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What does getting a red role pm mean?-
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I think time. I still felt like a newbie months in thoughIn post 102, KayJayQueue wrote: Serious question to those who have played with me: when do I get to be considered no longer a newbie? Is it measured in time, games, annoyance level?-
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People thought this before I joined my first gameIn post 121, DrNickRiviera wrote:
I am still convinced you are an alt of someone from many moons agoIn post 119, Hu Tao wrote:
I think time. I still felt like a newbie months in thoughIn post 102, KayJayQueue wrote: Serious question to those who have played with me: when do I get to be considered no longer a newbie? Is it measured in time, games, annoyance level?
Also, curious on your thoughts about the elements/thomith/Madman dynamic-
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Take care of yourself loveIn post 136, KayJayQueue wrote: I’m also working a long ass 4-day weekend and I’ve worked 42 hours and had 5 hours of sleep since Thursday. And I will be working 18 hours tomorrow. I can guarantee I will be delusional if/when I post tomorrow.-
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I think elements may be town-
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This seems like an overreaction. But so much of an overreaction that it may not come from scumIn post 230, RationalMadman wrote: Outing role DP1 for no reason is antitown as fuck. Anyone who is not disgusted at that is just as bad unless they scumread it instead of assuming Town outed.
Oberbaalysing wagons is nonsense. Town unvote scum during DP1 wagons all the time and vice versa for joining wagons on Town. This is why later votes mean far more especially in clear this person vs that person dynamics. There, voting analysis begins to matter more.
Side note, very weird choice of words for Kayjayqueue to say driving a bus since that is solely used for one scum betraying a partner. Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.-
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No one I'd really standing out as a scumread so far I think this is the closest to one VOTE: salty-
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who are you? Why do you know me so well! How did you know I was townIn post 242, DrNickRiviera wrote:
I would tend to agreeIn post 239, Hu Tao wrote: I think elements may be town
As much as I hate this non-committal play.....coming from you I think it kinda makes you town hehIn post 241, Hu Tao wrote: No one I'd really standing out as a scumread so far I think this is the closest to one VOTE: salty-
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We could say the same about you, bucko!In post 249, camelCasedSnivy wrote: holy shit i didnt even realize saltiest cactus was in this game????
UNVOTE: Thomith
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I died LMFAOIn post 264, DrNickRiviera wrote:
What the fuck are you even on about here??In post 258, RationalMadman wrote:
No it's not. It doesn't warrant a modkill itself but I'd ban her from any of my games if I were a game mod here, for sure. That kind of play is vile and has no place in mafia.In post 240, Hu Tao wrote:
This seems like an overreaction. But so much of an overreaction that it may not come from scumIn post 230, RationalMadman wrote: Outing role DP1 for no reason is antitown as fuck. Anyone who is not disgusted at that is just as bad unless they scumread it instead of assuming Town outed.
Oberbaalysing wagons is nonsense. Town unvote scum during DP1 wagons all the time and vice versa for joining wagons on Town. This is why later votes mean far more especially in clear this person vs that person dynamics. There, voting analysis begins to matter more.
