Micro Normal 1104 - Postgame

[Firebringer]

hello, i am mafia.
Where are the town so i can yeet them

[Firebringer]

Hey everyone, I have a very strong townread on FancyPants. Just an immaculate gut feeling. Stay tuned for more riveting and useful updates as the game progresses!

Very scummy openning from Kay, so not gonna yeet her

Hey hey



VOTE: FancyPants

Guide us, oh chosen one

This is a good vote. This might be town

i forgot how to vote on ms but submit a vote on umlaut

Hello, I am very excited to play with you. Big fan of your work

Spoiler: My extremely townie introduction

2/10 in townieness. Not very high on my to yeet list yet.

FancyPants / Luka
KayJayQueue
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CeeJayvinoya

Bad townread on me but okay with everything else. U can have some town points

VOTE: Umlaut
Ty!
Entrance was awkward

Why? Seems like a joke post like mostly everyone's

This is the most interesting post from Hua Tao ive seen on a page one probably ever. I don't know how it pings me but I found it getting into game so fast with this spicy.

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VOTE: Hu Tao
Them liking the doggy is wolfy /srs

I agree with this vote so hard. No wonder im a fan of luka

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Firebringer... Are we playing at the same poker table? Did Datisi make that for you?

datisi did draw this for me.

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I'll wait for Luka to comment on my questions, but for right now I'm liking Cat and I'm liking Eira (based on that last post). I think FancyPants is a wolf

How can u not like Luka. This is just blasphemy
ur right about my slot alignment at least

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I have a red-check on FancyPants, he is incredibly suspicious but even a red-check isn't strong enough reasoning to vote the INNOCENT CHILD. Silly

Fun fact, I am stupid.

This is my scum partner. Hard pocketed, will defend forever

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VOTE: Jacksonvirgo

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2/10 in townieness. Not very high on my to yeet list yet.

VOTE: Jacksonvirgo

What happened between these two parts

skimmed like an extra 5-6 pages and don't like ur posts. U feel very blendy vs sorty

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jackson asking me that question feels pretty weird as well.
i mean i did sort of naked vote but it still seems weird to ask

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yeah thats why i said "well it was a naked vote"
but if i was in ur shoes i wouldn't be asking that at all. I would just go good vote or something.
why would u care what thoughts i have on ur slot are

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im usually not curious at all about an IC state of mind unless i want to convince them to vote a certain way

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yeah thats why i said "well it was a naked vote"
but if i was in ur shoes i wouldn't be asking that at all. I would just go good vote or something.
why would u care what thoughts i have on ur slot are

Well, turns out. I'm not you

Is this a blessing or a curse.

ill go with blessing for now, congrats

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I care because I'd rather be on the same page with someone I know is town and is not manipulating me

how dare u think i can't manipulate u as town

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im going to bed. probably
ill be back tomorrow for solving/readslist and interrogations.

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I would very much like to see GIF and HEM solve each other when i wake up.
I think those two would be interesting to see thoughts on each other/solving each other. I think that would be highly informative for the game.

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I have CJ slot (so that would be humaneatingmonkey), Luka, Umalot as all p strong town. With Fancy being confirmed town, I only have 1 slot left to enter my town pool.

I still have those two scumreads but they are about to not matter soon.

This is a very interesting post of GIF.

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Like that seems way too confident of a GIF post to make as town

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i am on break. Lets see what i missed from you rascals

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okay ive been lazy and i didn't even post on break yesterday. Lets see if i can solve and catchup

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==Without a shred of doubt, scum==
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i appreciate this very much my good friend

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I would very much like to see GIF and HEM solve each other when i wake up.
I think those two would be interesting to see thoughts on each other/solving each other. I think that would be highly informative for the game.

I already solved the slot by reading the first three pages :^)

how did u become less confident then now

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Nah, you slipped. It must have been weak, but it's definitely true. You're scum VOTE: Luka

VOTE: HEM
U slipped

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Oh, I forgot to say I liked 346 a lot and it put Jackson at the top of my town list.

