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2.07

Votecount 2.07

Ranger (E-2): Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Thomith, PenguinPower, Gypyx
Naerys (2): Ranger, Titus
Titus (1): Naerys
Thomith (1): Snow2697

Not Voting (4): Oblivion, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Lycanfire

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-06 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[KayJayQueue]

Ranger, vote Naerys with me

Isn’t she already?

[KayJayQueue]

Ranger, vote Naerys with me

Isn’t she already?

The VC wasn’t updated when I posted this lol

[Snow2697]

I felt somewhat better about Ranger, but I did not like and understand her vote into Naerys.
Titus is added to my suspects list for her vote into Naerys, while she thinks that I am scum. I don't think that Naerys and myself can be fellow scums.
So, everyone from the hood are my suspects now. I currently think that the worst is
VOTE: Thomith

Why am I the worst?

Please explain why not. If you are active, but do not look for scums? If you TR Gypyx and say that she actively solves the game (she does not)? if you and Gypyx are in virtually all wagons? If you do not explain why Jackson (killed BTW) is wrong when he said there is PR hunt here (to say "there isn't" is not enough)?

Gypyx is no. 2.

Titus and Ranger - what puzzles me is that they suspected people in the hood, but voted outside. So they are close.

[Lycanfire]

Saturday was the end of the period at work for me and being over Easter has kicked my ass a little.

I got through page 3 on my first break (man gotta eat)

-Naerys brought us out of RVS early. People did stop to talk about the speed of the wagon on Snow.

I like Dave just from 49, 58 right now. He wasn't afraid to buck the trend and start a random wagon, and his follow up seems pure (didn't seem invested in moving discussion away from Oblivion's theory). Not detecting an agenda here.


Thomith came off as fake solvy in 53, 64, and their interaction with Oblivion in post 52 was interesting. Any opinions here, S+S, T+S, T+T?


Naerys probably doesn't long quote Oblivion in 78 if partners just to give attention to Oblivion's weird level of confidence and to disagree.

More when I get home

[Thomith]

I felt somewhat better about Ranger, but I did not like and understand her vote into Naerys.
Titus is added to my suspects list for her vote into Naerys, while she thinks that I am scum. I don't think that Naerys and myself can be fellow scums.
So, everyone from the hood are my suspects now. I currently think that the worst is
VOTE: Thomith

Why am I the worst?

Please explain why not. If you are active, but do not look for scums? If you TR Gypyx and say that she actively solves the game (she does not)? if you and Gypyx are in virtually all wagons? If you do not explain why Jackson (killed BTW) is wrong when he said there is PR hunt here (to say "there isn't" is not enough)?

Gypyx is no. 2.

Titus and Ranger - what puzzles me is that they suspected people in the hood, but voted outside. So they are close.

To claim that I was PR hunting, but not be able to point out where is also not enough.

I have also been taking steps to solve, through figuring out who is outside my PoE/who I believe town are, so to claim I'm not looking for scum is also false.

[Thomith]

Saturday was the end of the period at work for me and being over Easter has kicked my ass a little.

I got through page 3 on my first break (man gotta eat)

-Naerys brought us out of RVS early. People did stop to talk about the speed of the wagon on Snow.

I like Dave just from 49, 58 right now. He wasn't afraid to buck the trend and start a random wagon, and his follow up seems pure (didn't seem invested in moving discussion away from Oblivion's theory). Not detecting an agenda here.

Thomith came off as fake solvy in 53, 64, and their interaction with Oblivion in post 52 was interesting. Any opinions here, S+S, T+S, T+T?

Naerys probably doesn't long quote Oblivion in 78 if partners just to give attention to Oblivion's weird level of confidence and to disagree.

More when I get home

How am I coming across as fake solvey?

[KayJayQueue]

Is the plan for today that we vote inside the neighborhood, no matter which player it is? What is the consensus of everyone here on that? Should we be focusing on those 5 players or is there a realistic chance someone outside that group could be limmed(and is this a good strategy)? It feels like it’s nearly a forgone conclusion that at least one of the five is scum.

I believe I know Gypyx would say absolutely inside the 5 because she thinks 2-3 are bad. Actually it seems like Gypyx, Thom and snow all prefer to lim inside the neighborhood. I believe Hu Tao is going to stay on Ranger. RN is going to stay on Ranger because he won’t be here for 3 days. I’m trying to think if there’s even a possibility of another lim going through other than Ranger here since we need 7 votes.

This is all to say, my vote is still tentatively going on Ranger if I’m not convinced by her arguments once she’s caught up. Not necessarily because I think she’s the scum of the 5, but because I honestly don’t know who it’s most likely to be and her wagon has the most support. Maybe that’s too sheepish of me, but I don’t have a strong enough read to confidently choose someone to lim right now so I’m following others’ leads. I’ll also say that I’m really interested in what snow is saying, and I’m getting town vibes from his latest contributions. However, the neighborhood dynamics still elude me a bit so my reads on those 5 might be a little too influenced by all the neighborhood talk when I should be concentrating on what I can see with my own eyes.

