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[AndyTony]

Again, that's just wordplay.

I can't see how you're still insisting there's a difference between a 'random' vote and a 'non-serious' vote.

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yes,

they were joke/random/non-serious

. So no, we weren't on the same page.

Again - - When you said they were not joke votes in the strictests sense - - did that not equate to when I said they were not random, yet not serious?

That's closer to what I actually said, but this is the first time you've actually properly touched onto it.

Are you aware that it's you who isn't understanding?

I'm telling you that I AGREE that the words are THE SAME - -

I made it VERY CLEAR - - I said that there was more than one person on the first page who made votes that were not random, YET NOT SERIOUS - - What I'm saying, honey, is that I didn't say anything to instigate the semantic argument that I proved Emp started.

Did you even bother to read the post where I showed you my quote - - where I say a vote that isn't a joke, doesn't fall back onto serious? Where I MADE that distinction IMMEDIATELY - and Emp was the one who RIGHT AFTER that post started a confusing semantic battle? - - did you not bother to read it?
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I'm pretty well ashamed of everyone on this board who truly believes there's a case of me being SCUM - - there's nothing on me. I have NEVER encountered such ridiculous rationalization on this board, this is the first time something like this has happened, and I could now care less for this game.

I'm cop. Can we get this the fuck over with now, so that the whole town can see that "honey" over here should really GET A CLUE before she puts it in her name.

Vote : AndyTony

Fuck this town - I hate stupid people

[AndyTony]

After my death is finalized - - my call is that Uncle Pain is scum - he was opportunistic

Emp's case was crushed by me in an earlier post - - both his points of evidence -- yet he had me at L-1 with little to nothing.

And Clu could just be some idiot chick out to feel powerful and smart in the way her cubicle friends don't give her credit for around the water cooler. - - or scum.

[ekiM]

What the fuck? Why in the world would you self-hammer as cop? Self hammering as town is already breaking the site rule of playing to your win condition. Self hammering while claiming cop is just dumb; you wouldn't have been lynched after claiming unless there was a counter claim.

It doesn't matter that you're frustrated, that is not an excuse for behaving like a child and throwing your toys out of the pram. It's pretty damn ironic that you're calling everyone stupid while performing the worst play move I've seen since joining this site. You've let yourself get worked up and done the scum's job for them. That's terrible play.

And Clu could just be some idiot chick out to feel powerful and smart in the way her cubicle friends don't give her credit for around the water cooler.

I shouldn't have to point out why your misogynistic bullshit is inappropriate and deeply unpleasant. Please don't play with me ever again.

[Uncle Pain]

WHAT THE HELL AndyTony! So now you proved you’re town by lynching yourself. And at the same time you hurt town by lynching yourself. Although you’re the cop?! What is wrong with you? I was mistaken, so were the other two – but did you really have to show it this way? Can’t you play sensibly?

Duh, one townie gone because he lost his nerves. That’s not how I want to play Mafia.

[Clu]

Um. Wow.

Don't you think it would have been a better idea to actually make a proper claim instead of going 'Yeah I'm the cop, screw you'?

To be honest, that's really just quite petulant and pretty immature. As was said by the others, that play only hurts the town, especially as you're the cop.

Other than that, I'm not touching anything else you said with a 10-foot pole.

[Empking]

Do people honestly believe him?

I'd rather we drop this before the real Cop (Or other role) reveals himself.

[Clu]

He's already dead Empking, it isn't as if we can remove our votes (that was the lynching vote, remember?)

[Empking]

He's already dead Empking, it isn't as if we can remove our votes (that was the lynching vote, remember?)

Yes that doesn't mean we have to reveal who the real cop is to AT's scum buddy.

[Uncle Pain]

Empking

: Hmm, I understand your point, giving his own life to reveal the cop… but there are two strong points against it: firstly, it all depends on the timing of the self-vote in comparison to Spolium’s reaction to it (Dusk/Night). Secondly, there’s only a 50% chance that we have a cop at all. I consider it too risky to pull off such a trick. But I agree with you: just in case, let’s wait until Day 2. We lose nothing by doing so.

