open 914: the coalition (this is completed)
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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I realized just now I could make a witty comment about how you could put me in your pocket, but I didn't think to do that when I made my first post, unfortunately.-
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Tsawwassen AnyGoonAny
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I won't nominate people who nominate themselves-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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Moros it/itsGoonit/its
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i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themself-
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Tsawwassen AnyGoonAny
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I ain't no riddler-
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Tsawwassen AnyGoonAny
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So true bestieIn post 28, Moros wrote: i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themself-
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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What’s the purpose of this statement?In post 26, Tsawwassen wrote: I won't nominate people who nominate themselves-
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.-
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Tsawwassen AnyGoonAny
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To state my intentionsIn post 31, Aventurine wrote:
What’s the purpose of this statement?In post 26, Tsawwassen wrote: I won't nominate people who nominate themselves-
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Tsawwassen AnyGoonAny
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The better question would've been whether if we would nominate ourselvesIn post 32, Aventurine wrote: Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.
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Black she/herTwilight Princessshe/her
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I might be overthinking it but I think it makes sense to nominate ourselves. A townie that doesn't nominate themselves has a much larger chance of nominating scum. If we all nominate ourselves then they all cancel out and we can each choose 4 other people-
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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What I’m currently interested in is your thoughts on the theory of the setup, though you could answer that as well, if you like.In post 34, Tsawwassen wrote:
The better question would've been whether if we would nominate ourselvesIn post 32, Aventurine wrote: Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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I agree with you; self-nomination is generally not going to be indicative of alignment, since it is advantageous for both parties to nominate themself.In post 35, Black wrote: I might be overthinking it but I think it makes sense to nominate ourselves. A townie that doesn't nominate themselves has a much larger chance of nominating scum. If we all nominate ourselves then they all cancel out and we can each choose 4 other people-
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Tsawwassen AnyGoonAny
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If we all nominate ourselves, a coalition cannot be formed, so you need others to make compromises-
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Black she/herTwilight Princessshe/her
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That's where the four other votes come inIn post 38, Tsawwassen wrote: If we all nominate ourselves, a coalition cannot be formed, so you need others to make compromises-
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.-
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Aventurine it/heTownieit/he
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Is choosing not to make that compromise towny or scummy, in your eyes?-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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Putting on the serious hat in the discussion for a moment:
This seems like a misunderstanding of the setup.In post 38, Tsawwassen wrote: If we all nominate ourselves, a coalition cannot be formed, so you need others to make compromises
A "typical" coalition in this setup involves 5 players collectively deciding that they are the coalition, and thus all 5 of those players would vote for themselves. In fact it's technically mathematically impossible to form a coalition without at least one player voting for themself: there are 5 people on the coalition, and 5 people voting for the coalition, and in a player list of 9 people that list must overlap at at least one player.
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Moros it/itsGoonit/its
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tsawwassen is able to nominate themself while still abiding by their rule. i, however, cannot follow my own rule. this amendment came at implosion's suggestion.In post 32, Aventurine wrote: Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.-
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gonna nominate myself out of spite
HEAL: cjvCeejay is only gonna get better but his logic can be on the wrong side of lazy logic sometimes. ~the worst-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEAL: s are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.In post 40, Aventurine wrote: And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.
This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on theexactsame coalition.-
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Moros it/itsGoonit/its
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well-highlighted.-
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