Mini Normal 2334: trees (Day 5)

[DrNickRiviera]

RM could have done the scummiest thing imaginable to you Nick, but he didn't kill you, so scum don't need to more any more than they do ATM.

Let's not get ahead of yourself Hu.

What do you mean here Dan? In regards to me I mean

[ActionDan]

I mean you're not dead and clearly RM has a scumread on you. So... if say he attempted to do something to you with a pointedly scum role (like vanillazer or the like) I'm not holding it against RM.

[ActionDan]

I'm also saying don't out shit

[DrNickRiviera]

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I guess I'm just confused because you said the first chink in his armor happened almost 900 posts into the game. I'll admit I haven't read the first 30 pages so I'm not even sure if that's accurate fypov but to me that statement suggests you didn't consider he could be scum until then

I did, but wasn't really vocalizing it much and wanted to give Dann room to expose himself one way or another. So I get how it can seem like I wasn't really waffling the whole day, but internally I was.

But again, this whole discourse was me responding to Rational who said I was town reading Dann the whole day, which just isn't true

[DrNickRiviera]

I mean you're not dead and clearly RM has a scumread on you. So... if say he attempted to do something to you with a pointedly scum role (like vanillazer or the like) I'm not holding it against RM.

I am not worried about me not dying, or what he may or may not have attempted to do to me

I'm also saying don't out shit

What do you say to Rational who asked for investigative roles to out themselves? If he wants that, he should tell the class what he did last night.

[Black]

i kinda dont really care for doing more solving today honestly im in "flip something and we get info next day" mode and if i die i die and people just sheep my poe(hopefully)

This is where I am at(though with probably less solving lol), this D1 has been tough to follow and personally I feel a flip would help the game state

If you weren't gonna put Awesome at E-1 I was going to....so I guess this is an intent to hammer as well

Why did you declare intent to hammer and then go MIA for 21 hours until someone else hammered?

Like I think your progression from "I think one of Hu/Dann is scum" to "this might be tvt let me hammer ming" feels somewhat townie but the lack of follow through with the hammer ruins it all for me

[ActionDan]

@nick if RM is an investigate role encouraging all investigatives to share results, I wouldn't look twice. I do not care if that is the case

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

[DrNickRiviera]

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

This was in response to Black, if not clear

[DrNickRiviera]

@nick if RM is an investigate role encouraging all investigatives to share results, I wouldn't look twice. I do not care if that is the case

Think about that for a few more minutes......

And I am not being a dick here lol, I know how it seems

But just let what you said stew for a couple minutes

[ActionDan]

I understand the hypocrisy. This does not need to be explored further until much later

[Black]

VC 1.14

Hu Tao (4):

Dannflor 606, Grovyle in a Fedora 736, Black 792, Thomith 869

Dannflor (4):

Elements 997, camelCasedSnivy 1001, Hu Tao 1026, DrNickRiviera 1030

awesomeming327 (2):

RationalMadman 266, DrippingGoofball 594

RationalMadman (1):

awesomeming327 412

Not Voting:

Gibdo 604, ActionDan 1012

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline:

(expired on 2024-04-17 20:15:00)

Notes: Grovyle in a Fedora is V/LA until 4/14 8pm EDT

Lol, actiondan not AwesomeDan.

No, Dan is pretty awesome

I do not want to fade hutao before getting dripping camel and salty to get a little more content in

Good news, I'm not being faded this game

Do you not find it strange that while saying this, Awesomeing is trying to campaign for votes on you such as here? :

Dr nick, what are you thoughts on hu tao? You said before that you scumread her right

This is actually a good point. It does look like soft pushing for nick to vote me.

This is not my intention at all. The question was meant to be taken at face value.

I am quite literally back and forth on Hu, and also on Dann

I am beginning to fear that this is TvT with them though

Pre Edit: Hu, I have only experience with you on my main

I do think this by itself feels counter intuitive to what scum!Nick would be trying to achieve with his Dann vote. Unless the team is just ming/Hu/Nick, I think the only way scum!Nick moves off both wagons here is if he wanted the town cred. The problem is the lack of follow up with the hammer makes this entirely possible

[DrNickRiviera]

Also, ftr

I would not ask Rational to say what did last night if he didn't ask for all investigative roles to out themselves first

[DrNickRiviera]

i kinda dont really care for doing more solving today honestly im in "flip something and we get info next day" mode and if i die i die and people just sheep my poe(hopefully)

This is where I am at(though with probably less solving lol), this D1 has been tough to follow and personally I feel a flip would help the game state

If you weren't gonna put Awesome at E-1 I was going to....so I guess this is an intent to hammer as well

Why did you declare intent to hammer and then go MIA for 21 hours until someone else hammered?

