Large Normal 247 - Day 5

[KayJayQueue]

if i do flip today maybe it'll provide a useful lesson about basing votes on vague idk feels

So I’m assuming based on your vote that you prefer a gera flip, can you sell me on this since I’m finding it difficult to read him?

[Psyche]

gera's summary of the difference between kjq's play in this game and her scum game with us is mostly accurate imo. she's mainly more confident in some key reads (e.g., naeyrs) but otherwise seems to post and play kind of similarly.

[Alianna]

VC

Never mind, didn't see 4.07.

[KayJayQueue]

gera's summary of the difference between kjq's play in this game and her scum game with us is mostly accurate imo. she's mainly more confident in some key reads (e.g., naeyrs) but otherwise seems to post and play kind of similarly.

Have you looked at any town games of mine? I feel like that may be a more useful comparison. (Except the one I just lost, we don’t need to relive that again)

[Psyche]

i kind of doubt i'd be able to read a whole other game meaningfully enough for that sort of comparison

[Psyche]

if there were a more concrete question to answer i'd look for time to do a dive though.

[Psyche]

viewtopic.php?p=14163175&f=2&t=92440&us ... #p14163175

this is where in my iso i start digging into gera. 2702 goes into the most depth.
gist is that he makes a lot of noise about sorting, a lot of complaining about others' approaches/heuristics, saying this or that is useless, unsubstantial, fluff --
but does little real sorting on his own and producing wallposts that only look substantial if you're not paying attention
all this makes all the talk look pretty hollow and performative in retrospect. i used the word "busybody" when you and i were discussing this earlier.

maybe most striking gap is in his positioning around ranger on D2
he never gets around to expressing even one read on the slot or on others' reads on the slot.
the closest he gets is expressed dissatisfaction with the idea of limming inside the game's neighborhood.
his excuse D3 was that he was always null about ranger (and everyone?), but we don't even see any effort to clarify his read on ranger that day.
mostly just drifting and drifting -- but performed as if not that.

lots of slots have drifted this game and avoided active work to clarify nullreads but gera's has signs of disingenuousness to it

[KayJayQueue]

Hmm now that you say that, I think I do find it weird he wasn’t on board with the Ranger vote. Like, I get that I’m flip floppy and indecisive and paranoid but I don’t think he is. He’s much more likely to have voted Ranger, probably even out of annoyance because that day phase was…a lot, than not. So maybe this is indicative of something. Either that or I’m seeing what I want to.

[Lycanfire]

Busy helping girlfriend's brother move

16-24

Spoiler: analysis

{KayJayQueue}
{geraintm, Thomith}
{Gypyx}
{PenguinPower}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P16

Verdict: gypyx down. Geraint and snow sus willow, but no movement here.

KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P17

Verdict: penguin shoots up to top tier. Thomith up

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Random Nurse}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P18

Verdict: no change in tiers. Felt like based off their history, ranger should have downgraded thomith for TRing hu tao and geraint for SRing penguin.

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Oblivion}
{Lycanfire}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P19

Verdict: willow down 2 tiers. Felt like an opportunity to move up random nurse for sussing thomith for the NAS wagon, but it didnt happen.

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm, Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Oblivion}
{Lycanfire}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P21

Verdict: gypyx up. Thomith and gypyx making up most of the posts for these two pages.

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower}
{Thomith}
{geraintm, Gypyx}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Random Nurse}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P22

Verdict: i commented on oblivion down day 2 because i didnt think willow should have went up for their abrupt VT claim. Random nurse gives HARD opinions on the NAS wagon and doesn't move anywhere.

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Random Nurse}
{Naerys}
{Snow2697}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P23

Verdict: geraint up or gypyx down with no posts by either. Page is almost entirely thomith-random nurse, both move up. Thomith talks about NAS resistance, random nurse criticizes thomith for voting NAS over willow.

{KayJayQueue, PenguinPower, Thomith}
{geraintm}
{Gypyx}
{Random Nurse}
{Snow2697}
{Naerys}
{Lycanfire}
{Oblivion}
{Titus}
{Hu Tao}

P24

Verdict: no snow content, naerys down just for a facepalm emoji response to jackson. I hindsight this should have townspewed naerys. Felt like the geraint sus on willow here should have moved one of them as both made strong opinions on this page.