[Hu Tao]

I think ranger is gonna be the Elim

[Titus]

I think ranger is gonna be the Elim

Acceptable but not preferred. Dave was sus and Ranger's reads (mostly) are bad. I would prefer to work with bussing though.

[Gypyx]

why are you voting together with Ranger then titus

[geraintm]

It feels like a.lot of bad faith voting going on at the moment.

I just can't work out who

[Titus]

why are you voting together with Ranger then titus

Because I have more faith in Naerys being scum. However if no traction in a bit, I will move. Shocked how static the game is.

[Gypyx]

I felt somewhat better about Ranger, but I did not like and understand her vote into Naerys.
Titus is added to my suspects list for her vote into Naerys, while she thinks that I am scum. I don't think that Naerys and myself can be fellow scums.
So, everyone from the hood are my suspects now. I currently think that the worst is
VOTE: Thomith

Why am I the worst?

Please explain why not. If you are active, but do not look for scums? If you TR Gypyx and say that she actively solves the game (she does not)? if you and Gypyx are in virtually all wagons? If you do not explain why Jackson (killed BTW) is wrong when he said there is PR hunt here (to say "there isn't" is not enough)?

Gypyx is no. 2.

Titus and Ranger - what puzzles me is that they suspected people in the hood, but voted outside. So they are close.

Unless you are litterally in a 1:4 hood you do realize you're probably wrong on some people then right?

[Ranger]

I felt somewhat better about Ranger, but I did not like and understand her vote into Naerys.

I am second-guessing the idea of Gypyx-scum. This also comes with a need to second-guess Thomith as scum, too.

Given the potential for the main pushers to be town and for the main pushed to be town, I would expect scum to be among those not trying to shift the gamestate.

Naerys tops the charts in that category. She’s not pushing her votes, despite allegedly being dissatisfied.

I consider that +scum.

[Ranger]

Titus and Ranger - what puzzles me is that they suspected people in the hood, but voted outside. So they are close.

Perhaps I should clarify.

I initially was suspicious of Gypyx.
I initially was separately suspicious of Thomith.

I was further suspicious of their in-neighborhood interactions being that of scumbuddies. The idea of traitor + groupscum screamed TMI, with me believing one to be the traitor and the other, groupscum.

However, I am second-guessing my initial thoughts.

I have no preconceived notion there must be scum in the neighborhood. It wouldn’t at all surprise me if an Alianna twist in the game is an all-town neighborhood with the

expectation

of scum within having been subverted.

I believe we should be scumhunting off of reads, not setup speculation from a mod known to subvert and twist Normal expectations.

When I had suspicion on two members of the neighborhood, I was pushing within.

With my doubts, I think it better to push my main scumread rn, who happens to be outside the neighborhood.

[Titus]

There are so many inactives/not voting that I'm worried. It may be all active players got around to Dave scum but slots like Snow are more obvious since Ranger subbed in. Maybe it's budding from Ranger.

[Titus]

*Snow and Naerys

[Ranger]

Is the plan for today that we vote inside the neighborhood, no matter which player it is?

Not if you want to hit scum.

[quote=KayJayQueue post_id=14145090 post_num=957 time=1712013958 user_id=37365
It feels like it’s nearly a forgone conclusion that at least one of the five is scum. [/quote] That’s certainly the standard.

I refuse to opt into following it blindly and turning off brains.

I’m trying to think if there’s even a possibility of another lim going through other than Ranger here since we need 7 votes.

Always. As long as town remain open-minded and are present, there’s no elimination impossible.

Assuming there isn’t any possible alternatives is pure laziness.

We’ve had two fresh replacements.

That’s two fresh sets of eyes.

We’ve four days remaining.

That’s plenty of time.

The question isn’t if it’s possible.

The question is why hasn't it already happened, despite the potential.

[Ranger]

I think ranger is gonna be the Elim

Certainly, if you continue an adamant refusal to nourish critical thinking.

[Ranger]

Acceptable but not preferred. Dave was sus and Ranger's reads (mostly) are bad. I would prefer to work with bussing though.

There’s a Flaw in your logic, Titus.

[Ranger]

It feels like a.lot of bad faith voting going on at the moment.

I just can't work out who

Certainly. Your stances are among the bad faith ones.

[Ranger]

There are so many inactives/not voting that I'm worried.

It’s almost like the scum have no reason to interrupt the town in the middle of them making a mistake.

[Thomith]

I low key kind of want to pivot to Snow..

[Gypyx]

There are so many inactives/not voting that I'm worried.

It’s almost like the scum have no reason to interrupt the town in the middle of them making a mistake.

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

messing with you a bit of course but broad gamestate analyses like that can kinda be twisted to say anything