Like I think your progression from "I think one of Hu/Dann is scum" to "this might be tvt let me hammer ming" feels somewhat townie but the lack of follow through with the hammer ruins it all for me

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

[Black]

VOTE: awesomeming327

I want to hear some really innocent-sounding arguments from awesomeming specifically regarding why he's reading Hu Tao as town and why he thinks "progression with dann is also good".

I made my post declaring intent at 820pm my time, the actual E-1 vote happened here, at like 430am my time.

Forgive me for being asleep and then having to focus on work when I woke up

Being a quack doctor takes up most of my time lol

That's fair. It looks like 99% of your posts are during the evening so this is believable

[Hu Tao]

I think nick is town

[RationalMadman]

VOTE: Thomith

[RationalMadman]

I know I said I wanted ActionDan Nick or elements, however I am willing to sucmread Thomith.

Thomith's voting pattern dp1 does seem like scum that first tried to divert away from awesomeming and caved in when Black voted.

[RationalMadman]

Dripping goofball does have a point though idk why black is more on that point than Elements is.

There was likely 1 bussing, I don't think I big both bussing.

[RationalMadman]

Buy*

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

lets get it VOTE: hu tao

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

Based off of vibes I feel like Dann/Gibdo are either both town or both scum. Leaning town right now though I think.

I could definitely see a world where Dann is scum with Gib as town(in theory), as I have said I feel good about Dann as town......but I don't think it is a lock they are both the same alignment, and nothing else

I promise I am not trying to fight everything you say just for shits and giggles lol

And yes, I think you asked before......I still think you are scum, but also am not hating the votes on CCS

4 days....but who's counting? You, that's who lol

Also, from earlier in D1, or as you would call it.....EOD right around the corner

Also, hi I am an alt....played a bunch with Dann...and Hu on my main. Slowly getting both their town games down, was seeing it early from Dann and somewhat from Hu, after 841 the real waffling started, especially after(I believe their fight started before that, could be wrong there) they butted heads....which as you can imagine I was very interested in.

So ya, we can argue when exactly my waffling started, but in my head it was for most of the day

I am not following your thought process at all. You also get some VIP privilege to hide your main from others which I assume is part of Normal Game conduct that we can't demand it.

If you had to name scum rn who would you name?

Also this isn't a good time for me. I can better give myself to this game in a couple days' time but even then I'm a bit busier irl depending which hours.

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

I think I agree that scum are trying to frame Hu. I don't really see Hu making that hit

this literally doesnt happen, i thought you were supposed to be one of the better scum players on the site?

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

I'm voting Dr Nick, Elements, ActionDan this DP.

If Black were scum, why changed rapidly after Dannflor did? That is not the logical scum move.

She made the wagon on awesomeming gain momentum as mucna s Dann did.

DrNick and Elements were voting Dannflor throughout. Only hammering awesomeming means nothing, elements gets absolute zero towncred for that one top of pussyibng out of admitting she put Dannflor in danger over Hu Tao and stuck on him over awesomeming when I called.her out on it. She outed as vanilla townie for no reason at all. DrNick similar issues with denying putting Dann under kill threat.

ok annoyingly i thought you were possibly scum bc i thought you were showing the signs of a scum hellbussing their teammate losing steam the dayphase right after but this is something i mindmelded on so its probably wrong. still have my eye on you

[Grovyle in a Fedora]

Idc what you want, I fully believe you're scum.

I am not naive either.

Scum killed Dannflor to partly frame those after him, that is patently obvious. However, who after Dannflor did everyone suspect? Hu Tao and CCS.

It was those 2 specifically being framed by aiming for him, meaning even another after him can be scum so long as the other was either unvoting (ActionDan) or on the Awesomeming bandwagon.

again, scum do not do "frame kills" unless they are actively throwing or already have a positive gamestate. either scum are too simple and go for obvious targets to silence them or they are big braining themselves while killing a threat.

killing random useless player is not scum MO ever and its a stupid first assumption to make when doing NKA. if you died with a scumread, would you assume that scumread was wrong? what if dann flipped last night, and instead you died overnight RM, would that point towards awesoming being framed? no thats silly. scum dont keep loud people around who are correct.

I think there are more reasons than his hu tao read that he was killed fwiw but I think "framing hu tao" is absolutely an absurd reason and its more likely hu tao is just red and a primary reason, because only dann was really yelling for hu tao's head last dayphase.