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AndyTony

: I can’t stop shaking my head… If you don’t have the will to play this game properly (which includes defending as good as possible,

especially

when being at L-1, and also includes playing for your team, not against it!), you shouldn’t join in the first place.

[Empking]

Empking

: Hmm, I understand your point, giving his own life to reveal the cop… but there are two strong points against it: firstly, it all depends on the timing of the self-vote in comparison to Spolium’s reaction to it (Dusk/Night). Secondly, there’s only a 50% chance that we have a cop at all. I consider it too risky to pull off such a trick. But I agree with you: just in case, let’s wait until Day 2. We lose nothing by doing so.

There's 100% chance that there's someone who's role makes AT's claim definately false. (Unless he really is the cop.)

[Uncle Pain]

Indeed, thanks for pointing that out. I begin to realize that his setup indeed is very interesting and not as “easy” as I thought when I signed up for it.

Now if our beloved mod came back from his V/LA…

[fuzzylightning]

Emp, how is there a 100% chance of that?

[Spolium]

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Final Vote Count

L-0

AndyTony (

Clu, Empking, Uncle Pain, AndyTony

)

L-3

Empking (

fuzzy

)

L-4

Uncle Pain (

AndyTony

,

AndyTony

)

L-4

Clu (

Uncle Pain

)

L-4

fuzzylightning (

maadneet

)

L-4

ekiM (

Empking

)

L-4

maadneet

With 7 alive, it took

4

to lynch.
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"I'M THE GODDAMNED

COP

, YOU IDIOTS!"

AndyTony pulls out his badge and waves it angrily at the town. Before anyone has a chance to say anything he thrusts it at the ground in disgust, climbs up the hangin' tree, fixes the noose to a nice high branch with a pleasant view, pops his head through, flips off the puzzled looking group below and lets himself drop. The town tries calling the police station but the phone rings out.

The conclusion is unmistakable.

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AndyTony

(

COP

) is

DEAD!

Night 1

has arrived!

DEADLINE FOR NIGHT ACTIONS:

Monday 11th May 2009, 00:00 UTC (click here for countdown)

[Spolium]

It is generally uncomfortable for anyone to witness, upon opening their curtains to catch the morning sunlight, the sight of a man's intestines torn asunder and strewn about the lawn (having apparently been shoved into a conveniently positioned woodchipper). The result, apparently achieving the desired effect, greets the town this morning.

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ekiM

(

VANILLA TOWN

) is

DEAD!

PhilyEc

replaces

maadneet

.

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Day 2

has arrived!

DEADLINE FOR NIGHT ACTIONS:

Monday 28th May 2009, 00:00 UTC (click)

[PhilyEc]

Hey town, I replaced in and got alot of time to catch up on the game. Looks like three people were applying too much pressure on Andy which made him go temporarily insane and kill himself off. Many many scum tells though so he might've helped.

Looking at who ekiM suspected is another avenue to take towards finding scum for today. Quick re-read of his cases might help players who are drawing blanks.

[Uncle Pain]

PhilyEc

: Welcome aboard! I hope you’ll be more active than maadneet. Can you please elaborate which scumtells you found about AndyTony? IIRC, there was no consensus about which of his actions were actually scummy.

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fuzzylightning

:

Emp, how is there a 100% chance of that?

If any of the power roles had claimed, AndyTony’s scumbuddy would have known the setup plus one power role (the claiming one).

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To be honest, I’m at a loss now. Having re-read the thread, I realized that the whole Day 1 discussion focused so much on AndyTony that I can hardly find any tells (whether scum or town) on anyone else. Since ekiM’s first post (#8) I had a townish feeling about him but he’s gone; Clu also made some good points; fuzzylighting is neutral on my scumdar; Empking looks no odder than usual; and since maadneet was a complete null tell to me because of his flakiness, I’m curious to see how PhilyEc will evolve.

So we’re in LYLO now. We need discussion, guys. I’ll try to start with some questions:

• Do you think scum was on the wagon?
  
