Mafia 98 - Apennine Mafia (Game Over)

[SensFan]

Christ, guys. Stop spamming this thread, and let's agree on a fucking lynch.

Mastin or Alex should be lynched.
Jammer and Benmage lynches would be fine as well.
People who aren't named's lynch wouldn't affect this game, since they aren't posting. They probably shouldn't be lynched, but its better than nothing.
Perhaps surprisingly, I don't like a GIEFF lynch anymore, but will support if if needed.
I don't like a Zach lynch at all.
I will only vote BM/Camn/KMD/Sens at a deadline, to avoid a No Lynch.

Edited, since I forgot Zach.

[jammer]

@Zach, I think the only thing Gieff meta data said was, Cephrir says little regardless of allignment. Just a little more as town...
Calling it a towntell for only posting "prodded posting tomorrow"?

FTR: Zach, I will vote Mastin today, or Mastin must do a epic change of turns. But atleast Cephrir and bcc should post or be replaced after they had a prod. And I await that.

[Kmd4390]

Christ, guys. Stop spamming this thread, and let's agree on a fucking lynch.

Mastin or Alex should be lynched.
Jammer and Benmage lynches would be fine as well.
People who aren't named's lynch wouldn't affect this game, since they aren't posting. They probably shouldn't be lynched, but its better than nothing.
Perhaps surprisingly, I don't like a GIEFF lynch anymore, but will support if if needed.
I will only vote BM/Camn/KMD/Sens at a deadline, to avoid a No Lynch.

Take out Benmage and I pretty much agree with this post completely.

[camn]

See, if I were camn, now alex would say "Hey GIEFF, I advise you to adjust your playstyle because people find it scummy."

Coaching, like this??:

I'm not claiming I need to meta camn... I don't have the will nor the time. I never metaed mastin either. You're the one who lives by and for mafia, it seems.

So next time, think of a better excuse than "I just need to meta them."

FTR.. I fully support a Mastin lynch now.
Or an alex lynch NOW.
I am OK with a Geiff lynch... simply to end the day.

Basically I STILL agree with Sensfan.

[GIEFF]

I am waiting for the following players to weigh in on the alex thing (and I apologize it got so long, I tried to limit it, but failed):

Kmd, Spyrex, jammer, and DDD

:

If you agree with an alex lynch, please vote for him now. This will allow players like Sens and Baltar, who are mainly interested in ending the day and moving on, to switch to alex, and we really CAN end the day. If not, then please say you won't, so I know when to stop trying to get an alex lynch through.


(KMD and jammer, you both have expressed a willingness to switch to alex, but haven't done so yet. If you don't in your next post, I will assume this means you will NOT switch, in the interest of moving forward).

[Zachrulez]

For Jammer.

A few questions of mine back on page 9 slipped through the cracks - here they are:




Sensfan - Top half of Post 219]

Battle Mage - Bottom half of Post 219] - do you still think Mastin is town?

Alex - Post 222


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Apparently, a lot of the games of Cephrir's wiki don't actually have Cephrir in them... does she have an alt I'm not aware of or something?

Here are the ones I did find:

[mrow]Game[col]Alignment[col]Posts / Day[col]1,000's of Chars / DayMini 564[col]Scum[col]1[col]0.5Mini 717[col]Scum[col]1.1[col]0.3Final Fantasy VII][col]SK[col]0.6[col]0.2Mafia 69[col]Town[col]0.5[col]0.2Mafia 82[col]Town[col]0.7[col]0.1Consulmaker[col]Town[col]0.3[col]0This Game[col]?[col]0.7[col]0.3


So from a meta standpoint, Cephrir actually lurks more as town than scum. I don't know how you can play averaging just a couple hundred characters a day, but it is what it is.

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An analysis of players who have voted for me:

jammer

jammer - Vote: GIEFF(Post 57)
jammer - Unvote: GIEFF Vote: Cephrir(Post 205)

Still not sure what you meant in post 57, jammer. You didn't follow up at all, really.

camn

camn - unvote Vote :GIEFF (Post 65)
camn - UNVOTE(Post 146)
camn - Vote : Gieff(Post 150)
camn - UNVOTE vote: Benmage(Post 305)

No real explanation from camn for two completely toothless votes.

