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[Gypyx]

I low key kind of want to pivot to Snow..

Aye to that

[PenguinPower]

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

it can also mean town is on the wrong track and scum have no incentive to derail

[PenguinPower]

i really just want the nonvoters to do something today

[Gypyx]

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

it can also mean town is on the wrong track and scum have no incentive to derail

Yeah exactly like, my point is that it doesn't mean anything on it's own

agreed with penguin too, this lack of passion is extremely sad to bear witness to

[Lycanfire]

Okay sorry I have all the time in the world and coffee right now let's go

How am I coming across as fake solvey?

Because you were being very matter of fact. Timing and how you use your voice matters.

That's why I care very much about the interactions between Naerys-Oblivion-yourself. Scums tend to be uncomfortable at the beginning of a game, and the less you have to work with the more you have to fake it. The feeling of needing to have a valid opinion

only

comes from scum this early on. I didn't like how quicky we left RVS.

[Thomith]

Okay sorry I have all the time in the world and coffee right now let's go

How am I coming across as fake solvey?

Because you were being very matter of fact. Timing and how you use your voice matters.

That's why I care very much about the interactions between Naerys-Oblivion-yourself. Scums tend to be uncomfortable at the beginning of a game, and the less you have to work with the more you have to fake it. The feeling of needing to have a valid opinion

only

comes from scum this early on. I didn't like how quicky we left RVS.

Why so you dislike how fast we left RVS?

[Lycanfire]

RVS is a stage where everyone hand shakes that it doesn't really matter so people produce content with little concern of game direction. The direction can change on a dime, and everyone is okay with that. The low stakes give you a breadth of content for you to pick and pull apart. Scum want towns to fight early on, so they will attempt to end RVS early and force a town fight. It's +scum to end RVS early, because it hurts town cohesion.

Let's look at where we left it:

folks on speedwagon:gypyx,thomith,titus,geraintm,wisp
mhm

This didn't have to be the departure point. There's a universe where people just talk snark and continue. But we have Thomith/28, Naerys/31, Oblivion/44,46, Dave/45, Thomith/47,53,59 Oblivion/48 (my brain reacts very negatively to this post but it's probably because of writing style), Dave/58, Thomith/64, Gypyx/67, Kayjay/70, Dave/71/ Thomith/74. . Penguin and Gypyx are involved for pushing the other direction, but you can tell they don't actually give a shit so in a way they're continuing RVS.

This dominated the game state, so we can conclude RVS ended at post 27.

[Oblivion]

It can't decide which of the replacements arguments it dislikes more. The issue is Ranger gives the vibe of "I am smarter than you I'm the best I can escape anything" and it notes they are being more open to those who may hold their fate. It can't tell if the ego is normal for them or if it is scum bravado for living due to lack of mental model.

Lycanfire's arguments just don't seem to go anywhere. It sees a lot of words with no real end point. Ending RVS is +scum? In what world?

[Oblivion]

Oh and it also wants to point out that the only alteration in its writing style from other players posts in general is the use of its pronouns, so it is a little bothered by "reacting so negatively but it must just be the writing style" to be perfectly honest. =/

[Ranger]

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

Last I checked, towns on the right track don’t stall.

They either push through with scum giving up, or face strong resistance because scum aren’t.

Towns stalling is the hallmark of a town which

thinks

it’s on the right track, and scum deliberately not correcting them.

I'd like to reiterate there’s no counterwagon to me.

How often does a lack of counterwagon indicate scum are being wagoned?

To be sure, not 0%; scum do occasionally give up, and demoralized scum make no effort to fight the loss.

I'd wager statistically speaking, no counterwagon is because the wagoned player is town. By a vast statistically significant majority. Over 80% of cases.

[Ranger]

Last time i checked stalled gamestate means town is on the right track and scum don't wanna cooperate

it can also mean town is on the wrong track and scum have no incentive to derail

Precisely.

Why are you helping the scum with their goal?

[Ranger]

i really just want the nonvoters to do something today

Perhaps they'd have incentive to if it's not universally accepted I’ll be the elimination?

Perhaps dissuading the notion would be beneficial to achieving your desire?

Perhaps you'd care to assist in forcing their hand?

[Ranger]

agreed with penguin too, this lack of passion is extremely sad to bear witness to

Again, a town on the right track isn’t passionless.

A lack of passion is when they

aren’t

in the right ballpark.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: naerys

i've been swayed.

[Ranger]

The issue is Ranger gives the vibe of "I am smarter than you I'm the best I can escape anything" and it notes they are being more open to those who may hold their fate.

Do not confuse playstyle with alignment.

I am

very

snarky when I’m wagoned, because I know my alignment and know those who see me as scum are wrong.

I gloat my way to the dead thread saying I did warn them.

I am open to everyone; I engage those who happen to have the most material to engage with.

I do make the strategic decision to talk most with those typically most active, because they are more likely to provide feedback.

These all have no bearing on alignment.

For that, you can refer to what I am doing and my visual lack of scumbuddies.

It can't tell if the ego is normal for them

Not ego, justified confidence.

I can be wrong about my reads.

There’s one player I for sure know the alignment of and I’m confident she’s town.

[Oblivion]

Are....you always this self absorbed? It wants to vote you just for being annoying, frankly.

[Lycanfire]

Ranger talking about Ranger is pretty typical. If they start calling themselves a god of scumplay, though, that's when they might have a red pm.

Ranger I'm at page 13, what about you? I have notes if you want em.

[Oblivion]

Your arguments are worse than LycanFire's. It is staring at the epitome of "just trust me bro" but it's worse than that because you have this over inflated sense of self importance.

It can easily see possible scum partners for you.

It does not think "justified confidence" is different than egotism, in this case. Especially since your response to being told you appear to have a large ego is to go "it's not ego if I'm just right all the time".

Can you at least pretend you are solving and not trying to use your status on the website as a cudgel to achieve what you want? It really doesn't like how you are approaching anything.

[Lycanfire]

If my arguments are bad that's one thing. Do you get anything alignment indicative out of it? There's more than one angle to view a post, and I think my contribution do have value.

[Oblivion]

Ranger talking about Ranger is pretty typical. If they start calling themselves a god of scumplay, though, that's when they might have a red pm.

Ranger I'm at page 13, what about you? I have notes if you want em.

This does not inspire confidence.

[Oblivion]

If my arguments are bad that's one thing. Do you get anything alignment indicative out of it? There's more than one angle to view a post, and I think my contribution do have value.

It has no mental model for you and worse, when you make fallacious arguments as you have it cannot begin to tell whether you make them with an agenda, with no agenda, or simply because you believe them.

It is becoming more and more exhausted the more of both you AND Ranger it reads, because both of you inspire in it a strong desire to murder you simply so that it does not HAVE to engage with your styles of play.

[Lycanfire]

Why are you exhausted by my posts? I'm acting in good faith here, and just expect the same treatment back. Can you give it another go?

[Alianna]

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