DeathRowKitty was V/LA, my bad... I missed it because it wasn't bolded... remember to try to at least direct the messages to me as MOD so I don't miss them...
DeathRowKitty's vote on IK was wrong from #15 onwards... I'm changing that right now.
- You can't really credit not being killed at Night to yourself; lol. Other players decide your fate in this game; you have very little control over it.don_johnson wrote:okay. at this point, would you say i am a worthwhile target for nk? by virtue of my playstyle i tend to avoid being killed at night. check my meta if you need to. by claiming the role but not divulging what it is makes it even less likely that i will be killed at night which makes it more likely that i will make a successful night action. kind of a trade off. and if scum nk's me and succeeds, well then, you will know exactly who and what i am. end result, no harm done.shrine wrote:Nothing good came from that, I hope you know. Disclosing which players have power roles helps scum in that they gain a better idea of which players are more worthwhile to target. If anyone is going to be hit at Night, we want it to be a Vanilla Townie. It gives the power roles more life and gives the Town, in general, an edge against scum.
What does IK's 385 have to do with you being scapegoat and me laying my case. I am not seeing the connection.hiphop wrote:You are wrong there, did you read what idk said in 385.
Because you don't want to get lynched? No, you can easily defend yourself without spurring a quotewar. I am not actually that stubborn of a person. Yes, I would, but you seem to think defending yourself would be futile because you think I'm being stubborn.hiphop wrote: Why should I try to defend myself to you? So that we can have another quotewar, basically saying that I made mistakes in the beginning, and should consent to the fact. I made it easy for you. I wasn’t going to argue my point to someone as stubborn as you. You wouldn’t change your mind anyways, especially concerning me.
1-2 is hardly a good measure or someone's ability. 3 games is not a good sample size. Trying to use my record for my play is a fairly bad argument, and sort of seems like bringing irrelevant information in to try and discredit my opinion and argument, aka sort of strawmanning. Many scumtells are not matters of opinion, they have been found to lead to scum more often than not. Granted, a single scumtell is fairly pointless, as even townies do scumtells. But an accumulation of scumtells is more indicative of scum, and voting patterns/analysis on top of that.hiphop wrote:No wonder you have a losing record as a townie. You always are waiting for scum to make a “scum tell”(which is a matter of opinion), when sometimes are not anymore scummy than the town.
Yes, I obviously don't use the same definition for FOS as the wiki. I rarely use FOS, but mainly do it when I am in the middle of a lengthy post and find something suspicious, and want to show it to the rest of the game. Something in bold saying FOS is much easier to notice for others than just, that's suspicious, when in a lengthy post. I actually CAN show you a game where I played in and used FOS as that sort of thing, and actually voted someone completely different. I made my replace-in post, it was lengthy, and FOS'd 3 people, and caught flak for it.DTMaster wrote:Since this might turn into an argument about interpretation of FoS, I want you to define how you use FoS and if you can meta link to show how you use FoS in the same way. It will clarify things here since I see FoS as more serious accusations (with more backing) then pointing out just one scum sign.
Yes, I concede the point that may be tunnelling on hiphop in that post and not looking more at paradox. But, save that little FOS, I have found paradox to be town.DTMaster wrote:
2. The reasoning behind why I stated that was: you did not pursue more on paradox. Reading the original post was reading your case on hiphop, more then your reasoning behind your FoS on paradox. (Like I said earlier, it wasn't clear since you combined so many ideas into one post). If you really felt that the FoS had some merit to it, you would point it out like your 404 and do some side scum hunting. To me this either reads as the following: tunneling on hiphop, ineffective scum hunting, or someone who doesn't want to push the paradox envelope because she is considered as non-suspicious.
It's an extremely hypothetical situation that leads to a lot of WIFOM and doesn't really give any relevant information, IMO. It seems like a subtle form of lining up lynches.DTMaster wrote:
3. What don't you like about DRK's 337?
I see your side of the argument, and had not ever really seen it like that.DTMaster wrote:
5. Um I disagree that townies should always be defensive to prevent a mislynch. When faced with a mistake or error, it is much better to admit to it then to try and defend that action. It just fuels the "defensiveness argument", which might lead into a "white lie", "overreactions" and "over analyzing situation".