I don't trust jackson at all, big effort post that i should read withstanding, the interaction with Kay felt super informed on his part.

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Nah, you slipped. It must have been weak, but it's definitely true. You're scum VOTE: Luka

VOTE: HEM
U slipped

hey not to put a lot of pressure on you but i think this day 1 really relies on you leading the town into something good and if this is the best you can do then I'm really disappointed

I am disappointed in you as well.

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I really really want to sheep Firebringer instead but he's just not interested in the game as much as I want him to be.

Nothing from what you have done has given me this impression that you want to just sheep

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Luka is more townie than the IC now

Idgaf, fuck you

That is a good thing

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I think being IC requires me to be asking questions instead of just making general comments on where my head is at because players don't really care where my head is at, or they shouldn't at least unless they want to manipulate me or some shit.

So what I should be doing is asking probing questions to demand answers and I really don't have any at the moment.

I think HEM push on luka was bad, and I think he is looking for reasons to push luka. It almost feels personality based in some way tbh which would mean not alignment indicative.

I sort of think Kay/Tao are townie enough that i don't need to question right now.

I would deep dive Jackson to apply questioning but i don't think thats proper sorting material, i need inspirational questions and like a golden goose catch to start going into it, im just dealing in vibes here that i don't trust jackson.

I guess ill ask this jackson.
U seem to be under heavy assumption that Kay is town, why aren't u considering she is scum pushing u here?

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Firebringer is fair game

Not if you want to be swimming with the fishes if you catch my drift

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Oh, I forgot to say I liked 346 a lot and it put Jackson at the top of my town list.

Holy shit, someone actually read it :O

Not a huge fan of people making a stance on me while willingly ignoring what I've written

1 - makes joke about people not reading post. Expects people not to read it but more or less kind of self degrading.
2 - This sounds like annoyed at people taking a stand even when not reading effort post, even though people can make a stance on other posts u make outside of 1 post. Do u think that post was only one of urs worth reading and inform ur alignment?

Its not like people are rolling dice on u as far as i can tell

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theres a lot of players in here with atttitude problems.

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Jackson u gonna ignore my questions or what

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i'm not gonna self-vote, and i'm still going to try and play the game the best way i can. put your theory to the test and vote someone else other than me.

How do u think following me is the best way you can play when you theoritically are town and i am misreading yourself. What makes my reads sheapable or better than your own just because you know im town. In theory, nothing.

So u voting with me is def not 'playing ur best' unless you believe in my reads. Which for all intents and purposes from your standpoint, if your town, you shouldn't.

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U seem to be under heavy assumption that Kay is town, why aren't u considering she is scum pushing u here?

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Do u think that post was only one of urs worth reading and inform ur alignment?

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As of page 14, I think Kay is town. I think they need to start posting more content or this will start to slip off as the primary driver of this read is her behaviour more than content which arguably is probably stronger to use in the early game but I do want to hear more from her.

This was the conclusion you made in your big content post about ur reads on everyone.
This doesn't scream, I am super confident in Kay being town here.

Then you spend many pages talking about how you interact with Kay if you were scum or how you play around with her as scum. Nothing in it indicated to me you explained how it went from Kay is leaning town but she is lock town, to her being lock town for this push on you. Yet you treat her imo as lock town.

So yeah you still need to explain ur kay read to me, because your side of this as i repeat. Seems super informed.

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in fact the only thing i don't see u doing for how u described ur scum interactions with kay is give her affirmations of reads, but u are calling her town. Which to me makes sense because why would scum you being affirmations unless she is on ur side already.

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This isn't helpful

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UNVOTE:

Luka, what exactly is ur reason for voting Hua Toa. Hua tao fine with elimming anyone and just openning up with that feels like town hua. Not caring about appearances, why u voting them

My lim pool right now is within GIF, HEM, Jackson.
To be sorted: Erialox
Probably town just because nothing is pinging me playing standard play by him: Umlaut

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Wait what part of Hua Toa play is pockety?

