open 914: the coalition (this is completed)

[Aventurine]

I realized just now I could make a witty comment about how you could put me in your pocket, but I didn't think to do that when I made my first post, unfortunately.

[Tsawwassen]

I won't nominate people who nominate themselves

[implosion]

Is this like the riddle about the barber?

[Moros]

i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themself

[Tsawwassen]

I ain't no riddler

[Tsawwassen]

i will nominate a person if and only if the person doesn't nominate themself

So true bestie

[Aventurine]

I won't nominate people who nominate themselves

What’s the purpose of this statement?

[Aventurine]

Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.

[Tsawwassen]

I won't nominate people who nominate themselves

What’s the purpose of this statement?

To state my intentions

[Tsawwassen]

Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.

The better question would've been whether if we would nominate ourselves

Missed opportunities, gambler, missed opportunities

[Black]

I might be overthinking it but I think it makes sense to nominate ourselves. A townie that doesn't nominate themselves has a much larger chance of nominating scum. If we all nominate ourselves then they all cancel out and we can each choose 4 other people

[Aventurine]

Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.

The better question would've been whether if we would nominate ourselves

Missed opportunities, gambler, missed opportunities

What I’m currently interested in is your thoughts on the theory of the setup, though you could answer that as well, if you like.

[Aventurine]

I might be overthinking it but I think it makes sense to nominate ourselves. A townie that doesn't nominate themselves has a much larger chance of nominating scum. If we all nominate ourselves then they all cancel out and we can each choose 4 other people

I agree with you; self-nomination is generally not going to be indicative of alignment, since it is advantageous for both parties to nominate themself.

[Tsawwassen]

If we all nominate ourselves, a coalition cannot be formed, so you need others to make compromises

[Black]

If we all nominate ourselves, a coalition cannot be formed, so you need others to make compromises

That's where the four other votes come in

[Aventurine]

And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.

[Aventurine]

Is choosing not to make that compromise towny or scummy, in your eyes?

[implosion]

Putting on the serious hat in the discussion for a moment:

If we all nominate ourselves, a coalition cannot be formed, so you need others to make compromises

This seems like a misunderstanding of the setup.

to form a majority, 5 players must vote for the same group of 5 names.

A "typical" coalition in this setup involves 5 players collectively deciding that they are the coalition, and thus all 5 of those players would vote for themselves. In fact it's technically mathematically impossible to form a coalition without at least one player voting for themself: there are 5 people on the coalition, and 5 people voting for the coalition, and in a player list of 9 people that list must overlap at at least one player.

[Black]

Great point

[Moros]

Or rather, what’s your thought process behind that idea? I’d like it if Moros could also answer this question.

tsawwassen is able to nominate themself while still abiding by their rule. i, however, cannot follow my own rule. this amendment came at implosion's suggestion.

[ceejayvinoya]

gonna nominate myself out of spite

HEAL: cjv

[implosion]

And this compromise lies in not nominating yourself? Coalition-making is a different process from voting on coalitions.

This is also something to highlight in this setup; mechanically speaking, HEAL: s are 100% meaningless unless you heal 5 people. Voting for a coalition of 4 players will never actually mechanically contribute to a coalition forming because the day ends when 5 people have all voted for the same 5 people.

This is not to say we oughtn't vote because it's a good way to telegraph an opinion. But votes don't carry the mechanical weight that they do in a normal game of mafia, where voting for a player is putting them one step closer to being eliminated. Even voting for a full coalition doesn't have the same sort of weight because it own't matter unless 4 other people agree on the

exact

same coalition.

[implosion]

Whoopsie daisy

[Moros]

well-highlighted.

[implosion]

look at me, thinking that an opening tag without a closing tag would just sit there idly. maybe it worked that way in the last phpbb version lol