Mini 732: Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Mafia (Game Over!)

[Porochaz]

confirm

[Porochaz]

I am shocked and appauled by you thinking Id OMGUS you like that. I feel dirty now... however

vote Gorrad

, I thought long and hard about this. I analysed his play fully. Please read and respond accordingly.

I eat people at night

Proof that he kills.

When Im done, I will be the only one left.

Dispicable. And obvious.

I polish my gun every night, you know to remove the "evidence"

Feeling Guilty?

I am scum

Im not sure about this quote. There is something off about it, Ill come back to you about it.

[Porochaz]

RAR! ME NO LIKE SELF VOTING! DIE STUPID SELF VOTING PERSON!

unvote Vote Gorrad

You do realise this is a water-tight case and the only thing he can do now

is

vote himself. Its the townie thing to do... because he's scum. Which makes him scum, as he's town... *implodes.

[Porochaz]

pie would not be happy

[Porochaz]

agreed

unvote vote danch

[Porochaz]

It seems doubtful that the scum would have chosen not to make a nightkill, so either Tony was the one calling in the order and got roleblocked or the scum tried to target me (if the scum making the action was Megatheory), or Tony Montana was targeted while being jailkeeped (or is it jailkept?) by Danchaofan. If Hasdgfas did indeed bodyguard Porochaz, then either Porochaz wasn’t a target since Hasdgfas survived or Porochaz could possibly be scum.

Just clarifying, you know hasdgfas is bodyguard not jailkeeper, therefore if I was scum I would be free to kill, correct?

[Porochaz]

If I were scum and I had made a kill the previous night then I highly doubt that I wouldnt be able to double vote. Firstly because it would make it really easy. Second, it doesnt say it in the role PM or the rules.

[Porochaz]

Just to let you know where I stand on the maker of eggnogfas, I go on a sliding scale, Its usefullness of the player x the role they have. In short I dont know what to think of hasgcow but im flattered anyway.

[Porochaz]

Also given N0 events I think we say it's reasonably unlikely that me, rishi, fuzzy, has, and porochaz- it's bad for town to immediately discount the possibility as among the any of these groups could have taken a wifomic approach to their night actions..

I accidentally a lynch.

Can you please re-write this when you're not stonecold drunk?

Your going to have a problem this game, and what I write when Im drunk wont be repeated if it makes a senbelence of sense.

And

unvote vote Rishi

auto vote for taking off the random vote. Why? There wasnt a danger of a lynch. By taking off the random vote it nullifies its usage. Making lots of fail.

[Porochaz]

Your going to have a problem this game, and what I write when Im drunk wont be repeated if it makes a senbelence of sense.

Anti-town.

Please explain.

And

unvote vote Rishi

auto vote for taking off the random vote. Why? There wasnt a danger of a lynch. By taking off the random vote it nullifies its usage. Making lots of fail.

Call me naive, but I thought we voted for people that we wanted lynched.

Right, but if you don't have something productive to do with your vote at the end of the "random stage", why are you taking it off? How does that help the game?

What he said. I post drunk frequently, I can still play the game, you just have to read throught the spelling mistakes.

Also, Rishi the problem with your statement is that your not voting anyone, you just unvoted. So your not voting for someone you want lynched. It causes your random vote to become pointless. Contrary to popular belief there is a point to random votes otherwise we wouldnt do them.

[Porochaz]

agreed,

vote TM

and btw, my grammer will also take a hit as is prone when drunk. If it doesnt make sense I will repeat but it'll be my judgement call. If it does you'll just live with it or go into a screaming blubbering mess rocking in the corner.

[Porochaz]

HEY GIESS WHAT TONY MANTANANAANANA IM MORE WRECKED THAN,,,I EVER HAVE BEEN ON MAFIABUM WHr Are you going to do? My grammer os terrible see the three comas insreaf og the full stops, is that worth a vote? IS IT????

[Porochaz]

agreed,

vote TM

and btw, my grammer will also take a hit as is prone when drunk. If it doesnt make sense I will repeat but it'll be my judgement call. If it does you'll just live with it or go into a screaming blubbering mess rocking in the corner.

Christ, what's your problem, is anybody arguing with you about something you wrote? Are you 13 and really proud that you post while drunk?
Unless you want to argue that what dan said made sense, how bout you stfu about it.

Yes, you called me antitown, Im saying if your a little less stuck up, then its not a problem. I dont care, the fact is I do come onto the site whilst drunk, its something I do, Im not saying Im proud about it. Im telling you to deal with it. Incidentally I dont remember or care if I had a problem with what dan said. (Generally I dont remember things which werent that important) Just that you were a bit of a dick about it.

