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[Gypyx]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

[Thomith]

we also have half the players who are already claimed now

let's do the other half

And that's still full of shit.

We should have mass-claimed yesterday. We'd have more claims and Scum would be locked into their claims.

This is me genuinely asking, as I'm still relearning the game again - last time in a game we massclaimed the day before ELo (which would potentially be today i think?).
Is this not the optimal time to mass claim? Why would it have been more beneficial yesterday than today? Are scum not also locked into their claims if we claim today?

Why were you so against it yesterday?

It would have been better to massclaim earlier because we'd have more information, and Scum would have less wiggle room to squirm away.

I wasn't against it yesterday. I wasn't arguing we shouldn't do it, I genuinely just didn't/don't know if it was beneficial or not.

[Lycanfire]

Elaborate on what you're thinking?

Whether they could actually think they're doing anything useful.

I'm trying to think of why they'd do this.

1a)town, knows about the guidelines. waste of time.
1b)town, doesn't know about the guidelines. maybe useful.
2a)scum, knows about the guidelines. full on refuge in audacity.
2b)scum, doesn't know about the guidelines. either 2a or pretending to be 1b.

[Lycanfire]

Odds of Enchant lolcatting because the scum PT is filled with posts such as "we need a mislim on gypyx or thomith OR we always take them to melo"? I can see this reveal or at least bothering the two of you in private to be an avenue to build suspicion.

Which would be a terrible use of the slot. Reeks of desperation and someone that would have only read the scum PT but not the game thread.

[Gypyx]

Elaborate on what you're thinking?

Whether they could actually think they're doing anything useful.

I'm trying to think of why they'd do this.

1a)town, knows about the guidelines. waste of time.
1b)town, doesn't know about the guidelines. maybe useful.
2a)scum, knows about the guidelines. full on refuge in audacity.
2b)scum, doesn't know about the guidelines. either 2a or pretending to be 1b.

I mean, there's some basis behind it, i've mentioned traitorspec in the hood before, and in normals, mafia know there's a traitor but not who it is

but also it's very troll and enchant doing it for a prolonged period of time just means scum imo

[Random Nurse]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

As Scum you would do this to avoid scrutiny and responsibility.

Silence will not help you I promise you that.

[Thomith]

Elaborate on what you're thinking?

Whether they could actually think they're doing anything useful.

I'm trying to think of why they'd do this.

1a)town, knows about the guidelines. waste of time.
1b)town, doesn't know about the guidelines. maybe useful.
2a)scum, knows about the guidelines. full on refuge in audacity.
2b)scum, doesn't know about the guidelines. either 2a or pretending to be 1b.

I mean, there's some basis behind it, i've mentioned traitorspec in the hood before, and in normals, mafia know there's a traitor but not who it is

but also it's very troll and enchant doing it for a prolonged period of time just means scum imo

Or was testing us to see if we were scum looking for a traitor, to catch us out if we did reveal, believing Enchant was actually a traitor.

[Thomith]

we also have half the players who are already claimed now

let's do the other half

And that's still full of shit.

We should have mass-claimed yesterday. We'd have more claims and Scum would be locked into their claims.

This is me genuinely asking, as I'm still relearning the game again - last time in a game we massclaimed the day before ELo (which would potentially be today i think?).
Is this not the optimal time to mass claim? Why would it have been more beneficial yesterday than today? Are scum not also locked into their claims if we claim today?

Why were you so against it yesterday?

It would have been better to massclaim earlier because we'd have more information, and Scum would have less wiggle room to squirm away.

I'm aware I'm potentially being dense, (tbh maybe this should be a discussion for post-game?) but why does massclaiming earlier = we have more information? wouldn't mass claiming after investigatives have had more nights give us more information?

[Gypyx]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

As Scum you would do this to avoid scrutiny and responsibility.

Silence will not help you I promise you that.

As a mafia player i'm doing this cause you're oversteping the line and i do not wish to play with someone who thinks willingly creating a toxic game environnement is an acceptable practice

[Random Nurse]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

As Scum you would do this to avoid scrutiny and responsibility.

Silence will not help you I promise you that.

As a mafia player i'm doing this cause you're oversteping the line and i do not wish to play with someone who thinks willingly creating a toxic game environnement is an acceptable practice

You think me trying to get reactions out of a player is toxic instead of Scumhunting? This game is built on getting reactions out if players—it doesn't matter if YOU think it's toxic or not because you're losing your cool.

[Psyche]

Not talking to Nurse anymore

think this is fine to commit to!

[Psyche]

had some reasons to townread titus that ill review but ive always thought she was a more likely ranger busser than oblivion

[KayJayQueue]

i would like Kay to claim first, think it's something everyone would be ok with?

I don’t mind, let me know if this is the preference/consensus.

[Psyche]

sure. and make sure to think through who you'll have claim next

[Psyche]

but go now or you'll look scummy

[KayJayQueue]

I’m open to suggestions.

[KayJayQueue]

but go now or you'll look scummy

Can I claim now but then decide who goes next after, I haven’t done this popcorn thing before (last time Hu Tao dictated the order of claims and I was lying anyway lol)

[Gypyx]

it's how popcorn works yeah

[Lycanfire]

I imagine that Gypyx would only choose you to go if she couldn't trust that Enchant could be serious in the hood. They will be a real drag on getting this done.

It would be nice if you didn't wait very long after any claim to choose the next person.

[KayJayQueue]

it's how popcorn works yeah

I just meant I don’t know if there’s a specific person that would be best to have claim after me.

I’m just a VT.

So is asking Enchant to claim pointless then? I should pick someone else?

[Lycanfire]

You could choose enchant and demand they claim in the thread. Otherwise we could get a delay where enchant insists they did so only for the homies to say no.

[Lycanfire]

Insists they did so (in the hood)

[Gypyx]

enchant made a claim in the sense that he said "yeah that would be my fakeclaim"

[KayJayQueue]

Well, yeah I’d like to pick Enchant and have them claim here.

[Lycanfire]

The optimal person you want to choose is scum because it locks them into their claim. That way they can't go "aha! I counterclaim that exact same role"