Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 6)

[Thomith]

FWIW as town or scum I think the Rational wagon is such an easy one for scum to jump onto, either for Town credit for bussing, or just an easy wagon without much accountability afterwards. I want to reread that wagon specifically at some point I think.

When was there a wagon on Rational?

Plus a fair few early game votes/unvotes from memory

[Black]

I think it's noteworthy that Gibdo seems reluctant to vote for Hu Tao but he apparently had no issue voting for Rational for relatively weak reasons. In 710 he says he's refraining from voting for Hu because he's not confident but I'm having a hard time believing he was confident in his Rational read

Not only is he reluctant to vote for Hu but now he is chainsaw defending her

[Black]

Calling Hu/Rational/Gibdo for post game cred

[Thomith]

I think it's noteworthy that Gibdo seems reluctant to vote for Hu Tao but he apparently had no issue voting for Rational for relatively weak reasons. In 710 he says he's refraining from voting for Hu because he's not confident but I'm having a hard time believing he was confident in his Rational read

Not only is he reluctant to vote for Hu but now he is chainsaw defending her

I have thoughts but don't want to put words into Gibdo's mouth.

[Black]

Thomith where are your reads at currently

[Thomith]

Thomith where are your reads at currently

All over the place I'm struggling to get into this game.

I townread Dann.

I townread ming I think because their "OMGUS" suspicion on Rational did seem like he was trying to solve.

I think Rational may be town because of the amount of resistance he is receiving, but that could be a personality thing which makes me less sure.

I disliked Elements early but feel better about them more recently I think.

I dislike CCS and Nick.
Goofball needs to do more.

I think Dann/Gibdo are probably the same alignment based on how they interacted earlier in Day 1 (I'll find the post where I explained this before)

If Hu Tao is scum maybe Salty is town because of the early scum read Hu Tao had there?

[Elements]

I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

As lothe as I am to do this, I think Rational would do that about a read on anyone. And similarly with the angst at your vote. Anyone getting to e-3 I get the feeling he would've reacted the same way

VOTE: Hu

[Thomith]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I thought I explained this but I guess I didn't.
I feel like with how Dann explained playing with Gibdo before, and how Gibdo explained playing with Dann before, it felt like they gave quite significant and exact examples, where if one was scum and the other was town, maybe they try less to defend based on a meta read, to allow them to pivot more easily later, without it looking as weird.

[Thomith]

Yeah this wagon grew fast I'm scared.

[Elements]

Yeah this wagon grew fast I'm scared.

What was your read on hu again?

[Thomith]

Yeah this wagon grew fast I'm scared.

What was your read on hu again?

I struggle to read Hu Tao, so she was sitting at null, but after reading Black/Danns reasoning for suspecting Hu Tao, and rereading the vote on Kay/Unvote on Black, I agreed that it looked suspicious, so this changed to a SL.

[Thomith]

I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

As lothe as I am to do this, I think Rational would do that about a read on anyone. And similarly with the angst at your vote. Anyone getting to e-3 I get the feeling he would've reacted the same way

VOTE: Hu

If anything, Rational threw a bigger fit when I was at E-3

[Thomith]

The point being, I feel like if you think Rational/Hu have partner equity, you probably should look into the idea that myself/Rational potentially also do, Black.

[DrippingGoofball]

I will lead this Town to a surefire victory if you would all just follow me.

K
Hnmmm that's something scum would say.

Aren't you sheeping him?

I change my mind with new evidence, as everyone should.

[Thomith]

I will lead this Town to a surefire victory if you would all just follow me.

K
Hnmmm that's something scum would say.

Aren't you sheeping him?

I change my mind with new evidence, as everyone should.

What changed? Was it just this post?

[RationalMadman]

I am getting a lot of town vibes from HT

HT is actually a direct Townread by me rn

I think this has partner equity with Hu if she flips scum. Something is bothering me about this correction, like he wanted to make sure everyone knew that it wasn't just town vibes, it's a firm townread, just in case he ever flips scum and people go looking for his partners in his hedgy reads

I also didn't like the way he had a mild heart attack when I joined the Hu wagon

What the hell? I never said I Townread HU all game, I clarified it. Why the fuck would I want people to care what I read if I am scum and flip it? Even if I am scum that would have absolutely nothing to do with who my partner is. It would be said to gain trust from those reading it.

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

[Elements]

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

What was your reason?

[Elements]

Damn it
I said to myself I wouldn't engage

[Elements]

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

What was your reason?

Please disregard

[RationalMadman]

Calling Hu/Rational/Gibdo for post game cred

Right sure you are.

That's 1 out of 3 at best, I am very sure of that. They have no partner dynamics going on, you're just insinuating from Gibdo not voting HT.

[RationalMadman]

As Town there are many reasons to clarify a direct Townread that you hadn't Townread yet all game.

What was your reason?

To make it clear to everyone your read has shifted when you were literally asked about someone that there's no reason to hide it as Town unless the reason is a PR reads Vs vanilla.

[RationalMadman]

VC 1.08

Thomith (4):

DrNickRiviera 114, camelCasedSnivy 475, Dannflor 477, Elements 483

RationalMadman (3):

Gibdo 292, awesomeming327 412, Grovyle in a Fedora 417

SaltiestCactus23 (1):

Hu Tao 241

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

SaltiestCactus23 23

awesomeming327 (1):

RationalMadman 266

KayJayQueue (1):

DrippingGoofball 287

DrNickRiviera (1):

KayJayQueue 415

Not Voting:

Thomith 110

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

VC 1.08

RationalMadman (3):

Gibdo 292, awesomeming327 412, Grovyle in a Fedora 417

camelCasedSnivy (3):

Thomith 585, Dannflor 586, Elements 589

Thomith (2):

DrNickRiviera 114, camelCasedSnivy 475

SaltiestCactus23 (1):

Hu Tao 241

Grovyle in a Fedora (1):

SaltiestCactus23 23

awesomeming327 (1):

RationalMadman 266

KayJayQueue (1):

DrippingGoofball 287

DrNickRiviera (1):

KayJayQueue 415

Not Voting:

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

Dannflor added onto this or Elements did to make it 4 votes on me at one point. I think Elements had unvoted and Dan did it but honestly DP1 wagons don't tell much especially with wagon addicts like elements and damn on them. It's the most overrated scumreading method ever. DP2 wagons matter, DP1 ones lead to misreads.

[RationalMadman]

Awesomeming is scum. That's the most sure read of this game.

[RationalMadman]

Anyone else?

maybe I’d look closer at grovyle too, idk

Why not awesomeming?

[RationalMadman]

What if we just voted Goofball for doing nothing

Goofball has done more than elements and dann who just trollvote all wagons. He's voting scum with me.