Yes. But why does a dysfunctional town make it harder to sort them from those early posts?In post 5948, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:Most of those posts were D1 where town was completely disfunctional, D2 onwards it's a ghosttown activity-wiseIn post 5939, Yuuka Kazami wrote: *speechless*
Oh come on. They have 230 posts and a “tee hee I thought I was dead” comment.
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Kagerou are you saying that the proper play yesterday was to leash Marisa yesterday?
Is that really the correct one without the value of hindsight? Our negotiating position is largely, “if you don’t kill who Koshi/Aya says today or let it play out how we want you to” we’ll kill you tommorrow.
But What about a sacrifice play or the Marisa scum team had a shot(or some ability like it) or Marisa just goofed as scum because they were sick and forgot to push it through?
In retrospect, yes. I should have realized, that the wagon went through too easily, more people than usual were present and could push it through.
Marisa probably even sick would not have popped it and then forgot to vote immediately. There was a lack of tension there.
But not claiming it before hand was…sigh.
And, of course saying they had an objective guilty on me was also sigh.
I dunno. From my perspective there wasn’t a very high chance they were town faking a guilty on me and I didn’t think they were bluffing with that pop of an ability plus misreading their own ability, I know that people have had trouble interpreting their abilities, but that one in their role pm was pretty explicitly worded. It wasn’t easily missed.
So, very weird.
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Ngl, I find it brilliant play in a town Reisen world for Kaguya to play this way.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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If scum Marisa did push a lim through, she died tomorrow unless she bussed. All quadvotes are disabled in melo/elo (mod quoted it somewhere) so scum couldn't have won the game there.In post 5951, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Kagerou are you saying that the proper play yesterday was to leash Marisa yesterday?
Is that really the correct one without the value of hindsight? Our negotiating position is largely, “if you don’t kill who Koshi/Aya says today or let it play out how we want you to” we’ll kill you tommorrow.
But What about a sacrifice play or the Marisa scum team had a shot(or some ability like it) or Marisa just goofed as scum because they were sick and forgot to push it through?
In retrospect, yes. I should have realized, that the wagon went through too easily, more people than usual were present and could push it through.
Marisa probably even sick would not have popped it and then forgot to vote immediately. There was a lack of tension there.
But not claiming it before hand was…sigh.
And, of course saying they had an objective guilty on me was also sigh.
I dunno. From my perspective there wasn’t a very high chance they were town faking a guilty on me and I didn’t think they were bluffing with that pop of an ability plus misreading their own ability, I know that people have had trouble interpreting their abilities, but that one in their role pm was pretty explicitly worded. It wasn’t easily missed.
So, very weird.
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Why?In post 5952, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Ngl, I find it brilliant play in a town Reisen world for Kaguya to play this way.awoooo !-
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In post 5936, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Honestly, at the current pace winning a 1v1 with kagerou would also be trivial.In post 5915, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Sitting at Kaguya = Reisen > Kagerou.
I have to figure this out. /:-
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Because if scum are sitting at 0 risk the entire day 1 then they don't need toIn post 5950, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
Yes. But why does a dysfunctional town make it harder to sort them from those early posts?In post 5948, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:
Most of those posts were D1 where town was completely disfunctional, D2 onwards it's a ghosttown activity-wiseIn post 5939, Yuuka Kazami wrote: *speechless*
Oh come on. They have 230 posts and a “tee hee I thought I was dead” comment.do anything. They can just naturally post in the same way town are posting and I'm not capable of reading alignment off of that-
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It feels like you're arguing from a position that's assigned to you rather than analyzing.In post 5955, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:In post 5936, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Honestly, at the current pace winning a 1v1 with kagerou would also be trivial.In post 5915, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Sitting at Kaguya = Reisen > Kagerou.
I have to figure this out. /:
Riesen's off limits. Why?
We must be in a 1 v 1. Why?
Yuuka feels like an afterthought. Why?
Fmpov, I know one of you must be scum. There's a remote chance you both are (unlikely). There's no harm in looking at every setup.awoooo !-
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If she thought she'd be at risk of getting limmed that day then quadvoting and trading like that to let her teammate play for 3p would be optimal compared to not doing that, getting limmed, and her partner having to play 5p soloIn post 5953, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: If scum Marisa did push a lim through, she died tomorrow unless she bussed. All quadvotes are disabled in melo/elo (mod quoted it somewhere) so scum couldn't have won the game there.-
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All of those being suboptimal would imply the team is exactly Yuuka/Reisen, this is a hard world for me to acceptIn post 5957, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
It feels like you're arguing from a position that's assigned to you rather than analyzing.In post 5955, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:In post 5936, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Honestly, at the current pace winning a 1v1 with kagerou would also be trivial.In post 5915, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Sitting at Kaguya = Reisen > Kagerou.
I have to figure this out. /:
Riesen's off limits. Why?
We must be in a 1 v 1. Why?
Yuuka feels like an afterthought. Why?
Fmpov, I know one of you must be scum. There's a remote chance you both are (unlikely). There's no harm in looking at every setup.-
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btw Kagerou what did you get from Burglary-
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It's not clear to you, but I seem to have a genuinely bad time reacting to Kagerou's posts. Most of what they post sets me off. If they spam tomorrow with this level of content today. Then likely they will end up being my vote out of sheer exasperation.In post 5955, Kaguya Houraisan wrote:In post 5936, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Honestly, at the current pace winning a 1v1 with kagerou would also be trivial.In post 5915, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Sitting at Kaguya = Reisen > Kagerou.