Reading the rest of the posts.

[Porochaz]

Ok I forgot I made a drunk post here, but its a good un anyway. I dont see a problem of an early hammah in this case, I think the slip alone is enough, he reminds us in bold hes at L-1, why? It was already stated. My vote essentially counts for double.

[Porochaz]

I dont find page 9 an early hammer, I thinks its within the lower section of the good range.

[Porochaz]

What he said. I post drunk frequently, I can still play the game, you just have to read throught the spelling mistakes.

I can read through spelling mistakes. Grammar mistakes must be clarified.
And saying pre-emptivly you won't repeat yourself when drunk is anti-town.

Btw, town, if i make any scumslips while drunk

, I'm just gonna ignore you all.

That is not nothing.

[Porochaz]

I would like to state that I hope any town who is voting me for the "slip" chokes on my balls one day.
I also would like the chance to state my final thoughts before I get lynched.

I hope that when that day comes, you enjoy it.

[Porochaz]

I was waiting for the claiim thin tio ebd.

[Porochaz]

what do you want me to do during a claim in which Im a doublevoter with no night action? Im at uni I will comment if needed on the stuff after my last post later.

[Porochaz]

Catching up. At least not much has happened >.>

I don't like posts 242-244 that all comment on how nothing's happening, but don't do anything to cause things to happen.
Post 248 - Yos2: I prefer maximizing the amount of town-controlled kills. Sure, it might also be scum-controlled, but I still prefer using it. Maybe calling it scummy was a bit harsh, but I don't like a no-kill here.
Post 251 - Ruck: Although Mega did express suspicion of fuzzy during day 1, so I don't find it all that strange.
Post 252 - Yos2: Still want me to claim my target?
Post 259 - Gorrad: Hmm, role arguments in a smalltown aren't usually a good idea, IMO. Scumhunting is still pretty important, and everyone has a role, it's not like we can say "oh, vanilla, easy choice for a vig kill"
Post 268 - Gorrad: I don't like the argument of "I might die quickly if I take a good role". Isn't getting killed due to role better than being killed because the scum think you can scumhunt for them more easily?
Post 277 - Yos2: If you really think someone is scum, why shouldn't you kill them, even if it might lose the game for the town? Would you rather control it or have to convince the town you're right?
Post 279 - Yos2: I agree with Yosarian2 about Gorrad.
Post 285 - Gorrad: Why do you find him suspect? I haven't seen you express any reasoning for it, and with the fact that Yos was supicious of you first, this seems like pure OMGUS to me. I also don't think it's a bad idea to keep him from killing if we mislynch.
Post 288 - Porochaz: I find it very strange that you don't have

anything

to add to what's been said today.

I'm going to

FoS: Gorrad and Porochaz

I feel them as scum right now. I really don't like Post 285 where he expresses suspicion of Yos2 with no reasoning and says that a self-vig is a good idea.
Porochaz has done nothing, which is probably the best scum play right now.

Ok you misunderstood, I meant I really cant add much with whats going on and that I wouldnt comment once everybody has gotten through there claim, I cant add anything helpful to that. I was meaning I was going to read over from my first post from day 2 which I now have done.

So in answer to yos2's question. I dislike Master Ruck, his reasoning to me hasnt been the best and his logic is essentially flawed. I dontlike many of his posts at the start of this page, simply because of the way he went about suggesting it.

However Gorrad is top of my list currently, Im trying to get the reasoning behind his actions so far and I am failing badly. The reason he didnt pick tracker just screams non sensical to me. As is the wanting to wait for a protective role... I think at the moment he would be my candidate and thusly

vote Gorrad

[Porochaz]

I still don't see why there is so much being said against Gorrad not picking up the tracker. Were I the super backup, I would ignore the tracker regardless of role with the given scenario.

The SK killed it with no knowledge of the person but instead for the role.

Maybe I would have done if it were possible to keep it quiet and not draw the attention of the SK, but with the way we are popcorning every day, I don't see how that is really possible. If I'm wrong with this thought (which I seem to be) then tell me why because I

really

don't see why.

How do you know the reasoning, precisely, it could be that but it could have been the person or anything. Especially with this many night choices tracker I dont think tracker is an extremely dangerous role.

[Porochaz]

Apologies just realised Jebus was scum. Your probably right.