VP Baltar

VP Baltar - Vote GIEFF(Post 113)
VP Baltar - Unvote, Vote: Mastin(Post 237)

Some explanation, based on me attacking jammer. But nothing after this.

Battle Mage

Battle Mage - Unvote, Vote: Alex Hans(Post 111)
Battle Mage - Confirm Vote: Alex(Post 143)
Battle Mage - Unvote, Vote: Gieff(Post 214)

This is my favorite. He unvotes Mastin because he is assuming alex is scum, which he claims means Mastin is certainly town. He CONFIRMS this vote. And then switches to me, ignoring the question about what this means about his feelings about Mastin's alignment. And, of course, no explanation whatsoever for his vote for me, although he provided oodles for alex.

SensFan

SensFan - Vote: GIEFF(Post 209)
SensFan - Unvote, Vote: Mastin(Post 270)

Claims it was because I misrepresented him. Ignored my response to this claim. No other follow-up before hopping on the Mastin-wagon.

Kmd4390

Kmd4390 - Unvote, Vote GIEFF(Post 320)

No explanation.



So, the question is - why would five separate players vote for me, most of whom do so without any decent reasoning (I believe Baltar and jammer's reasons, but they provide very little follow-up), and NONE of whom do so strongly thinking I am scum (as evidenced by their lack of pressure and subsequent switches off of me).

Or is this all just a coincidence?

[Kmd4390]

I'll vote Alex if he has more votes than Mastin.

[VP Baltar]

Or, all the people who are saying they would vote mastin could simply do it and this day could be done within the hour. He's at what, L-3 right now? Something like that.

Zach, Sens, jammer--little help please.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I am waiting for the following players to weigh in on the alex thing (and I apologize it got so long, I tried to limit it, but failed):

Kmd, Spyrex, jammer, and DDD

:

If you agree with an alex lynch, please vote for him now. This will allow players like Sens and Baltar, who are mainly interested in ending the day and moving on, to switch to alex, and we really CAN end the day. If not, then please say you won't, so I know when to stop trying to get an alex lynch through.

Mastin is both closer to lynch and a better lynch, my vote stands.

[alexhans]

GIEFF... what happens if Mastin, Camn and I are town? and you were REALLY REALLY wrong?

I'm gonna let the remaining players to say what they think about Battle Mage and me, AND WHY (hint KMD, frigging HINT) before I decide if I need to vote for Mastin or not.

MOD: Please. Find a replacement for Cephir. He is clearly NOT playing and will hurt the game. It will already be a lot of pain to read all this

Second, make this a LONG night so the replacement gets a chance to read this and people who need to catch up or re-read are able to do so.

Thanks

[GIEFF]

Mastin is at L-5 (voted by DDD, Baltar, and KMD). alex is at L-6 (voted by me and Battle Mage)

KMD: your vote is the difference between Mastin being closer to a lynch and alex. All you have to do is switch, and the world will come following after. The glory is yours for the taking, KMD. Can you taste it?

[Zachrulez]

Mastin is at L-5 (voted by DDD, Baltar, and KMD). alex is at L-6 (voted by me and Battle Mage)

KMD: your vote is the difference between Mastin being closer to a lynch and alex. All you have to do is switch, and the world will come following after. The glory is yours for the taking, KMD. Can you taste it?

Unvote: Vote: Mastin

[Zachrulez]

You're also ignoring Benmage and Camn, who are willing to lynch Mastin.

[Zachrulez]

And who should change their votes back to Mastin at this point.

[Zachrulez]

VP: I demand pictures of you painting yourself purple.

[jammer]

I don't intend to replace people without their consent unless they disappear completely.

Yaw isn't going to replace someone just on request.

So my suggestion is, everyone be silent unless you have something usefull to make it easier catching up. Let them pick up the prods and post in thread or they let themselfs be replaced. I will be voting Mastin after they both(ceph and bcc) posted something.

[GIEFF]

Cephrir's last on-site post was in this game, three days ago.
bcc's last on-site post was in this game, three days ago.