Side note, very weird choice of words for Kayjayqueue to say driving a bus since that is solely used for one scum betraying a partner. Not sure what to even think of it as it is such a brutal slip it cannot be a real one.-
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Join me onIn post 316, KayJayQueue wrote:
I have no suspicion on Hu currently. RVS vote just chilled a little too long I guess.In post 294, Elements wrote: @KayJay
I've just noticed you haven't moved your vote since page 13, is Hu now your biggest suspicion?-
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What's your read on me, Mr. Flor?-
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Thanks for ruining my reaction test, DannIn post 332, Dannflor wrote:
I think this is kind of a weird response given I know you're pretty comfortable entering the game as noncommittal and with no reads as scumIn post 321, Hu Tao wrote:
who are you? Why do you know me so well! How did you know I was townIn post 242, DrNickRiviera wrote:
I would tend to agreeIn post 239, Hu Tao wrote: I think elements may be town
As much as I hate this non-committal play.....coming from you I think it kinda makes you town hehIn post 241, Hu Tao wrote: No one I'd really standing out as a scumread so far I think this is the closest to one VOTE: salty-
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It was for nick ro see if he's actually trying to read me with meta or just fluffingIn post 335, Dannflor wrote: how is that a reaction test and for whom-
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Nokey*In post 338, awesomeming327 wrote: elements is lowkey cooking-
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Good thoughts. I'm thinking Dunn could be scum trying to eliminate me early. All 3 times he's been scum with me in the game he's been eliminatedIn post 348, KayJayQueue wrote: Because you respond better to being scumread than townread lol
Honestly though, you always sound convincing no matter your alignment so I can’t actually read you/your posts and feel confident either way. I like your opinion on Thom. I think I agree about Rational but unfortunately, their posts do overwhelm me a bit. I’m not sold yet on Grovyle. Cactus is null to me. I don’t have a read either way on Hu. I’ve never experienced scum!Hu so I don’t know if I’m overlooking something obvious.-
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I don't know who you are but you feel genuine. For now you can be townIn post 384, DrNickRiviera wrote:
Well for one, I can understand the post you made right after this one casing me as scum, or I mean I get where you are coming from.In post 343, Dannflor wrote:
can you describe this readIn post 248, DrNickRiviera wrote: I think Dann is solidly town here
And also vibes, this doesn't 'feel' like scumDann
I do disagree with you about Hu though, I know she plays somewhat similar as both alignments.....but her non committal stances here don't seem as forced as I have seen from her as scum.
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Then why not join me on salty?
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OMG have you played on epic mafia before????In post 396, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote: only people with brainworms from playing on epicmafia too much think that PRs are good because the setups there are built so swingy and PR reliant despite the winrate probably going up if people stop worrying about PRs as much-
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This vote surprises me from you. You may actually be scum
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Rational do you have an alt account?-
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This is an interesting response. Considering you said I'm scum, but this mindset implies I'm townIn post 431, Dannflor wrote:the last time you said i had such a “holy bad vote that i might actually be scum” i was town btw
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Okay. I think you're townIn post 443, RationalMadman wrote:
No I just get burnout and prefer other hobbies to Mafia. When I play it can go like this. It's not am emotionally rewarding game for me with Towns like this.In post 429, Hu Tao wrote: Rational do you have an alt account?-
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His outbursts and such I don't usually see from scum.In post 471, camelCasedSnivy wrote:if this is implying you townread RationalMadman, why do you townread him
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You're cookingIn post 479, RationalMadman wrote:
Why did you vote me and now Thomith? Looks opportunistic, trying to be the 3 or 4 of 7 seeing what sticks. Very strange.In post 477, Dannflor wrote: VOTE: Thomith
Thomith can you tell me which votes on Rational you think “stink” and why?-
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Idk Dann. You're being kinda suspicious right now. Does Boo Tao scare you~?In post 511, Dannflor wrote:
hu tao said that she thought I was scum trying to get her out early because in previous games where she was town and I was scum I had been eliminatedIn post 508, Thomith wrote: I'm not sure what the point of this post was?
which is like, factually true, but that also implies that I'm for some reason specifically afraid of hu tao "catching me," and I was dubious that hu tao would actually believe that-
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I've seen her be anti town as town before. But I don't really think she's being anti town hereIn post 523, RationalMadman wrote: I actually think Elements may be scum despite how obviously antitown she has been all day. I doubted it as she seemed to be trolling me as a VT troll but maybe she is just straight up scum intentionally asking me to explain everything over and over and over and over-
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I don't really get the rational votes here
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Dann I think if you were town you'd have a different reaction to how I'm reacting right now-
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AhahahahahaIn post 551, Elements wrote: Nooooooooo-
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WhyIn post 552, Dannflor wrote: I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town-
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I don't want to say yetIn post 548, Dannflor wrote: What do you think my reaction would be-
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I did a quick read and I still want to eliminate salty. I'm getting vibes there of scum. I'm also getting small pings from gibdo-
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Anyone not voting salty can they tell me why salty could be town?-
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Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.In post 558, Dannflor wrote:
Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at bestIn post 554, Hu Tao wrote:
WhyIn post 552, Dannflor wrote: I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town-
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I could just make something up if that was the caseIn post 559, Dannflor wrote:
okay, well, I just kinda think you're making that read upIn post 555, Hu Tao wrote:
I don't want to say yetIn post 548, Dannflor wrote: What do you think my reaction would be-
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Thoughts on gibdo?In post 562, Thomith wrote:
Haven't seen enough yet.In post 557, Hu Tao wrote: Anyone not voting salty can they tell me why salty could be town?