[Porochaz]

Simply because it means that the scumgroup didnt kill him and the motives become clearer. Where scum could be killing anyone with 3 seperate people.

[Porochaz]

That made no sense. Scum can kill with 3 different people. So have a better idea of who to kill and may go for the player rather than the role. Also its cumalitive therefore its easer to choose whether to use your role or go through with a kill as they cant do both. So wouldnt be caught as easy.

[Porochaz]

Please someone tell me how I can contribute to your popcorn claim when I am a doublevoter. I left this game at the back of my mind whilst I had a lot of work because there was no point. Now there is. Gorrad has crap reasoning and wanting to lynch someone based on lurking at the moment is inherrently scummy.

[Porochaz]

Urgh post deleted, in short. I was busy and posting only in games I knew I had to post in. Now Im back. Taking unexpected leave of absences should be ok provided I come back afterwards and dont make it a recurring thing. So Im back Im trying to make an active contribution, now either move on or stay with your lurker vote.

[Porochaz]

Ok, well done for voting someone on the sole basis of lurking in a game where we could lose tonight.

[Porochaz]

Hai! Im here, your voting me for lurking right... sorry I just thought Id check that. Then against the records I have here... hmmm... seems like everyone is lurking at the moment... why gorrad where is your leg??? It seems you have nothing to stand on...

[Porochaz]

I think his case boils down to -
I can vote twice
I was lurking (semi-unavodably, but for the purposes of this lets just say lurking)
I could be scum

Its a solid case much like my case on Gorrad on page 1/2

[Porochaz]

Case (in a way that don't rhyme none):
2. Defending posting while drunk- while not neccesarily a terrible idea, alcohol (known to impair reasoning) is certainly not an ideal influence to be under. Also, should you make a mistake, you could retroactively blame it on inebrity.

I have a name for myself as the biggest drunk on site. Probably not the best name but I dont see how you can use this point against me when I have posted frequently drunk before and will more than likely do so again. I have never used my drunkeness as a defence, apart from anything else it would be a shit one at that.

3. Lurking. Hard. Others are doing it too, that's like telling a cop 'But everyone else was driving fifteen MPH above the speed limit'.

It still negates your very minor point anyway. Everyones lurking but lets call Prozac scum and noone else. A cops job is to stop everyone driving 15 mph over the speed limit, not tail one person. Also Gorrad I thought you were more experienced than to take lurking as a scumtell.

4. Now that he IS posting, all he's said is that he didn't understand how his role was a danger and that he was, in fact, intentionally lurking.

Please tell me where I said that. I am very aware what problems a doublevoter could have to the game. I was also saying I had a reason. Which to clarify in short was I was essentially LA I went into the games that immediately concerned me. Unfortunetly a popcorn claim does not. Even more unfortunate was I couldnt get the time for this game afterwards now I do and Im rectifying as such. Which leads onto...

5. He has contributed nigh-nothing to the game.

I have answered the questions asked of me. I have placed a vote, I have stated WHY Ive placed a vote. I am stuck in this rut with you now where you are trying to stick a case to me with absolutely nothing. The big thing thats happening at the moment is you trying to lynch me based on what is essentially lurking and non contributing. I think my actions of late are proving you very wrong. Do you expect me to ignore what your saying and carry on with a random road of enquiry when I actually think your scum. I think that would be counter intuitive.

6. If he's scum and we don't lynch him, we lose.

And if I am town and you lynch me you could lose a dozen of different ways, not least you could gain my role as scum and win. Obviously your point below contradicts that. Theres a number of ways this could work out. Even if I was scum, and yos doesnt kill (I believe he said that already) then technically town still have a chance of winning. Thats to say you are even telling the truth, how would anybody know until its too late?

With so much lurking going on, it would be really easy for scum to just not post. Malyss and Plum, I'm looking at y'all! Porochaz isn't off the hook because he's only been active because I've been acusing him, but Yos is looking a lot better considering he's actually saying something.

well done for adding that bit after somebosies said something.

[Porochaz]

I don't travel the site outside games much, so I know nothing about your drunk reputation. I'll take it at your word.

Try any other game as well.

I'm calling you out as scum because at least when they did post, Plum and Malyss contributed. Lurking isn't a scumtell at times (flameaxe, for example), but in a mini where the next day could be LYLO and there's an opportunity to contribute and someone's knowingly not doing so, I find that scummy.

/headdesk

List your contributions before post 291. I want to see it, seriously.

What? Im freely admitting I havent contributed much, now your wanting me to list it. Im so confused, i think you must be as well.

