Mini 2331 - Touhou UPick: Anonymous Edition (Game Over)

[Yuuka Kazami]

So, you’re saying that you’re looking at who you’re town reading for reasons to change your mind?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Or the opposite.
Loopy.

Why would you not feel bad about voting Kaguya?

[Yuuka Kazami]

Why are you looking at Kagerou first Reisen?

Cuz I could easily vote kaguya and not feel that bad about it. Also kinda think kagerou is just town. So I guess I’m looking for a reason to townread you via kagerou in a way? If I’m wrong that’s where I’m wrong so that’s where my focus is.

I’m less worried about your read of me than I probably should be. Tbh.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Okay, so you’re checking to make sure it’s not kagerou/Kaguya(?).

[Aya Shameimaru]

I am checking for that world too tbh Yuuka.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I don't like viewing this as a chess match here. There's deduction but we should not act like a chess match in melo/elo without solid information. Everyone should be considered.

It's not a chess match metaphor, it's a natural human move vs unnatural engine move metaphor

[Kaguya Houraisan]

- Anti-fishing town indicative

When the anti-fishing is anti-fishing their own role no not really

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I am checking for that world too tbh Yuuka.

Help me bus Kagerou

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Why are you looking at Kagerou first Reisen?

Cuz I could easily vote kaguya and not feel that bad about it. Also kinda think kagerou is just town. So I guess I’m looking for a reason to townread you via kagerou in a way? If I’m wrong that’s where I’m wrong so that’s where my focus is.

Why am I scum

[Yuuka Kazami]

I am checking for that world too tbh Yuuka.

Initial post got lost. : X.

Generally it’s a possibility. On the surface I don’t really see it, because just as a rule of thumb it makes more sense for Kaguya to try to kill Kagerou here and now. I see Reisen:Kaguya as most likely in terms of scum pairings. While I struggle to see Kagerou as paired with anyone.

I guess kagerou is heading my way? Maybe, I’m not sure if they meant to say it, but they heavily implied they wouldn’t post much today and would try in elo. Which, solo, would not be an option for them.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Oh I'm actually a viable lim today here.

Annoying cause in that case winning is only easy if Kagerou is town

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Wow this is actually really fucking annoying

If Kagerou is town I have to find her and that's probably not happening

If Reisen is town she has to find me and that's probably not happening

If Yuuka is town she needs to find the Reisen/Kagerou ties and that feels a lot iffier right now than it was earlier

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Kagerou can you case the Yuuka/Reisen world?

Yuuka why isn't Kagerou/Reisen a thing?

Reisen why am I scum?

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Kaguya, if you're town, there's something that should give you pause on me. Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

You talk a lot about strategic moves and that one doesn't make sense.

It also doesn't make sense not to resort Riesen here.

I'm agreeing with Yuuka as of now, but far from locked in. Yuuka/Riesen can also be a thing. Tbh, I can see Reisen with anyone.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

I'm also concerned by the lack of consideration of Marisa here minorly.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

I townread Dai pretty heavily, what was even the case there? Actually probably doesn't matter compared to how likely Dai was to getting limmed. I'm phoneposting rn, what were the Dai stances before the shot?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm also concerned by the lack of consideration of Marisa here minorly.

I don't get what this means

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Scratch that last one. Marisa's dead.

[Kagerou Imaizumi]

Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

I townread Dai pretty heavily, what was even the case there? Actually probably doesn't matter compared to how likely Dai was to getting limmed. I'm phoneposting rn, what were the Dai stances before the shot?

Dai fmpov had none and all the dead suspected Dai so maybe I'm not the best judge. I didn't hear a single reason to townread Dai.

I think Dai was killed to frame me tbh rather than Dai's reads.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

The thing that's tricky about the Dai shot is that scum would know Marisa was a town Flandre. Frandre has the spellcards

• Forbidden Barrage "Catadioptric"
  
• Q.E.D. "Ripples of 495 Years"

which can both be flavored as an Aya style redirect given that those spellcards have her ricocheting shots off the edges of the screen to hit you. Given that she mentioned she hasn't used her shot yet and also mentioned wanting Aya to get shot there's a very real possibility scum thought she'd redirect an Aya/Koishi shot.

In that case the Dai kill would seem to be a standard "Dai is townread and Aya/Koishi are off limits, make the kill there" type shot

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Though this would still point to whoever Marisa scumread being scum, which would be Yuuka/Reisen?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

I townread Dai pretty heavily, what was even the case there? Actually probably doesn't matter compared to how likely Dai was to getting limmed. I'm phoneposting rn, what were the Dai stances before the shot?

Dai fmpov had none and all the dead suspected Dai so maybe I'm not the best judge. I didn't hear a single reason to townread Dai.

As in what were peoples stances on Dai, not the other way around

[Yuuka Kazami]

Though this would still point to whoever Marisa scumread being scum, which would be Yuuka/Reisen?

It was you/Reisen.

I was third.
I think.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Kaguya, if you're town, there's something that should give you pause on me. Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

You talk a lot about strategic moves and that one doesn't make sense.

It also doesn't make sense not to resort Riesen here.

I'm agreeing with Yuuka as of now, but far from locked in. Yuuka/Riesen can also be a thing. Tbh, I can see Reisen with anyone.

Already sunk your credibility tbh.
But yes, it did undercut you.
I’m not sure if that was a benefit or not.
I didn’t benefit from it simply because I’m town.
It did benefit Kaguya though.
But the scum team also held out on killing Koushi/Aya for awhile.

[Yuuka Kazami]

Dai had a mound of evidence against them (even though Dai was town). Why would scum!me shoot my main suspect with one elimination to go effectively ruining my credibility?

I townread Dai pretty heavily, what was even the case there? Actually probably doesn't matter compared to how likely Dai was to getting limmed. I'm phoneposting rn, what were the Dai stances before the shot?

Dai fmpov had none and all the dead suspected Dai so maybe I'm not the best judge. I didn't hear a single reason to townread Dai.

I think Dai was killed to frame me tbh rather than Dai's reads.

To be fair, if you don’t read the thread you will not hear any arguments, period.