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Tbf RN wasn't reading the gameIn post 565, Dannflor wrote:
same reason I half wanted to eliminate Random Nurse, the innocent child, in our last gameIn post 563, Hu Tao wrote: Why would we want to eliminate him.-
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I usually see a scumread and lock in. But I don't have anything too strong right now. It's sad-
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Idk. He's town and possible a pr so I see no reason to eliminateIn post 570, KayJayQueue wrote:
I agree about not wanting to vote Rational but I definitely see a world where scum just continues to let him cause distractions that could cause TvT issues which I think may already be happening today. I don’t know. I just know if things turn toxic again, I might step back.In post 563, Hu Tao wrote:
Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.In post 558, Dannflor wrote:
Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at bestIn post 554, Hu Tao wrote:
WhyIn post 552, Dannflor wrote: I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town-
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Good to know. I take back the slight scumread om gibdo then.In post 574, Dannflor wrote:In post 437, Gibdo wrote: Dann and Elements (possibly can throw in Grovyle) are thinking almost exactly as I am, seem town enough for me for now
I haven't talked about gibdo yet but I think they lean town after these postsIn post 438, Gibdo wrote: I've played a few games with only Dannflor, and maybe I'm misremembering, but criticizing others' reads of him doesn't seem like his scum playstyle.
For context, Gibdo is an IRL friend I invited specifically to play this game. As far as I know he has no experience in forum mafia, his experience with me is relegated to a few face-to-face mafia games we played years ago.
- I think his attempting to pull some meta (no matter how outdated it might be) from those face-to-face games is probably indicative he's genuinely trying to solve me
- I think his statement that he's thinking almost exactly how 3 other players are thinking is somewhat unlikely to come from scum. I think that framing looks kind of blatantly sheepy and pockety and I think scum, especially scum that might feel a bit awkward about this format would be hesitant to avoid that
- above all I think Gibdo not really playing or even mentioning the newbie card at all and just throwing himself into figuring things out as he goes is indicative he's just interested in solving the game rather than looking town-
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I looked into them not too long ago and their posting seemed genuine. So I don't want them right nowIn post 576, Dannflor wrote: hu tao do you have a read on awesomeming-
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Unfortunately you cannot tell the difference between genuine or non genuine thenIn post 598, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:In post 556, Hu Tao wrote: I did a quick read and I still want to eliminate salty. I'm getting vibes there of scum. I'm also getting small pings from gibdo
i hate this thought flow it doesn't feel genuine to me and I probably should re-iso hu tao at some point and that point will be thursday goodbye chatIn post 563, Hu Tao wrote:
Who cares? He's obvious town. Why would we want to eliminate him.In post 558, Dannflor wrote:
Because I think Rational's posting is actively harmful to Town EV at worst and annoying/creating disengagement at bestIn post 554, Hu Tao wrote:
WhyIn post 552, Dannflor wrote: I empathize with Elements' Rational vote even though I think Rational is probably town
side note: i dont like the ccs wagon esp with elements on it, and I don't trust dann's logic for his reads so far (maybe he gets better with a flip though)-
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Unlucky. He is obviously townIn post 607, Dannflor wrote: I think the mentality behind 563 and the whole way Hu Tao has approached Rational and the wagon on Rational is scum indicative
I think Rational probably looks the most like untouchable obvious town to scum that are informed of his alignment. All of me, elements, Gibdo and Grovyle have voted Rational or expressed annoyance about Rational while also staying he might be town. We can’t all be scum, and I’d wager the majority of us, if not all, are uninformed of Rational’s alignment and are unable to just do a robotic “yep Rational obvtown time to ignore his posts”
also think she’d probably be more interested in searching for the scum pushing Rational if she indeed thinks Rational is obv town and any votes on him are ridiculous-
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As scum there is no reason to stop an easy miselim that could go on my partner instead day 1.In post 619, Dannflor wrote:
I largely agree, and I've gone back and forth on Rational a bit myselfIn post 608, Gibdo wrote: I mostly agree, but I'm not comfortable writing off Rational as obvious town. If he's experienced as he has repeatedly claimed, it's still very possible he's just causing a huge scene now to mitigate suspicions on him later.
