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[Adel]

in the post-game of Mini 802 you posted:

After the lynch, I thought Konowa was the Godfather, Jahudo the Arsonist.

I (unintentionally) played 100% to my scum meta and survived .

what was your scum meta that you played 100% to?

[Budja]

Rarely posting and fairly poor analysis because I could not see anyone as very scummy.
Basically bad play that has had me lynched day 1 two games as scum.

I'm not entirely sure if it is my meta as I have played scum games without this but that was my first game as town where I felt I couldn't see anyone strongly as scum.

[Budja]

Now I can answer your questions but could you also post your opinions on Sens now or at tell me why not.

[Adel]

one more question: why were you lynched on day 1 of Mini 764?

[Adel]

I'm not willing to let Sens get lynched today. I do not think he is scum.

[Budja]

Yes, thats one of the games.

I had no suspicions. I left my random vote on for a long time and when finally questioned. I couldn't really come up with anything. There were a few scum-slips too but that's what I believe mainly lead to my lynch.

[Adel]

what were the scum slips?

[Budja]

I think I defended a townie from a strong bandwagon which made people think they were town and I was a scum-defending-a-townie.

I am not going to read over that game again now to find more .

[Adel]

Theres not a lot to analyse there.

those posts I posted are numbered from 1 to 29. Where do those posts numbers fit in with the main game thread?

For example, when I posted "scot calling OMGUS on you is bullshit." what was the number of the last game post in this thread?

[Budja]

I had to do a bit of time conversion but I think it was 378?
So whats your point?

[Adel]

you didn't already have that figured out before you posted your "analysis"?

[Budja]

Nope .

[Adel]

try it, so that you are reading them within the context of the main thread, rather than just as a collection of posts.

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what do you think of scot pushing for the lynch of a person who had (as far as he knew) a 50% chance of being a tracker?

[Adel]

also, what do you think of scot posting

Vote: SensFan

Not only are you taking what FL said out of context (he wished there was a random voting stage because the game was stalled), you have ignored Ren Hoek. Instead of explaining why the points agianst Fl are "solid" (they aren't, btw) you try to turn it against him.

when he had also ignored Ren Hoek?

[scotmany12]

Um, where did I ignore Ren Hoek?

[Adel]

are you just lurking and posting only when you name comes up?

[scotmany12]

are you just lurking and posting only when you name comes up?

I'm clearly not lurking. Now answer my question.

[Adel]

you are clearly trying to keep a low profile.

Um, where did I ignore Ren Hoek?

other than

Scottyscum giving powers to the scum would be a major drawback to the game, as we'd be wasting tracking results on players that will mislead us.

If scot is scum, and gives power to the scum, what power should we let him hand out? Just a theoretical mafia question.

Not only are you convinced that I am scum, for some reason you assume there is scum on the creative department, something that no one but scum would know about. Hmmmm.

which was quite ealry in the game, and which you failed to follow up on, and

I have a strong reason to believe Ren Hoek is town. Everyone voting for him needs to explain what they think about the self-vote.

There is no reason why anyone voting for Ren should change their mind because of the self vote. It is a null tell; it does not prove he is town, nore does it prove that he is scum.

I'm not really buying the whole thing against fl right now.

you haven't commented on Ren's probable alignment or the case against him.


but you did comment on Sensfan ignoring Ren. Where did Sens ignore Ren, and how did he ignore Ren in a way that you did not?

[Adel]

unvote, vote:Goatrevolt

look at his last three posts in this game, and http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... Goatrevolt to see why

[Goatrevolt]

unvote, vote:Goatrevolt

look at his last three posts in this game, and http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... Goatrevolt to see why

Yeah, yeah. I'm frankly unmotivated to catch up in this game right now. In a few days to a week I will have vastly more time to dedicate.

I don't see any point in waiting longer to reveal this, though:

I was the bus driver. I drove from Scot to Seraphim. The scum didn't try to kill Seraphim in hopes of being driven to a higher priority target, they tried to kill Scot and had it driven to Seraphim.

I'm pretty sure FL is scum based on his reaction. He took the stance of "I don't know why the scum would kill the weakest link." From a townie mindset of "why would the scum kill Seraphim" the assumptions would be that 1. Either they tried to kill a high priority target and had it driven to Sera, or 2. They killed Sera in hopes it would be driven back to a high priority target. As scum that made the kill, though, I could see FL floundering to answer that question correctly. He didn't understand why the scum would target Sera, because the scum didn't target Sera, and he didn't think of killing Seraphim from a townie mindset because he isn't a townie.

I haven't read through the reasons people are suspicious of SensFan, yet, but based on his early interactions with FL, I'm guessing he's town by association.

[TDC]

tracker doesn't get results until end of day. Tracker should not claim until after he gets results.

What changed from this to your decision to reveal yourself?

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scotmany: Now that everything's revealed, mind sharing why you chose which group to do what?

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GR: Did you talk with your partner about your choice?

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I can't see scum taking what amounts to a 50/50 chance of killing one of their own, so unless GR is scum, scot is probably town.

Also, since they knew he would be busdriven with an accountant but did it anyway, it must've seemed unlikely for them to be busdriven (again, assuming GR to be town).
So either all accountants are town, or someone felt pretty good about not being selected. Not sure about the others, but I think the risk was significant for Ren there.

[Goatrevolt]

GR: Did you talk with your partner about your choice?

No. I took the role as soon as I saw it, and didn't discuss my choice.

So either all accountants are town, or someone felt pretty good about not being selected. Not sure about the others, but I think the risk was significant for Ren there.

I agree. That was my reasoning for thinking Ren was town earlier. By shooting Scot he would have taken a giant risk that the kill would be bus driven right back to him.

Adel: Why did you grab Tracker over the PGO? Also I dispute the assertion that the RB plan would have been better for scum than the tracker plan. It would only be worse if the RB was unwilling to take any kind of risks whatsoever.

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I'm not feeling the Sens wagon. I don't agree with his original reasons for voting FL, but I actually find that FL post scummy for a different reason. Directly stating that the purpose of your vote is only because the game is stalled and you want to fuel discussion weakens it entirely. If FL is scum then Sens is likely not, because Sens-scum could have easily sat on Ren Hoek and ignored the push on FL, rather than continue to assert pressure there.

FL: Would you have voted Seraphim in that scenario had the game not been stalled?

Budja strikes me as town thus far. Posts 5-7 in Iso, for example, fit the town-Budja meta.

Does anyone have a meta on Crywolf as town?

[Korts]

(4) Ren Hoek- Budja, Yosarian2, vollkan, SensFan

(2) SensFan- scotmany12, curiouskarmadog
(1) crywolf- TDC
(1) FaerieLord- Goatrevolt
(1) Budja- Ren Hoek
(1) Goatrevolt- Adel

not voting:

OhGodMyLife, FaerieLord, crywolf

7 to lynch

Deadline for Day 1 is 6PM EST August 4.

Activity check coming up.

[Korts]

FaerieLord has been prodded.

[FaerieLord]

FL: Would you have voted Seraphim in that scenario had the game not been stalled?

To answer that, no, on the basis that I rarely vote.