I think even in the scenario that scum did shoot into me and we're both town it's best to at least partially resolve myself/you this day phase.In post 2385, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:first off, I FINISHED MY FINAL -In post 2383, SmileyDude1 wrote:This stands out to me, cause I think the idea of DGB being a scum roleblocker becomes even more dubious if you're of the thought that Nick was gated jailkeeper here.In post 2358, Grovyle in a Fedora wrote:think of it this way: i think dgb is almost certainly scum here, and we have 2 PRs right now otherwise alive. since drnick is odd night, this means that if we remove scum's ability to roleblock, it will force scum to kill there and give me an extra result.In post 2355, Black wrote:If it's almost certain that Smiley is scum then why should we fade DGB today?In post 2354, Aureal wrote: Yeah I don't see much reason to shoot there either, which is exactly why the jk almost certainly was stopping him from making the kill rather than being it.
Also the whole "working in lockstep with Goofball to defend each other once they got tied together" thing.
also thomith's actions are less scummy than dgb's here, and it very well could have been a PR read shot since scum have only shot 1 PR so far and probably are desperate to find another this close to endgame.
we remove scum's counterplay to the remaining PRs we have a good shot at getting good info the next day. does that make sense? id really prefer if you voted dgb first here for that reason
Like IMO
Novice V-Cop
Jailkeeper
Neighborizer
VTS
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Roleblocker
Goons
feels kind of dubious to me on its own. If your thought was that the jailkeeper is gated as well then I do think it becomes rather apparent that an RB for scum doesn't work here. Think Town!Grov would be able to see that.
Also the part about getting an extra result is off to me because it implies a belief that they'd be able to get an useful result out of an additional check. In the world where this is correct and DGB is a scum roleblocker, I think it's undeniably correct that they don't have another PR here which means Grov wouldn't get any info out of an additional check here.
shrug i was looking for arguments to resolve my stronger scumread and I misspecced.
drnick being not oddnight makes it more likely
i dont know how balance works on this site that well, I just figured that JK + neighorizer + an investigative was fine here
i think looking at mech is bad anyways and that dgb's dayplay is more incriminating here and that you can reasonably see my progression throughout this game. i am not one that wants to lose to both of us being town and you having been shot at - i dont think its outside of the realm of possibility by any means. who else should have died here? thomith and black after all were fairly clear based on the ming situation and thomith was posting fairly well while they were alive. shortcuts, especially ones that lead to losing situations if you assume wrongly - are bad.
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let me ask you a question, if we were to divert away from resolving us here and wound up flipping green, do you realistically see a scenario where we don't just wind up resolving within us tomorrow anyways here? Cause if a misflip in this state just means we resolve us tomorrow, I'd rather just rip the bandaid off now. In the reality we're actually both town, at the very least doing so would confirm to the survivor what happened and allow them to operate and try to solve based off that even if the situation would be dire there (also will say for this reason I do think it'd be a mistake to insta-toss the survivor of me/Grov in MELO should the other flip green, def should be main suspect but I think it'd be better to see what they cook up in that scenario). Whereas resolving it tomorrow would just result in us losing the game anyways if we're both town here.