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Luka, what exactly is ur reason for voting Hua Toa. Hua tao fine with elimming anyone and just openning up with that feels like town hua. Not caring about appearances, why u voting them

they have 2 reads one of which was a page 3 ggut read, when asked whhy they thought it was the case gut was their reasoning yet the feel enough to call it lock town. The play feels really bad and pockety and multiple times have they misinterpreted my arguments against them strawmanning it and then, not conceding to but just ignoring it once i called them out on it. the second read is once again a read on kay which just feels like blatent TMI with the thread state right now and i dont know what the slot is doing if theyre a towner

U think Hua Tao gut reads are trying to pocket? where do u feel thats case

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VOTE: GuyInFreezer
get in here and solve or die by my hands

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I think there is just a lack of interest + people busy with rl for this game right now

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VOTE: GuyInFreezer
get in here and solve or die by my hands

Bad vote. Cat was obvious town. Just read first few pages

I read them, and I am not convinced.

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Let’s do something fun

VOTE: JacksonVirgo

alright
VOTE: Jacksonvirgo

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Are we voting cute aussies now? Sounds good to me

Sure why not

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Maybe I just go to my original read idk

VOTE: Eira

Do u townread jackson

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I read them, and I am not convinced.

That post was the post I was refering to which felt pockety for the record, they before that point voiced nothing along the lines of cat being "obvious town", just that the slot was remotely towny but they suddenly changed their mind to obvious town once the slot was being voted.

I just don't see how Overcat or even GIF was the being targeted for pocket in that way with just being called obvtown

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I am not going to sit here to defend null reads but like....it seems like u just want to random shoot Kay.
I got a scumlean on Jackson, totally fine with killing. If im wrong im wrong, i can accept being wrong.

if i had a stronger conviction right now i would be coordinating everyone to sheep me but players should be voting their scumread. If ur going to compromise, compromise on someones scumread that u think is either townie (as in sheep ur townreads) Or vote ur scumreads.

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1.13

Votecount 1.13

humaneatingmonkey (E-2): Eiralox, Umlaut, Hu Tao
GuyInFreezer (2):

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, humaneatingmonkey
Eiralox (1): JacksonVirgo
Hu Tao (1): Luka

Not Voting (2): GuyInFreezer, KayJayQueue

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-23 12:49:04).

I don't want to see any vanity wagons here at this point from anyone.
If ur going to vote someone who has 0 votes on them at this point, you need a scum case. Can be simple explanation of a post or something. But we aren't just random voting a person we aren't townreading who has 0 votes. If ur going to vote someone ur not townreading it should be as the compromise wagons.

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At this point i am here to be cheerleader for people to either make a scum case or sheep someone who is pushing a scumread. Anything else is now BANNED

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Also Erialox is right this is too serious for me. THis game is boring when everyone knows im town.

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Im not townreading umlaut, I just don't find anything he posted sus. I guess ill reread his iso a 3rd time because it felt pretty standard for him when i read it

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This is exactly the happy contented guy that we should be looking at in a game where I feel it has been a struggle to grasp a read on everyone else.

Okay well i read his iso, and i think ur def mischaracterizing him doing nothing or having no progression or w/e,

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Reads on Kay/your slot seem to have development to me.

if i wanted to go after someone for 0 development i would be gungho on GIF right now

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i guess u could argue that even GIF has some development of reads. I just think GIF confidence seems a little more like trolly posts

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i don't think we should have this argument. Since im not interested in defending umlaut, if u get him at E-1, Ill hammer him. I just am not very convinced of ur scum case is him being scummy vs him not being active right now to change or develop his read right now. I see some development in his early posting. I am not going to argue he is town because of it, i don't think its unfakeable or makes him townie enough to argue

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I agree that Umlaut should be more active. I think that goes for most players. I don't see what those 5 days are unique to him. I can turn that around on most players here on the stagnation. They aren't all scum, so the stagnation can't be in of itself scummy, can it?

Sure, we can say he is comfortable where he is.
I wouldn't argue against that.

