Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Sanae Kochiya]

What exactly do you want me to ask

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?

[Sanae Kochiya]

Ok

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Also if you need to use magic supremacy to use spellcards ask if getting roleblocked would still use up the spellcard since the order should be

Use Magic Supremacy -> Use Spellcard

and to my understanding if Magic Supremacy gets blocked the command to use a Spellcard shouldn't go through so the standard "Getting blocked uses up a shot" rule shouldn't be in play

[Sanae Kochiya]

Fwiw this is all, like, somewhat non-obvious from my rolecard and I didn't even realize there's a difference between using a spellcard (which is apparently what me choosing to use a spellcard js) and activating a spellcard (which is when the spellcard fired)

My present understanding is that I used a spellcard
But it didn't activate

I do not know what caused it to not activate

But yeah, I'll ask. I'm not 100% clear on the relationship between magic supremacy and the spellcards

(I'm also not sure why you think I'm lying ahout all of this, or why you're asking me to ask the mod if you think I am anyways)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

(I'm also not sure why you think I'm lying ahout all of this, or why you're asking me to ask the mod if you think I am anyways)

This is me extending a hand instead of going "ur scum i don't gotta listen to you". If there's a theoretical set of actions where what you're saying can happen then I'll put in the effort to actually read you

[Sanae Kochiya]

I picked a spellcard
Which is powered through magic supremacy

It did not activate
My understanding of what this means is that magic supremacy got roleblocked

I have asked the mod and will report back when I get answers

That's all I have to say about it now, and I think you should be forming reads on something other than mechanics though

[Koishi Komeiji]

..you just now asked the mod?

[Sanae Kochiya]

No, I already played 20 questions, and the above was my understanding afterwards

(Like I've said already, a few times)
But I will ask the above exact questions

[Sanae Kochiya]

Idk but something happened and my role didn't go through, and I'm not the reason for it

To my understanding both the "Active: kill yourself to skip MP" and "Spellcard: spend 3MP to IC and then treestump" are two different 1-shots. Are you saying you have 0 shots of both of these right now?

To clarify becauss I think I missed this n

These aren't two separate abilities, they're both listed under magic supremacy, which describes how I accrue MP and how I can use those to use spellcards.

I don't think the first should be thought of as is a one-shot, but rather a description of something I can do - normally using a spellcard costs X MP, but if I want I actually can use spellcards without enough MP, it just has the unfortunate side affect of causing me to die once it activates

One of the spellcardd I have, philosopher's stone, costs 3MP. I do not have 3MP

I tried to use it anyways -> I was expecting to die once it activated because I do not have enough MP

It did not activate, and the effect did not fire, and I did not die -> something interfered with it working

Does that help

[Sanae Kochiya]

What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?

Regular spellcards I can just use

The things that cost more than 1MP (high level version, two at once, philosopher's stone) I have access to via magic supremacy. If magic supremacy gets blocked for some reason, those things won't work

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?

Regular spellcards I can just use

The things that cost more than 1MP (high level version, two at once, philosopher's stone) I have access to via magic supremacy. If magic supremacy gets blocked for some reason, those things won't work

To clarify, is it:
Use magic supremacy -> magic supremacy uses spellcard
or
Use spellcard + simultaneously use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing

[Sanae Kochiya]

What's the difference / I don't know what you're asking

I feel like I keep saying the same thing.

I tried to use a spellcard that's enabled through magic supremacy. The magic supremacy ability was blocked/disabled/didn't work somehow, so even though I tried to use a spellcard, the spellcard didn't activate and none of the effects happened. If magic supremacy hadn't been prevented from working, my understanding is that the spellcard would have worked

Like what are you looking to get out of this

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What's the difference / I don't know what you're asking

The difference is that since the spellcard shot got used in the standard "you tried to use it so it gets used up even if you got roleblocked":

• Use magic supremacy -> magic supremacy uses spellcard implies that either you got hit by an effect that specifically roleblocks spellcards or GIF has the wack interpretation that blocking magic supremacy in that scenario would still count as an attempted use (it's wack because that'd also imply that a spellcard shot would get used up if Person A tried to use an effect that forces Person B to use a spellcard but Person A gets roleblocked so it fails but still uses up the spellcard shot of Person B for some reason)
  
• Use spellcard + use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing would let what you're claiming happen if someone either completely roleblocked you or roleblocked just your actives (a la Tenshi style)

[Sanae Kochiya]

What does 'use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing' mean

[Koishi Komeiji]

Bird the game is stagnating on the vine, and I don't think crows like dead rotten fruit nearly as much as health juicy berries, what's your timeline?

[Sanae Kochiya]

This ^

[Kaguya Houraisan]

What does 'use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing' mean

1. You use the spellcard
   
2. The spellcard checks if magic supremacy has enough MP:
   1. If magic supremacy has enough MP, the spellcard deducts the MP and the spellcard succeeds
      
   2. If magic supremacy doesn't have enough MP, attempt to trigger the "Die to get MP" function and go to i.
      
   3. If that fails, the spellcard fails due to lack of MP

[Aya Shameimaru]

Hi, I'm here again more today, and planning to make some insights about where my head is at, if I can focus energy on this long enough.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Whereas "You activate magic supremacy -> magic supremacy triggers spellcard" would be:

1. You activate magic supremacy with the command "attempt to use X spellcard"
   
2. Magic supremacy checks if you have enough MP
   1. If you have enough MP, magic supremacy deducts the MP and triggers the spellcard
      
   2. If you don't have enough MP, magic supremacy attempts to kill you to get the MP and goes to i.
      
   3. If that fails, magic supremacy/spellcard fails

The nuance being that magic supremacy is infinite use instead of X-shot while Spellcards are 1-shot, so the order that happens is what should be determining whether the spellcard shot gets used if magic supremacy gets blocked (since if magic supremacy goes first then it getting blocked means the command to even attempt to use the spellcard shouldn't go through and therefore shouldn't use the spellcard shot)

[Marisa Kirisame]

V/LA until Wednesday

I'll try to read the things that have been written if I have a few spare minutes tomorrow, but I probably won't be able to post meaningfully until Wednesday. I do want to give Sanae's posts consideration though when I am able to.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Hi, I'm here again more today, and planning to make some insights about where my head is at, if I can focus energy on this long enough.

I know sometimes you prefer to talk to me, if you want to use me as a conduit then speak up. I expect one of us to die tonight, soooo yeah.

[Koishi Komeiji]

Aya, now's the time to catch me if you're gonna get wings a-flappin.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'll try to re-read tomorrow, Sanae you planning on flashwagoning someone today or are you just waiting to die

[Yuuka Kazami]

Slept all day.

Kaguya making sure I understand you here, you’re saying that you think their activation of different facets of their role don’t make sense if they were blocked?