I have to figure this out. /:
If they're inactive tomorrow you can convince me, I'm slow to persuade but I am persuadable. It's unusual though. All you really have to do to beat me as town in elo is keep me occupied talking to you instead of trying to solve. It works fairly well. Even when I'm on guard against it.
@Kagerou, don't know if you missed it, but Aya dictates who dies today. Do not vote anyone until they vote. Unless you're scum, in which case, please vote someone right now. It's a really good idea.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I realize that Kagerou is capital W weird. Normally this would be a very easy decision based on how they entered this day phase and the end of last day phase.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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How does Kagerou talk about optimal play last day phase and then come into this day phase voting me out the gate.
How.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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In post 420, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
i'll admit, my Kaguya read is based a lot on her early posting, right now it's a little less interesting but not actively scummy either, i'm happy keeping her where she isIn post 403, Marisa Kirisame wrote:
How confident are you about your reads? Because I have an offer for you if you are not that confident. Wait! *gasp*In post 385, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: Making a readlists cause reading the thread is not working out
Spoiler:You called your top tier "besties"! I love it! High fiveeeeee!
But if you are going to call Kaguya your bestie, please explain to me why! I want to have the same friends as you!
So, to tell the full story that's this post that's made me townbin her at first
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It's this combination of confident / self-centered / interrogative / focused that tickles my brain
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I think this is a post from a very towny frame of view for instance, both in the way she's criticizing my townread of her (ie not saying that i'm wrong but not really eager to buy it either)
The indirect tone also view of genuienly trying to recall how it went, and not like, her potentially having a scum PT right in front of her to take example from
and also i know that sounds dumb but like
town points for claiming townIn post 408, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: I'm townIn post 421, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: anyways my current vote pool is daiyousei / tenshi / AyaIn post 439, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
it would be so funny if i didIn post 436, Yuuka Kazami wrote:
You get a pass for a day phase, but if you suddenly start pushing near the end of the day and they don’t flip scum I’m tunneling you.In post 434, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
teeheeIn post 432, Yuuka Kazami wrote: And what path is that? ~_~
you're really making me wanna do it YuukaIn post 553, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: actually hmmm
one thing i find weird is how Marisa didn't include Tenshi in her vote pool
VOTE: Tenshi
-could probably go deeper on this post but just calling someone town because they claimed town is a super town thing to do
- in general you’d expect scum to throw a bone and put a partner in here. But I think this ties in with the last quote in regards to tenshi.
-more for yuuka being prophetic and then just not following through.
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I'm not voting and I'll be out this weekend.
My order (from scum to town)
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Kaguya
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Their wording implies that they would have tried to to leash Marisa if given the chance, but when they posted they didn't discourage anyone going after Marisa or take the reins in regards to Marisa's play that day phase, they were just like, "Oh wow that's interesting, excuse me everyone I'll just be over here, figuring out what my role does!"Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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I can be logical and forget things at the same time. Logic is only as good as the input, which is why I welcome being checked.In post 5964, Yuuka Kazami wrote: How does Kagerou talk about optimal play last day phase and then come into this day phase voting me out the gate.
How.awoooo !-
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I had zero expectation of a speedlim.In post 5967, Yuuka Kazami wrote: Their wording implies that they would have tried to to leash Marisa if given the chance, but when they posted they didn't discourage anyone going after Marisa or take the reins in regards to Marisa's play that day phase, they were just like, "Oh wow that's interesting, excuse me everyone I'll just be over here, figuring out what my role does!"
I wanted to understand myself before even having an opinion.awoooo !-
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Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.-
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You weren't expecting a speedlim when both conftown decided Marisa was scum and people were like "speedlim Marisa before she comes back and quadvotes someone"?In post 5969, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote: I had zero expectation of a speedlim.
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What does forgetting have to do with an unexplained guilty in melo?In post 5968, Kagerou Imaizumi wrote:
I can be logical and forget things at the same time. Logic is only as good as the input, which is why I welcome being checked.In post 5964, Yuuka Kazami wrote: How does Kagerou talk about optimal play last day phase and then come into this day phase voting me out the gate.
How.
Even if I had said nothing about my passive that claims scum on visit, it's still the wrong play in every situation with the current information available to you.Oh, sunflower, so tired of time passing!-
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In post 5970, Reisen Udongein Inaba wrote: Yuuka this isn’t working I’m just townreading kagerou more.In post 5887, Kaguya Houraisan wrote: Reisen why am I scum?-
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So some things I like that haven’t been quoted but happened in between what I’ve reread in their iso.
The upwards progression on clown. They hit on some of the same thoughts I had towards clown at the time but were still willing to have a back and forth with them and ended up on the other side of their initial read. I think that’s what flipped my read on kagerou day 1 as well we just kinda had the same approach to slots. Clown specifically.
Also the reconsideration on ichirin. Because it doesn’t make sense for me that kagerou was willing to defend ichirin against multiple slots to then throw themselves in a 1v1 considering the paper trail.
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