Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ok but you're going to have to go through this thought process when I flip town anyways so can you just humor me and think about it today

[Kaguya Houraisan]

uhhhhh if you flip town then

Spoiler: Votes

VC 1.16

Ichirin Kumoi

[4]:

Reisen Udongein Inaba, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Yuuka Kazami

Kagerou Imaizumi [2]:

Daiyousei,

Tenshi Hinanawi

Koishi Komeiji

[2]:

Sanae Kochiya

,

Eternity Larva

Daiyousei [1]:

Marisa Kirisame

Clownpiece [1]:

Ichirin Kumoi

Not Voting [3]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

2 Days, 7 Hours [Frozen]

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!
  
• Marisa Kirisame is in V/LA until 16th.

VC 1.17

Ichirin Kumoi

[E-2]:

Reisen Udongein Inaba, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Yuuka Kazami,

Kaguya Houraisan

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Daiyousei,

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Eternity Larva

Koishi Komeiji

[1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Daiyousei [1]:

Marisa Kirisame

Clownpiece [1]:

Ichirin Kumoi

Not Voting [2]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

2 Days, 7 Hours [Frozen]

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!
  
• Marisa Kirisame is in V/LA until 16th.
  
• Clownpiece is currently being replaced.

VC 1.18

Ichirin Kumoi

[3]:

Reisen Udongein Inaba, Clownpiece, Yuuka Kazami

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Daiyousei,

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Eternity Larva

Koishi Komeiji

[1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Daiyousei [1]:

Marisa Kirisame

Not Voting [5]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

, Kagerou Imaizumi,

Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!
  
• Marisa Kirisame is in V/LA until 16th.
  
• Deadline has been extended. This will be the last deadline extension for this day.

VC 1.19

Ichirin Kumoi

[4]:

Yuuka Kazami, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Reisen Udongein Inaba

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Daiyousei,

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Eternity Larva

Koishi Komeiji

[1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Daiyousei [1]:

Marisa Kirisame

Not Voting [4]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

,

Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!
  
• Marisa Kirisame is in V/LA until 16th.
  
• Deadline has been extended. This will be the last deadline extension for this day.

VC 1.20

Ichirin Kumoi

[E-2]:

Yuuka Kazami, Kagerou Imaizumi, Reisen Udongein Inaba, Clownpiece, Marisa Kirisame

Kagerou Imaizumi [3]:

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Eternity Larva

, Daiyousei

Reisen Udongein Inaba [1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Not Voting [4]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

,

Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

VC 1.21

Ichirin Kumoi

[3]:

Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

Kagerou Imaizumi [1]:

Daiyousei

Reisen Udongein Inaba [1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Koishi Komeiji

[2]:

Eternity Larva

, Kagerou Imaizumi

Sanae Kochiya

[1]:

Marisa Kirisame

Aya Shameimaru

[1]:

Clownpiece

Not Voting [4]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

,

Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!
  
• Music will continue when I’m not VCing with my phone

VC 1.22

Ichirin Kumoi

[4]:

Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

, Clownpiece

Koishi Komeiji

[2]:

Eternity Larva

, Kagerou Imaizumi

Kagerou Imaizumi [1]:

Daiyousei

Sanae Kochiya

[1]:

Marisa Kirisame

Aya Shameimaru

[1]:

Sanae Kochiya

Not Voting [4]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

,

Kaguya Houraisan

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

VC 1.23

Ichirin Kumoi

[E-2]:

Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Sanae Kochiya

,

Eternity Larva

Sanae Kochiya

[E-2]:

Marisa Kirisame, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Daiyousei,

Kaguya Houraisan

Not Voting [3]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

VC 1.24

Ichirin Kumoi

[E-2]:

Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Sanae Kochiya

,

Eternity Larva

Sanae Kochiya

[E-2]:

Marisa Kirisame, Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Daiyousei,

Kaguya Houraisan

Not Voting [3]:

Aya Shameimaru

,

Koishi Komeiji

,

Ichirin Kumoi

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

VC 1.25

Ichirin Kumoi

[Elimination]:

Yuuka Kazami, Reisen Udongein Inaba,

Tenshi Hinanawi

,

Sanae Kochiya

,

Eternity Larva

, Marisa Kirisame,

Koishi Komeiji

Sanae Kochiya

[E-2]:

Clownpiece, Kagerou Imaizumi, Daiyousei,

Kaguya Houraisan

,

Ichirin Kumoi

Not Voting [1]:

Aya Shameimaru

With

13

votes,

7

votes to Eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-03-19 17:30:28)

Mod Notes

• If you spot an error on the vote count, please let me know!

Kagerou looks kinda bad and I want to read there further

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Like it fits the pattern of "on when safe, off when not safe" type distancing

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ok, would like to hear more about that, I think they actually look somewhat unaligned from Eternity's side

Pedit interesting take, I'll try to reread in that light. I feel like Eternity was sort of pressuring them a lot

Do you think scum might have an extra kill?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Ok, would like to hear more about that, I think they actually look somewhat unaligned from Eternity's side

Pedit interesting take, I'll try to reread in that light. I feel like Eternity was sort of pressuring them a lot

I haven't re-read the game so I wouldn't know

Do you think scum might have an extra kill?