[geraintm]

viewtopic.php?p=14163175&f=2&t=92440&us ... #p14163175

this is where in my iso i start digging into gera. 2702 goes into the most depth.
gist is that he makes a lot of noise about sorting, a lot of complaining about others' approaches/heuristics, saying this or that is useless, unsubstantial, fluff --
but does little real sorting on his own and producing wallposts that only look substantial if you're not paying attention
all this makes all the talk look pretty hollow and performative in retrospect. i used the word "busybody" when you and i were discussing this earlier.

maybe most striking gap is in his positioning around ranger on D2
he never gets around to expressing even one read on the slot or on others' reads on the slot.
the closest he gets is expressed dissatisfaction with the idea of limming inside the game's neighborhood.
his excuse D3 was that he was always null about ranger (and everyone?), but we don't even see any effort to clarify his read on ranger that day.
mostly just drifting and drifting -- but performed as if not that.

lots of slots have drifted this game and avoided active work to clarify nullreads but gera's has signs of disingenuousness to it

but im like this every game? i havent and never have generated reads on people when i have nothing to go on. i recognised ages ago that i am not great at this game, i kept getting into end games and being the mis vote that lost games for town.
i worked out that there are much better players than me in every game i am in and i need to follow much more what they are doing. i don't jump the gun until i see enough info and facts that come through the game.

it is just infuriating that in this game, there is no info coming through. set up appears to have town having zero night actions! i don't think ive ever been in a game like that before! i kinda assume that town after like 3 days of half decent play can trap scum through claims. scum just end up nowhere to go. why i wanted a massclaim early on.

so yeah you are right, i never get round to expressing a read in this game. but i don't have anything to do that with. i said early on that i thought killing in the hood a second time was bad maths,that is about as far as i have gone.

i normally hope to just keep being as townie as i can as the game goes on and hope that at some point scum kill me.

[Lycanfire]

Thoughts on the frustration of having no night actions? I never once felt this way.

Dissonance between admitting not having reads and claiming they want to draw a night kill is present. Why would anyone kill a slot that had a poe of more than half the players left. You'll live, and I don't think its from a lack of conviction.

[Lycanfire]

I'm starting to think Hu is trying to mock the fact that I primarily play this game based on gut feelings.

Came across this last night

[Oblivion]

It will not be voting for Psyche, it won't be voting for itself. Those are rule 1 and 2 for it right now. In that order, actually, frankly.

[Oblivion]

this thread is kinda depressing to look at

It thinks you know whose fault that is.

[Lycanfire]

I wasn't feeling very happy with the game state for a few days but the reread has helped. Lots of dave and ranger interactions. I'll score their interactions and one sided ones when I get home.

[Lycanfire]

If anyone else wants to look that would be great. Cmon, we have flipped scum. We should be feeling good.

[Lycanfire]

Thoughts on the frustration of having no night actions? I never once felt this way.

Like to get peoples takes on this.

[Psyche]

gera's reply is a reasonable answer to the criticism that he seems to drifting around.
but i don't scumread everyone who's drifting around.
wrt gera, i specifically suspect a lot of his posts are performative and exist to mask that he's just drifting around.
i'd in fact disagree that he's avoided generating reads when he's had little to go on.
and on the other hand, i think his iso is missing not just reads -- which he says are missing because he has "nothing to go on" -- but also real searching for stuff to go on.

but yknow, maybe i'm tunnelling at this point.
i'll take a closer look at gera's iso and see if there's really anything left after you take away the "just drifting" critique, and highlight what i find

[Psyche]

(also the shift from "i'm voting for the top wagon no matter what" to "woah there partner i don't have a specific read on this slot but we should be looking off-neighborhood" still gives me whiplash, i'm typing this to remind myself of that for later)

[Enchant]

I find setup pretty boring.

... Which shouldn't be case in Complex.

[Lycanfire]

I find setup pretty boring.

... Which shouldn't be case in Complex.

Noted. Thoughts on current topics?

[Enchant]

I answered your question, what current topic?

[Lycanfire]

Do you feel like, "feeling infuriated by the lack of night actions" is a real emotion a townie could have here, or is this fake?

[Gypyx]

this thread is kinda depressing to look at

It thinks you know whose fault that is.

Yeah i do but i'm curious as to what it thinks the answer is

[Gypyx]

Do you feel like, "feeling infuriated by the lack of night actions" is a real emotion a townie could have here, or is this fake?

Well, i kinda didn't sign up to play a quasi mountanious but also i'm a PR so idc