Right now, I've settled on him likely being town but I've had doubts
I think Hu Tao is expressing an unnatural amount of confidence because she *knows* Rational is town-
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Just because you're town doesn't mean you're rightIn post 625, RationalMadman wrote: Hu Tao if you Townread me so surely, why not joing my vote on awesomeming?-
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This vote hurts the mostIn post 628, KayJayQueue wrote: Ugh I’m feeling very off about one person that I usually always feel good about so I guess for now I’ll just listen to that gut feeling.
VOTE: Hu Tao-
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I think this is scum camel. As town I remember him being different-
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Yes. Why would I do that? There is a difference between white knight and playing suboptimalIn post 645, Dannflor wrote:
You genuinely believe you have no motivation to white knight a slot like Rational D1 as scum? that scum don't like to call controversial "easy miselims" town for cred?In post 640, Hu Tao wrote: As scum there is no reason to stop an easy miselim that could go on my partner instead day 1.-
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Vibes. Seems to be solvingIn post 647, RationalMadman wrote:
Why do you townread awesomeming?In post 641, Hu Tao wrote:
Just because you're town doesn't mean you're rightIn post 625, RationalMadman wrote: Hu Tao if you Townread me so surely, why not joing my vote on awesomeming?-
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In my mind it is. What do you think?In post 656, awesomeming327 wrote:
This is certainly the "easy" answer but is it the right answer?In post 616, Hu Tao wrote:
Unlucky. He is obviously townIn post 607, Dannflor wrote: I think the mentality behind 563 and the whole way Hu Tao has approached Rational and the wagon on Rational is scum indicative
I think Rational probably looks the most like untouchable obvious town to scum that are informed of his alignment. All of me, elements, Gibdo and Grovyle have voted Rational or expressed annoyance about Rational while also staying he might be town. We can’t all be scum, and I’d wager the majority of us, if not all, are uninformed of Rational’s alignment and are unable to just do a robotic “yep Rational obvtown time to ignore his posts”
also think she’d probably be more interested in searching for the scum pushing Rational if she indeed thinks Rational is obv town and any votes on him are ridiculous-
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BetrayalIn post 670, DrNickRiviera wrote:
Except to vote CCS, or Thomith, or HuIn post 668, RationalMadman wrote: There is no use to delay the vote on awesomeming
Yes I have turned on Hu-
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What do you think of camelIn post 690, KayJayQueue wrote:
Yeah that’s what scares me most lolIn post 689, Dannflor wrote: look rational if i was scum and wanted to get town read by you, believe me, i could-
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TownIn post 691, awesomeming327 wrote:
I want to talk about the camelcasedsnivy wagon. While thomith gave a remotely viable reason, dann elements and hu tao dropped naked votes on camelIn post 654, awesomeming327 wrote: camel what are your thoughts on your wagonwithin a few posts of each other
and this concerns me because perhaps the only remarkable thing about camel's posts is how unremarkable they've been.
and then later dr nick also drops a naked vote
like what the hell guys am i just not in the loop is this some site meta i'm supposed to know about?-
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I'm starting to sus youIn post 696, KayJayQueue wrote:
Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.In post 694, awesomeming327 wrote: gibdo and salty are also very unremarkable posting
I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.-
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Yeah. Basically you scumread the people I've been pushing but still push me. I think you're scum hereIn post 698, KayJayQueue wrote:
Oh god I don’t know. Hu, salty, awesomeming/ccs? It could literally be anyone right now except Thom, Elements, and Rational - from my perspective.In post 697, DrNickRiviera wrote:
Be the change you want to be lolIn post 696, KayJayQueue wrote:
Honestly so am I. I’ve felt so disconnected from this game. I feel like a lot of the game is being dictated to me and not enough is me actually participating and developing reads.In post 694, awesomeming327 wrote: gibdo and salty are also very unremarkable posting
I’m really trying to figure out why I’m not feeling it and fix it.
Let's have a thought experiment
Gun to your head, who is the scum team
I will respond with mine as well-
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Me.In post 708, Elements wrote: I can get behind a KayJay vote if anyone wanted to start a wagon there
VOTE: kay-
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I think Kay has been basically going with the flow of the game. And being sus of whoever is being voted in the moment. I think that's why that leads to her scum list not really sounding good-
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