I don't think it's impossible, especially given the factors of:

• Superstar Vigilante shot meaning she's forced to claim the kill instead of silently sniping two obvtowns the same night
  
• Tenshi shot being in the danger zone of Flipped Town + Not really a POE shot + Can still be argue'd to be a half-decent shot which is where most scum vig shots come from. Town vig shots tend to either be straight POE, really good, or outrageously bad

[Sanae Kochiya]

Can you elaborate on the SuperStar vig shot bit? Not sure I get it

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Can you elaborate on the SuperStar vig shot bit? Not sure I get it

Kagerou is mod confirmed to be

Marisa

so any vig shot can be assumed to be coming from there cause of Master Spark

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Which would balance the swinginess of an extra scum kill by forcing it to be an at least vaguely town aligned shot

[Sanae Kochiya]

Right, keep forgetting about that

Kagerou can you elaborate on why you thought Tenshi was so scummy / worthy to be vigged?

[Sanae Kochiya]

It's the exact opposite of a town-aligned shot to me

[Marisa Kirisame]

I think Kaguya always flips wolf here?

Ya think?

Aya Marisa Koishi Reisen never vote
Kagerou likely town probably never voting
in my gut I feel Daiyousei is town
Yuuka and Sanae aren't wolves together.
Kaguya is leftover

I think Reisen is very towny but why is she in the "never vote" category? (I totally wasn't going to make a post about a Larva/Marisa/Clownpiece/Reisen/Kagerou "never vote" block before Larva flipped. Nuh uh.)

I agree Daiyousei is gut town.

[Marisa Kirisame]

I think Kaguya always flips wolf here?

Ya think?

Aya Marisa Koishi Reisen never vote
Kagerou likely town probably never voting
in my gut I feel Daiyousei is town
Yuuka and Sanae aren't wolves together.
Kaguya is leftover

I am a touch confused about the Reisen read but that's okay? I am willing to be sold

ok tbf Reisen isn't even as close in townieness as you aya and marisa
but I townread their posting on a basic level, Reisen just seems town

Okay that makes sense, I had the same thing about them. But they are not in a "never vote" category for me.

[Marisa Kirisame]

Kinda think Yuuka as scum would be positioned well enough to not have to go through the effort of rereading a whole bunch of yesterday including rvs. But also I don't really see her getting any solid conclusions from her reread so far (top of page 138), and I'm not sure what's the point then. Still a townlean but I'd not resist a vote on them I guess.

[Sanae Kochiya]

I do kinda feel like Yuuka was on the sidelines while end-of-day yesterday went down, and that's sort of where I'd expect scum to be

[Marisa Kirisame]

I think Koishi's 1391 looks a lot worse, especially knowing Ichirin is town

Nope, I don't see it at all! What I do see though is that both of your only scumreads last day phase are confirmed town now, and this is not a good look,

UwU

Those were my reads. They may have been wrong but they were my reads at the time

What are your reads now? How confident are you on me and Clownpiece-Chan being town?

[Marisa Kirisame]

I would be at least slightly depressed if clown was scum too.

If my bestie (who's been replaced by an identical bestie) was scum, I would cry!

[Sanae Kochiya]

Clownpiece pretty confident
You've dropped some, but probably below him and above the
Yuuka/Reisen/Kaguya tier

Probably something like

Aya/koishi -> mechanics
Clown
Dai
You
Kagerou
Kaguya/yuuki
Reisen

[Marisa Kirisame]

Why are you townreading Clown? And why are you scumreading Reisen?

[Marisa Kirisame]

One: Scum probably have safe claims from the mod

It's not even a safe claim since Marisa's already implicitly confirmed it's an SDM theme'd hood, you just have to tweak what your spellcard does

Oh, true.

Also ew. The SDM hood has Marisa and Patchouli and not Sakuya or Remilia? What is this PT, "Scarlet Devil Library Time"?

Nope! I'm actually one of the Scarlet sisters

[Sanae Kochiya]

Old!Clown has been incredibly townie
New!clown I don't townread as much but there's a lot of carryover from old!clown

Also they're sort of obstinate in a townie way

I remember almost nothing about Reisen, don't see anything to townread, no anti-scum associatives from Eternity, and vote-parking on Ichirin is sort of exactly where I expect scum to be

[Marisa Kirisame]

vote-parking on Ichirin is sort of exactly

where I expect scum to be

Yuuka was on the sidelines while end-of-day yesterday went down, and that's sort of

where I'd expect scum to be

Elaborate on this?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Where

exactly

do you expect scum to be?

[Marisa Kirisame]

Also what exactly caused me to drop off? Be as precise as you can please.

[Sanae Kochiya]

I kind of went through this already and said this, but sure

I'm town so I'm trying to understand/see where scum were EoD - they didn't especially have any motivation to do, like, anything, which makes me think scum were sort of content to sit on the sidelines and watch this play out - Yuuka fits this description to me, as does Kaguya and Kagerou to an extent

Reisen wasn't really here end of day but vote parking on a non-controversial townie that most of the game is ok with limming also makes a lot of sense for scum behavior

For you once I'm kinda townreading aya/Koishi (or willing to accede they might be town on mechanics, whatever), that sort of re-evaluates the whole read hierarchy, so if they went up everyone else moved down by default as there's fewer places to scum to be

I'm not really changing how I evaluate yoir behavior yourself so much reassessing where you fit into the broader picture with putting them into the town bucket

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Right, keep forgetting about that

Kagerou can you elaborate on why you thought Tenshi was so scummy / worthy to be vigged?

Sure can !

Basically it's no secret that i already was scumreading Tenshi, for reasons that i could gather up if you want

her EoD also seemed extremely non-commital? Like, saying a lot of stuff and it's contrary, which was the spot where i expected scum to sit, especially considering she was apparently a bit exhausted at that time (me too) it just didn't fit in my eyes

I also like, didn't recall mentions of outstanding towniness about Tenshi from other people so it made me feel good about the shot at least shrinking down the PoE's size

And there also was a bit of hoping i would get the honors of actually having been correct on the wagon i tried to push through earlier in the game