Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[Alianna]

1.14

Votecount 1.14

JacksonVirgo (2):

Firebringer

, Hu Tao
humaneatingmonkey (2): Eiralox, Umlaut
Umlaut (2): humaneatingmonkey, KayJayQueue
Eiralox (1): JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (1): GuyInFreezer

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-23 12:49:04).

[Alianna]

GuyInFreezer is being prodded.

[Firebringer]

This is exactly the happy contented guy that we should be looking at in a game where I feel it has been a struggle to grasp a read on everyone else.

Okay well i read his iso, and i think ur def mischaracterizing him doing nothing or having no progression or w/e,

[humaneatingmonkey]

This is exactly the happy contented guy that we should be looking at in a game where I feel it has been a struggle to grasp a read on everyone else.

Okay well i read his iso, and i think ur def mischaracterizing him doing nothing or having no progression or w/e,

how so?

[Firebringer]

Reads on Kay/your slot seem to have development to me.

if i wanted to go after someone for 0 development i would be gungho on GIF right now

[Firebringer]

i guess u could argue that even GIF has some development of reads. I just think GIF confidence seems a little more like trolly posts

[humaneatingmonkey]

Okay, but what did he really had on me to justify tunneling and parking his vote on me for 5 days and content on letting it linger until deadline? i don't call that development when he has had nothing on me but hasn't looked at anyone else even though his reads on me are just basically null? would you call that development?

[Firebringer]

i don't think we should have this argument. Since im not interested in defending umlaut, if u get him at E-1, Ill hammer him. I just am not very convinced of ur scum case is him being scummy vs him not being active right now to change or develop his read right now. I see some development in his early posting. I am not going to argue he is town because of it, i don't think its unfakeable or makes him townie enough to argue

[humaneatingmonkey]

man, i want to talk to you about my reads because (a) I'm sure you're town and won't manipulate me and (b) you disagree with me. you do realize that I'll have to convince the most influential guy in the room to convince other people to vote with me. if I'm not having this conversation with you, i don't think anyone would listen enough that I'll get him at E-1. i just want to be listened. you don't want to argue with me, fine, i can respect that. but it's very helpful that you listen to me and argue back, so at least i can also develop my read on Umlaut.

and to your concern: it's 5 days, man. and he has checked in here during those times to confirm that he's still okay with his position in the game, even calling it weird that i find it notable that he's still okay to vote me. i don't think it's a matter of him being active or not, but that he's just comfortable in the spot he found himself in. just saying that if I'm looking for scum in my wagon, i think umlaut is the best candidate for how he played around it.

[Firebringer]

I agree that Umlaut should be more active. I think that goes for most players. I don't see what those 5 days are unique to him. I can turn that around on most players here on the stagnation. They aren't all scum, so the stagnation can't be in of itself scummy, can it?

Sure, we can say he is comfortable where he is.
I wouldn't argue against that.

I also never seen Umlaut as a hyper active poster to begin with so that does go to my whole view that this isn't that out of ordinary

[humaneatingmonkey]

The question is: Why are we really stagnated? I don't think it's a coincidence that we have stagnated where we are - but I'm a bit biased because I know I'm town. I think there's a lot of scum-motivation for us to be stuck in the gamestate that we were especially if Eiralox is town as well.

Luka has been as active as they could in the time that they're here. So did I. So do you.
GIF is on V/LA, and so it's NAI.
I can understand why town!Eiralox would have parked their vote here - if they switched up, they're probably going to be the top wagon. And they scumread me anyway.
I can understand why town!Kay would have had a hard time having reads in this game - because that's also been me.
I can understand why town!Hu Tao would have chose to E-1 on all except on a townread.
I can understand why town!JV would be comfortable on Eiralox/HEM wagons because we are scum leans/reads.

It's really just Umlaut that I do not understand why they're playing the way they would if they were town. Town!Umlaut in this case have parked his vote on a read that could be summed up to null without taking a look at Eiralox despite them being in their pool. Why would that make sense?

[Hu Tao]

Uhh. I may or may not be here before deadline. Going to sleep now. I think my vote is better off putting someone at e-2 at this point. I should be able to check in about 9 hours from now. So if I need to hammer someone then I shall.

VOTE: Umlaut

[Eiralox]

Why. Are. There. Votes. On. Umlaut.

Vote Monke. Vote Freezer. End game plz.

[Eiralox]

[Eiralox]

I'll hammer Jackson to save Umlaut btw. Luka and Jackson parking their votes on vanity wagons part of the reason we didn't have momentum when we had scum at e-2.

[KayJayQueue]

Why exactly are you so sure you caught scum?

[Eiralox]

Why exactly are you so sure you caught scum?

It wasn't me who caught them, it was Luka and Umlaut.

I don't understand why you're voting Umlaut. Is it a content thing? Because he talks less = less value to the group? That's the push that monkey decided to pull last moment so if you have any other reason to think he's scummy please tell me.

[Eiralox]

Maybe I just go to my original read idk

VOTE: Eira

Just go for Umlaut right now. If he's town, what has he really done? He spent the last few days tunnelling me on basically what amounts to null reads? Where are his other reads? Oh yeah, a Kay scumread because she's hypersensitive or something? Yeah, he doesn't look good.

Wait I can’t handle being the one responsible for his elimination, I don’t think I really want him dead. Yet.

Hmm. I want to vote GIF, Eira or

VOTE: Umlaut

Because, to put it bluntly, if your vote is partly or wholly motivated by the above post then you are being majorly played.

The exact reason why I'm defending Umlaut is also why I'm now taking the effort to warn you against a player like monkey, now and in future: intent > content

As an aside, reading between the lines, monkey and co are either going to kill me tonight or are considering me as a viable D2 execution. If Umlaut gets eliminated today that might actually happen.

[Eiralox]

whatever. i'll try to be around but with six hours left I honestly don't care what happens just play smart with the next eliminations.

[Umlaut]

It is very close to deadline and the wagons are HEM, me, and JV.

I'm not voting for me.

I feel like if HEM were going to go through it would have.

I am pretty sure JV flips green and don't want to vote there.

What do?

[Eiralox]

What do?

I should have just voted GIF and called it quits. We can do that but honestly people might not be online to see it through. I can vote Jackson with you but I agree it's a green flip.

[JacksonVirgo]

Jackson parking their votes on vanity wagons

This couldn't feel

more

disingenuous considering you were tied for first not all that long ago

[JacksonVirgo]

And that I haven't been around to catch back up

[JacksonVirgo]

It wasn't me who caught them, it was Luka and Umlaut.

Shifting blame to others if it flips green

[JacksonVirgo]

Can this become a wagon again, thanks