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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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What exactly do you want me to ask-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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In post 3743, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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Also if you need to use magic supremacy to use spellcards ask if getting roleblocked would still use up the spellcard since the order should be
Use Magic Supremacy -> Use Spellcard
and to my understanding if Magic Supremacy gets blocked the command to use a Spellcard shouldn't go through so the standard "Getting blocked uses up a shot" rule shouldn't be in play-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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Fwiw this is all, like, somewhat non-obvious from my rolecard and I didn't even realize there's a difference between using a spellcard (which is apparently what me choosing to use a spellcard js) and activating a spellcard (which is when the spellcard fired)
My present understanding is that I used a spellcard
But it didn't activate
I do not know what caused it to not activate
But yeah, I'll ask. I'm not 100% clear on the relationship between magic supremacy and the spellcards
(I'm also not sure why you think I'm lying ahout all of this, or why you're asking me to ask the mod if you think I am anyways)-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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This is me extending a hand instead of going "ur scum i don't gotta listen to you". If there's a theoretical set of actions where what you're saying can happen then I'll put in the effort to actually read youIn post 3754, Sanae Kochiya wrote: (I'm also not sure why you think I'm lying ahout all of this, or why you're asking me to ask the mod if you think I am anyways)-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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I picked a spellcard
Which is powered through magic supremacy
It did not activate
My understanding of what this means is that magic supremacy got roleblocked
I have asked the mod and will report back when I get answers
That's all I have to say about it now, and I think you should be forming reads on something other than mechanics though-
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Koishi Komeiji Goon
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..you just now asked the mod?-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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No, I already played 20 questions, and the above was my understanding afterwards
(Like I've said already, a few times)
But I will ask the above exact questions-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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To clarify becauss I think I missed this nIn post 3721, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
To my understanding both the "Active: kill yourself to skip MP" and "Spellcard: spend 3MP to IC and then treestump" are two different 1-shots. Are you saying you have 0 shots of both of these right now?In post 3703, Sanae Kochiya wrote: Idk but something happened and my role didn't go through, and I'm not the reason for it
These aren't two separate abilities, they're both listed under magic supremacy, which describes how I accrue MP and how I can use those to use spellcards.
I don't think the first should be thought of as is a one-shot, but rather a description of something I can do - normally using a spellcard costs X MP, but if I want I actually can use spellcards without enough MP, it just has the unfortunate side affect of causing me to die once it activates
One of the spellcardd I have, philosopher's stone, costs 3MP. I do not have 3MP
I tried to use it anyways -> I was expecting to die once it activated because I do not have enough MP
It did not activate, and the effect did not fire, and I did not die -> something interfered with it working
Does that help-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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Regular spellcards I can just useIn post 3751, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:In post 3743, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?
The things that cost more than 1MP (high level version, two at once, philosopher's stone) I have access to via magic supremacy. If magic supremacy gets blocked for some reason, those things won't work-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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To clarify, is it:In post 3760, Sanae Kochiya wrote:
Regular spellcards I can just useIn post 3751, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:In post 3743, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: What happens if you try to use a spellcard without using magic supremacy? And if you can use a spellcard without magic supremacy what happens if you don't have enough MP?
The things that cost more than 1MP (high level version, two at once, philosopher's stone) I have access to via magic supremacy. If magic supremacy gets blocked for some reason, those things won't work
Use magic supremacy -> magic supremacy uses spellcard
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Use spellcard + simultaneously use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing-
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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What's the difference / I don't know what you're asking
I feel like I keep saying the same thing.
I tried to use a spellcard that's enabled through magic supremacy. The magic supremacy ability was blocked/disabled/didn't work somehow, so even though I tried to use a spellcard, the spellcard didn't activate and none of the effects happened. If magic supremacy hadn't been prevented from working, my understanding is that the spellcard would have worked
Like what are you looking to get out of this-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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The difference is that since the spellcard shot got used in the standard "you tried to use it so it gets used up even if you got roleblocked":In post 3762, Sanae Kochiya wrote: What's the difference / I don't know what you're asking- Use magic supremacy -> magic supremacy uses spellcard implies that either you got hit by an effect that specifically roleblocks spellcards or GIF has the wack interpretation that blocking magic supremacy in that scenario would still count as an attempted use (it's wack because that'd also imply that a spellcard shot would get used up if Person A tried to use an effect that forces Person B to use a spellcard but Person A gets roleblocked so it fails but still uses up the spellcard shot of Person B for some reason)
- Use spellcard + use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing would let what you're claiming happen if someone either completely roleblocked you or roleblocked just your actives (a la Tenshi style)
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Sanae Kochiya She/herGoonShe/her
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What does 'use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing' mean-
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Koishi Komeiji Goon
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Bird the game is stagnating on the vine, and I don't think crows like dead rotten fruit nearly as much as health juicy berries, what's your timeline?-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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In post 3764, Sanae Kochiya wrote: What does 'use magic supremacy to prevent the spellcard from failing' mean- You use the spellcard
- The spellcard checks if magic supremacy has enough MP:
- If magic supremacy has enough MP, the spellcard deducts the MP and the spellcard succeeds
- If magic supremacy doesn't have enough MP, attempt to trigger the "Die to get MP" function and go to i.
- If that fails, the spellcard fails due to lack of MP
- If magic supremacy has enough MP, the spellcard deducts the MP and the spellcard succeeds
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Hi, I'm here again more today, and planning to make some insights about where my head is at, if I can focus energy on this long enough.-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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Whereas "You activate magic supremacy -> magic supremacy triggers spellcard" would be:- You activate magic supremacy with the command "attempt to use X spellcard"
- Magic supremacy checks if you have enough MP
- If you have enough MP, magic supremacy deducts the MP and triggers the spellcard
- If you don't have enough MP, magic supremacy attempts to kill you to get the MP and goes to i.
- If that fails, magic supremacy/spellcard fails
- If you have enough MP, magic supremacy deducts the MP and triggers the spellcard
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Marisa Kirisame she/her pleaseGoonshe/her please
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V/LA until Wednesday
I'll try to read the things that have been written if I have a few spare minutes tomorrow, but I probably won't be able to post meaningfully until Wednesday. I do want to give Sanae's posts consideration though when I am able to.-
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Koishi Komeiji Goon
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I know sometimes you prefer to talk to me, if you want to use me as a conduit then speak up. I expect one of us to die tonight, soooo yeah.In post 3768, Aya Shameimaru wrote: Hi, I'm here again more today, and planning to make some insights about where my head is at, if I can focus energy on this long enough.-
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Koishi Komeiji Goon
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Aya, now's the time to catch me if you're gonna get wings a-flappin.-
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Kaguya Houraisan Goon
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I'll try to re-read tomorrow, Sanae you planning on flashwagoning someone today or are you just waiting to die-
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Slept all day.
Kaguya making sure I understand you here, you’re saying that you think their activation of different facets of their role don’t make sense if they were blocked?Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!
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