• Do you think AndyTony had some valid points?
  
• Who do you currently suspect most?

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Mod: The thread topic is not up to date.

Good thing I rarely look at the topic but at the name of the last poster.

YOU SAW NOTHING.

[PhilyEc]

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To be honest, I’m at a loss now. Having re-read the thread, I realized that the whole Day 1 discussion focused so much on AndyTony that I can hardly find any tells (whether scum or town) on anyone else. Since ekiM’s first post (#8) I had a townish feeling about him but he’s gone; Clu also made some good points; fuzzylighting is neutral on my scumdar; Empking looks no odder than usual; and since maadneet was a complete null tell to me because of his flakiness, I’m curious to see how PhilyEc will evolve.

Well to me it looks like Andy is to blame. He put town into a situation where applying pressure on the towns cop became a town trait. Everyone joined in on the persecution including yourself thus scum have slipped past the radar and into the crowd of those who cared to disagree with Andy's take on things (huge semantics issue occured)

What we have to look for are the people who focused more on the semantics and less on using this attention on him to make him seem scummy. The opportunistic comments from yesterday will find us our scum.

[PhilyEc]

Do you think scum was on the wagon?

Yes

Do you think AndyTony had some valid points?

No, he made it easy for the scum trying to make him fry.

Who do you currently suspect most?

Empking, but thats always the case for me. He was on Andy from the beginning and seemed to slip away from the debate as things turned ugly for Andy. Seems like he took advantage and let town tear Andy apart. I don't remember Empking making 'opportunistic' moves though which makes me doubt my own suspicion as such a move is more of a scumtell in my opinion.

Basically Im drawing blanks but plan to re-read tonight.

[Clu]

I think AndyTony might well have just brought a whole bunch of townies onto him, but I'm not ruling out scum being there. In that case, apart from AndyTony himself, I think at least two of the people voting for him were town.

AndyTony did have a couple of valid points, but he made them midway through the post in which he killed himself. Not exactly helpful, I have to say...

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I don't think Empking is scum.
Have no read on PhilyEc because maadneet gave us literally nothing.
I'm not sure about either fuzzylightning or Uncle Pain... I don't know whether Uncle Pain was trying to lead a strong attempt to lynch a townie or if fuzzylightning was deliberately keeping on the sidelines because he felt the lynch was already there.

Either way, I suspect one or the other of those two is scum (possibly both)

[Empking]

Empking, but thats always the case for me. He was on Andy from the beginning and seemed to slip away from the debate as things turned ugly for Andy. Seems like he took advantage and let town tear Andy apart. I don't remember Empking making 'opportunistic' moves though which makes me doubt my own suspicion as such a move is more of a scumtell in my opinion.
.

I'm I right in thinking that you think I'm scum because I scum hunted early but I didn't push it to heavily which would've gave scuim an excuse in the case that I was wrong?

I don't think AT has a point, his main argument was that people were suspicious of him and even he thought AT should be hammered.

[PhilyEc]

Empking, but thats always the case for me. He was on Andy from the beginning and seemed to slip away from the debate as things turned ugly for Andy. Seems like he took advantage and let town tear Andy apart. I don't remember Empking making 'opportunistic' moves though which makes me doubt my own suspicion as such a move is more of a scumtell in my opinion.
.

I'm I right in thinking that you think I'm scum because I scum hunted early but I didn't push it to heavily which would've gave scuim an excuse in the case that I was wrong?

I don't think AT has a point, his main argument was that people were suspicious of him and even he thought AT should be hammered.

Its first glance thoughts, nothing to deserve a vote.

[Clu]

fuzzy, you got anything to share right now?

[Empking]

I don't think we should mass claim.

Any dissenters?

[PhilyEc]

I don't think we should mass claim.

Any dissenters?

Eh? Why're you asking? Mass claims are last resorts right?

[fuzzylightning]

Empking, why do you want a mass claim?

I apologize for needing a prod, but just moved out and drove home, expect a better post on Monday, got a lot to do for Mother's Day