I also never seen Umlaut as a hyper active poster to begin with so that does go to my whole view that this isn't that out of ordinary

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So it looks like we have hammer on umlaut

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No, I saw a vote on umlaut this page and thought it was hammer, i didn't see the vote switches.

We should have enough to hammer though.

VOTE: Umlaut

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So it looks like we have hammer on umlaut

No. We have people arguing over nothing. I' a pr. They are baying like hounds for me to claim.

At this point I'm sure scum are in Um, jack, Freeze, Monk. That's the best I can help you with.

U have a specific reason for not full claiming that would be useful to the town, cause u already made urself a target for kill anyways

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ohhh cool i am alive and get to play day 2.

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I am kind of at Jackson scum and im unsure of second.

I think Eiralox could have just been targeted for night kill to get rid of protective tbh. I mean non zero chance scum don't want a save on me i guess.

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I think HEM is very likely town here

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firebringer is a literal brick wall this game

The best kind of wall there is

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How do i gain confidence in u GIF

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Like, I don't think scum opens the day like this.

I agree but how do i gain confidence ur town

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actually i kind of think scum luka would post that GIF.

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I don't think luka was universally townread and i think he knows it? I mean i townread him a lot.Ehhh still willing to say luka is town

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I think HEM can't be scum here because there was no reason to heavy push for Eiralox wagon yesterday if he was scum. He could just let the game stagnate and we likely would have elimmed a townie. Unless he was directly doing it to avoid a specific low hanging fruit scum from being end of day elim (which im not seeing).

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firebringer is a literal brick wall this game

The best kind of wall there is

What's your favourite type of brick? Mine's a cinderblock

Fire Bricks

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Like, I don't think scum opens the day like this.

I agree but how do i gain confidence ur town

stylishly

I don't have style

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good counter point

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I don't think luka was universally townread and i think he knows it? I mean i townread him a lot.Ehhh still willing to say luka is town

Do you think Luka puts on that whole “oh they tried to kill me of course” and tries to make it that he’s so obvtown that we just believe it? I dunno. It’d be a weird play as scum but I’ve never played with him so I have no idea.

There are certain types of players who try to play up the whole "i am so obvious town. I am always town. How can you not think I am town. Kind of schitck and its kind of not alignment indicative, but here i think it could be an act.

For reference that kind of gameplay is from MafiaUniverse where Luka is from. So its def in his wheelbag methinks.

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i still feel luka is town. Most likely.

I put him down a slot on my townreads

{HEM}
{Luka}
{Kay}
{GIF/Hua Toa}
{Jackson}

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If jackson is scum I am willing to locktown Kay.

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For reference that kind of gameplay is from MafiaUniverse where Luka is from. So its def in his wheelbag methinks.

That explains few things.
Do you agree with my "one scum in [HEM | Hu Tao | KJQ], other in [Jackson | Luka | If you reeeeeeeeally want to, me]" split based on the D1 elimination wagon?

I mean i don't think Kay and Jackson can be scum together.
And HEM isn't scum.

Why can't you be scum with Jackson for my sanity

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why can't Hua/Kay be a team either

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I don't think there is any strong anti associations between those two for them not to be a possible team?

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i usually don't examine wagons on elims on town.

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I think HEM can't be scum here because there was no reason to heavy push for Eiralox wagon yesterday if he was scum. He could just let the game stagnate and we likely would have elimmed a townie. Unless he was directly doing it to avoid a specific low hanging fruit scum from being end of day elim (which im not seeing).

i will take the townread, and i don't want to jinx myself, but do you mean Umlaut? because i think despite the pressure i gave eiralox yesterday, i didn't feel as if i really pushed that hard (as much as i could have) and volunteered to sheep you instead. or do you mean on end of day?

i meant umlaut yeah

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@Firebringer can you articulate what about this game reminded you of Hu Taos town game? I skimmed a game as prior mentioned and I found nothing similar; in addition to that I noted how they were actually pushing people that game as compared to this game.

trhe whole "i am tired of all this, i am ready to elim everyone" felt very town hua to me. Now i kind of just feel null about it

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anyone* not everyone.