They are not avoiding this game, they are just simply not active on the site. You may have a while to wait, jammer.

[jammer]

Reminds me,

@Yaw, how much time do you give players to pick up a prod. Before you replace them?

[SpyreX]

Good god this game.

I vote when the lurkers say something.

You're sayin I'm lurking? Reaaly? Sweet.

As for this whole Alex-Mastin business:

Mastin has opted to even with his "limited access" post 9 times on site in different games on Jul 23rd alone.

So, to hell with two days. This ends now.

Unvote, Vote: Mastin

[camn]

Come on, Ben!! Lets do it!!
I am feeling bloodthirsty!

[GIEFF]

You're sayin I'm lurking? Reaaly? Sweet.

Over-defensive much?

He was talking about bcc and Cephrir.

unvote

Vote Mastin

Boo to everyone who claimed to support an alex lynch but didn't follow through.

[VP Baltar]

jammer, the best thing you can do for Ceph and BCC is to vote Mastin and end the day so pages will stop being added and they can actually catch up. This game has elephantiasis, and it is ridiculous to expect people to catch up with 3-6 pages added daily. I doubt their comments at this point would be worthwhile or change your feelings on Mastin.

Just vote.

I am feeling bloodthirsty!

That's the camn we all know and love.

@ Zach

I was also going through my Hulkamania phase at that time. Little did I know that Macho Man Randy Savage was actually going to kiss me on the mouth when I dared him to. I haven't felt the same way about pro-wrestling since that day.

[SpyreX]

Actually he was referring to his vote on me as far as I can tell from the flow of that conversation.

When someone justifies a vote based on moon-logic, well.

[Benmage]

@VPB/DDD What are your opinions on Gieff? Are you willing to lynch him today?

I'm more than happy to lynch Mastin, but as long as his wagon continues to derail, and as long as Gieff is intent to keep it from happening, I am happy to vote for him instead.

QFT

Do I have any chance of opening your eyes before tomorrow about BM? because I'm almost willing to vote mastin provided that Yaw guarantees us a LONG night and a replacement for Cephir who is damaging this game greatly.

And BCC?

After over 1000 posts I can not believe that Mastin has not been lynched yet.

What does the inability to get support for his lynch say about his alignment? I mean... seriously?

It is quite comical.

GIEFF, I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you are making it somewhat difficult for this game to move forward. Arriving at a concensus now would be a good thing for the town. There is a lot of information to be garnered from a Mastin lynch, and it will eliminate a lurker. There is not a downside to this.

Indeed, I think we had 6, and we’re getting real close to lynching Mastin before Gieff completely derailed it. I think you should vote him.

I have played with Cephrir once and he was scum. He lurked, but he would check into the game every now and then in order to steer the town toward mislynching. This is something that he is not doing in this game, and I think is somewhat notable.

Lurkers have lost me games in the past. And what meta would you give him if he came flying in on D3 or on a lylo with crazy accusations. Than we go w.t.f and lynch him cause he was lurking all game, and bam he flips town. I’d rather lynch the useless lurker D1/D2 or have them replaced than let them last to endgame.

I'm really surprised at how much resistance there is to alex's lynch, considering how many people said "it's alex or mastin guys," and considering that 9 players put alex on their scum-list.

Some of those people just had him in their possible scum suspects, of which you were often included.

Perhaps surprisingly, I don't like a GIEFF lynch anymore, but will support if if needed.

Check.

Or, all the people who are saying they would vote mastin could simply do it and this day could be done within the hour. He's at what, L-3 right now? Something like that.

Zach, Sens, jammer--little help please.

I’m willing to hammer it. And by that I mean Camn probably would, so an L-2 on Mastin will = a hammer from us. I’m with this day needing to end. I’d like to re-read a few people in Iso, and think a Night phase will give us a needed pause, and some new information on the morning.

And who should change their votes back to Mastin at this point.

Ugh, but wouldn’t a Gieff lynching be so much funnier.

Come on, Ben!! Lets do it!!
I am feeling bloodthirsty!

Can you vote with me all-game. It’s like I’ve become a PR in an all town game!

[Benmage]

oh rightttt... Unvote

Vote Mastin