I said that there was a sure chance because I didn't want to give my role. Now that I've been forced, I'll tip my hand. I took JK. If I hadn't, they could have gone for Hasd and had a 100% shot of win (keep in mind that Bad Horse's ability only works for people targetting Malyss). Now I've managed to make it so that that chance's reduced, but there's still a HIGH chance that they'll find a way around it. You, Ruck, can protect yourself. Malyss has a chance to be able to. Hasd's protect would kill himself, so if he's town we can't rely on that. That leaves my JK as our ONLY chance to survive if we mislynch today someone other than Porochaz.

Of course thats if your town, which I severely doubt.

[Porochaz]

Im saying since Ive come back I have been taking a majority of my time within this game. I havent been back long but Im hoping Im able to keep my activity up.

[Porochaz]

Extremely busy, will be back before deadline, hopefully if people have made post, Ill be able to make a post tonight

[Porochaz]

Is that a general question or just to cow?

[Porochaz]

Gorrad.

[Porochaz]

Apparently I have discovered this...

I am drunk.
I do my best scumhunting whilst drunk
Gorrad is scum.

Therefore I win and Gorrad is scum. I want to kniow where Glork is.

[Porochaz]

PLUM!!! I see you.

[Porochaz]

I have a theory... its one that I usually wouldnt put to much thought into but I feel it needs to be said or restated in a blunt way. Gorrad is lying, he has not used his role to get jailkeeper by lynching me then taking my double vote he gets an easier win. Now that is possible. Taking reasons on case into account, I have singled out for lurking, now I am not. I am a doublevoter. There is a good chance Gorrad if scum will take it tomorrow. Hence you will be likely to lose. If I am town and Gorrad is town then you are going to need me for tomorrow, because I think essentially one of us is going to be the lynch today, however I actually have no qualms at changing to MS. Most of Gorrads posts early day 2 have generally been scummy, his vote for me based on lurking and then continuing to harass me about it after it was done are all in my opinion signs of a much stronger case.

[Porochaz]

Alternatively, vig someone you think is scum, that way if your town we might actually have a chance of winning the game.

[Porochaz]

Do we know this, Glork hasnt been around, hasnt given votecounts or warnings etc. possibly an idea to wait and see what happens...

[Porochaz]

Time for the replaced players to vote methinks.

[Porochaz]

Edit: or even just the non voting players

[Porochaz]

cow? Plum? Fancy contributing. Mith can we get a prod on these players, thanks.

[Porochaz]

Hi there. Letting you know I know its day. If you have questions for me let me know, Im also looking out at anything that interests me. Gorrads jailkeep of me comes as no suprise.

[Porochaz]

Why did you target has?

[Porochaz]

Im starting to get the horrid feeling Gorrad isnt scum. You guys have gone on the assumption that it must be one of us and we both have gone on about how its each other. Lynch me, by all means if you think Im scum but before someone hammers, consider the possibility that you may be giving scum an easy ride.

[Porochaz]

If I vote before you lynch me, I will vote for who I think is scum. Not before.

[Porochaz]

and if yos2 is scum? Unlikely but still a possibility we should take into account,

[Porochaz]

Ok, since like 3 people who should know better have suggested they think I might be scum:

Yesterday, there were 2 votes on Gorrad and 2 votes on Porochaz. If I was scum, they would have both been town, and I could easily have pushed the lynch either way by supporting one wagon or the other. If Gorrad was town and I had pushed for Gorrad to be lynched, then there would have been 2 scum last night, and between the scum kill and my vig kill, since town would have had no way to prevent either one with Gorrad dead, scum would have won last night.

If I was scum, the game would be over now. Instead, I caught a different scum, someone no one else suspected at all, and ran him up to a lynch.

Thats true, I still havent rules you out but for the purposes of where we are just now I think I have to. As for Empking, yep Im getting very bad vibes from him especially the conversation at the top of the page. I want to compare both him and Gorrad before I vote for either. I also want has and Plum to post more.

[Porochaz]

vote empking

[Porochaz]

I disagree. I think it would be better if Empking was lynched tonight and then have yos kill me or you off. (Probably me for my double vote)

[Porochaz]

Ok I can understand why your lynching me. It probably is the best strategy at the moment considering Im not going to undeniably prove I am not scum today. Remember hasdgfas and Plum though. They have been awfully quiet today, particularly has. Now I am obv not going to hammer as town. I will let someone else do that, but felt it appropriate to remind you of them two plus my current thoughts. Empking is the last scum in my books.