And I have always felt that someone under attack can mount a defense, AND scumhunt.DTMaster wrote:
Besides one of the best defenses as a townie when faced with a strong case against them is to scumhunt and outline an offensive case as the defense (ie make a good case on someone else). Playing too defensively in that situation can be easily turned into scum's favour.
i'm actually still here and none of you has any idea what my role consists of. we haven't lost anything yet. so again: NO HARM DONE. the above statement seems to indicate you believe my claim, so what purpose does it serve to cast me in a poor light?shrine wrote:- Um, YES. Harm done. No good comes from losing a power role. <_<
don_johnson wrote:^^ this is against the rules.dtmaster wrote:I agree with the dangers of outing too many PRs on day 1 (in an ongoing game we lost a doc, a hider, and 2 lovers on day one .... lets just say the town isn't happy)
requesting modkill
ryan2754 wrote:What does IK's 385 have to do with you being scapegoat and me laying my case. I am not seeing the connection.hiphop wrote:You are wrong there, did you read what idk said in 385.
First of all your first accusations were answered before you even commented on them, thus you are stubborn. So I didn’t bother answering them. If you read what other people has asked me you would have seen that they were answered. Thus you are that stubborn for bringing up old questions.ryan2754 wrote: Because you don't want to get lynched? No, you can easily defend yourself without spurring a quotewar. I am not actually that stubborn of a person. Yes, I would, but you seem to think defending yourself would be futile because you think I'm being stubborn.
Why the Toro lynch, I thought you said you didn’t understand the case?ryan2754 wrote: I would be supportive of an IK, Toro, or hiphop lynch.
@Idk I would rather have it last to the last moment. You don’t have to play if you don’t want to. Ask for a replacement, or stick it out.Idiotking wrote:*sigh*
Looks like everybody's suspicious of me. Why don't you just get this damn thing over with and lynch me already?
Then Don's vote will beprovento be a bullshit vote, DRK and RC will be shown to be tunneling me (I admit I'm tunneling them, but that doesn't mean I don't still see them as scum), and a whole lot of info will be gained for the town.
Is this OK with everyone? I'm tired of going around and around with this.
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
I won't even be missed. Just end this stupidity, please.
You've got two votes on you and this prompts you to roleclaim? You are in no danger of being lynched atm!Idiotking wrote:*sigh*
Looks like everybody's suspicious of me. Why don't you just get this damn thing over with and lynch me already?
Then Don's vote will beprovento be a bullshit vote, DRK and RC will be shown to be tunneling me (I admit I'm tunneling them, but that doesn't mean I don't still see them as scum), and a whole lot of info will be gained for the town.
Is this OK with everyone? I'm tired of going around and around with this.
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
I won't even be missed. Just end this stupidity, please.
Fine.Idiotking wrote:*sigh*
Looks like everybody's suspicious of me.Why don't you just get this damn thing over with and lynch me already?
Then Don's vote will beprovento be a bullshit vote, DRK and RC will be shown to be tunneling me (I admit I'm tunneling them, but that doesn't mean I don't still see them as scum), and a whole lot of info will be gained for the town.
Is this OK with everyone? I'm tired of going around and around with this.
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
I won't even be missed. Just end this stupidity, please.
Zachrulez wrote:Fine.Idiotking wrote:*sigh*
Looks like everybody's suspicious of me.Why don't you just get this damn thing over with and lynch me already?
Then Don's vote will beprovento be a bullshit vote, DRK and RC will be shown to be tunneling me (I admit I'm tunneling them, but that doesn't mean I don't still see them as scum), and a whole lot of info will be gained for the town.
Is this OK with everyone? I'm tired of going around and around with this.
Roleclaim: Vanilla Townie
I won't even be missed. Just end this stupidity, please.
Vote: Idiot King
I won't even get into the stupidity of claiming with only 2 votes on you.
And our two active lurkers show up, when votes are needed.Toro wrote:I'm with Zach, it was a weird time to bring it up.
Vote: Idiotking