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I dont' believe ur trying to find scum at all here.

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I know my last post isn't conducive to a dialogue, but do you want to explain ur solve or how ur sorting at all to me. Or u going to keep that hidden in the back and presumably just call me bad/etc when I supposedly just yeet you.

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We could use more shit posts in this game to make it more enjoyable. This game is supposed to be fun distraction away from my day job.

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I will be here later this saturday. I have a few rl things to handle

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i am conflicted, i think tracker + Ic= bg is a bit much here in terms of micro power, but i also don't think its unreasonable. I mean its probably fine balance wise actually.

I guess leans towards hua is telling truth.

That kind of puts me in weird spot of where scum are as i feel the lim pool is strange.
Jackson/Kay has one scum almost certainly.
the last scum being in GIF/Luka is where i am confused. GIF has been hard townreading luka, and luka is well luka.

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This setup is designed so that the bodyguard is probably dead by night 1 (protecting the only town) and the IC probably dead by night 2 (after the bodyguard dies). So we're robbed of night kill analysis as a starting point if we don't eliminate scum in day 1 and day 2, but since we have an IC - we are looking at a slimmer pool. My take is, I'm not sure there's a balance to giving town another way to get conftowns through a gated tracker if we eliminate 1 scum. Unless it's a very specific gate (that I have in mind).

I wanna ask what the gate is, but this is more Firebringer's call.

yeah i guess with this in mind. The idea bG always saves the IC and the tracker gets full reign to possibly 2 free checks is kind of strong. It could result in for instance scum getting tracked n1, then get inno checks on night 2. Or actually with assumption bg is dead on night 1 they couldn't get inno so maybe not thatp owerful

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i should note that if we get scum here, hua surviving tomorrow would be odd given that he would have an inno at least with tracker.

So we should not elim hua no matter how much we think he is lying about claim.

I will look at Kay again later as i think her/jackson has to have scum here

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we should massclaim i say jackson starts first

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Still waiting on Jackson

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Assuming makes an ass out of us all

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i mean we don't need to go in order if u haven't claimed yet and want to go, just go for it.

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big part of me doesn't want to elim jackson because his obstinate behavior is like classic town that doesn't give a fuck and wants u to know ur all bad. The other part of me goes, well he isn't solving at all and pretty blatantly holding back his thoughtso n the game so i don't feel bad about mislimming that even if i am wrong and let him have the satisfaction of telling us we are all bad.

I mean to me its either kay or Jackson goes and im still voting jackson.

Hua stays today for claim, if scum gets today free pass.
Need to find buddy or other scum. Or i guess we lose here right? I forget if this is ELO

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ohhh no, tomorrow is our last day. So we can be wrong here.

Yeah still vote is on jackson
VOTE: Jacksonvirgo

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ur not cleared from tracker, we just know u didn't make a kill

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What do you think a tracker clear even means in this context, dumbass

Who is scum

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Get a better attitude

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You don't get to insult everyone in the game and pretend like your the victim.
Fuck off

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We are dong with this conversation. We can talk in post game about this when our heads are cleared.

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if you have anymore thoughts on the scum team feel free to share it or we just wait for the mod to flip you

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I think the way HEM handled end of day, was to focus efforts on getting an elim. I don't think it was done to save a buddy who was in distress of being elimmed and i don't really think he was in that much danger himself. I believe his scumread he had on umlaut. Even if i didn't agree with the reasons for it.

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SOUNDS LIKE UR INFORMED!!!!

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if i had to pick a second player for likely town i would go for Luka. Thats about all i got for u unfortunately.

Hua/You/GIF scum in those.

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Just don't vote HEM tomorrow. THat is my last request as IC

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Just don't vote HEM tomorrow. THat is my last request as IC

Okay. Do you have any thoughts on GIF, Hu or Luka?

I just said Luka likely town, but I wouldn't stake the game on it.

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Why be stressed when u have the answer in a couple hours

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Have you tried weed

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gg well done town