Mini 847 Murder in Zachtown (Game over!)

[Battle Mage]

Haylen

, if you continue to respond to trash, and ignore me, my vote will go on you too. Not that i think you are particularly scummy, but because i have an inferiority complex that supercedes the scumhunter within me.

BM

[Zachrulez]

7th vote count of day 2:

DTMaster - 3 (Yellowbunny, DTMaster, Nikanor)
hitogoroshi - 2 (Vi, JasonT1981)
JasonT1981 - 2 (Battle Mage, hitogoroshi)
Haylen - 1 (Sotty7)

Not voting (Haylen, Maemuki, KittyMo)

With 11 alive it's 6 to lynch.

If I made any mistakes, let me know asap.

[Battle Mage]

Unvote

[Nikanor]

Catching up and whatnot.

[Vi]

Mae, top three scum list please. Same question t

YO DAWG, I'M HAPPY FOR YOU, I'LL YET YOU FINISH, BUT VP BALTAR IS THE BEST SCUM OF ALL TIME -

OF ALL TIME!

Actually, I listed them in my question to Battle Mage - roughly in order. To that end I'm disappointed that Battle Mage has been ignoring me. Should we compare inferiority compleces?

I would like for Haylen to provide an answer to my question from 771, as I would hope it would take less thought power to answer versus a discussion on whether and how she enjois rope.

[DTMaster]

Mod: Just making a V/LA note since I'm swamped in homeworks. Will be back Friday/Saturday to post.

Sorry town. Analysis and responses will come later

[Zachrulez]

Mod: Just making a V/LA note since I'm swamped in homeworks. Will be back Friday/Saturday to post.

Sorry town. Analysis and responses will come later

Damn you school kids.

Noted at any rate.

[Haylen]

@ Haylen: When - if ever - did this game become serious?

About page 8.

What about Jason would make you think he is scum?
What about Jason would make you think he is town?

You dont need to look anything up. If you know your opinion on him has wavered, you must also know off the top of your head, WHY it has wavered.

Also, would you lynch Hito on gut instinct, despite having no real evidence of scumminess?

1. Instinct. It wobbles all over the place.
2. See above question.
3. I made the final vote in 3 player lylo based completely on instinct, having tunnelled another player all game and previously seen this player a very town. I lynched her, she was scum. I was very pleased. So yes, I would vote somebody entirely based on instinct.

[Sotty7]

Dear Haylen,

I understand how much it sucks when you are sick. I had the flu for like the last week it was awful trying to keep up with my five games yet I managed to drag myself out of bed and post

something

every day. For all I know you are sicker than I was but though out this whole game you have had one excuse or another as why you are not posting or not posting enough, it's getting out of hand. I am starting to believe it is nothing more than a distraction to actually sitting down and playing the game. I have seen very little scum hunting from you without your hand being held and it is because of this I am voting you. You are coasting in this game and I refuse to allow it any more. Especially since you are around and posting in other places. It makes me believe you have a reason to ignore this game.

Get well soon and if you are town please scum hunt some more.

Luv Sotty.

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Mae, top three scum list please. Same question t

YO DAWG, I'M HAPPY FOR YOU, I'LL YET YOU FINISH, BUT VP BALTAR IS THE BEST SCUM OF ALL TIME -

OF ALL TIME!

Actually, I listed them in my question to Battle Mage - roughly in order. To that end I'm disappointed that Battle Mage has been ignoring me. Should we compare inferiority compleces?

This game needs moar VP

Ah okay. I had little idea who you suspected after Hito, but your top three isn't too bad. What do you think of Haylen?

Haylen, I see you are suspicious of Jason. Top three scum suspects?

[Nikanor]

4) Nikanor is your entire basis of thinking I am scum based upon my grammar not being great? Or is there more? Why does your gut activate on people with bad grammar to make you think they are scum for this?

It's not that. My basis of thinking you are scum is pretty much based on gut, yes. My gut activates on people with bad grammar. There is a definite correlation here, but whether that correlation implies causality is another story. At the moment, I'm leaning toward an r of about 0.7.

I want to hear more from DTM, but I suppose we'll have to wait until Friday for that.
@DTM: What do you think of Jason and hito's crossvoting?

[yellowbunny]

mod: swamped in midterm grading, so V/LA through the weekend

Noted.

[Vi]

@ Haylen: When - if ever - did this game become serious?

About page 8.

Fair enough. Now when did your posting become serious?
The accusation that you haven't done anything all game is pretty well-founded.

What do you think of Haylen?

Unlike the four or five people I had to ask who was scum because they had basically stopped scumhunting, I didn't even have a clue where to begin with Haylen because she never started. She's basically active lurking. (Or in other words, what you said.)
More on this in a few.

mod: swamped in midterm grading, so V/LA through the weekend

That'll be me tomorrow

[jasonT1981]

Blagh, Zach and some others know about this already, but my ISP fucked up and I maybe cut off on Monday. so if I am not about I am V/LA due to bloody Pipex Homecall messing up my bill and trying to take too much damn money from my account.

[Maemuki]

@ Sotty,
Jason. Changed his mind completely....on the long span of one freaking post.

That's not how stuff works...

, is it?

Oh, and OMGUS. Hito voted for Jason, he voted for hito. For god's sakes, there's no way in hell everyone that suspects you will be scum.

Oh, oh, and following the (people that I think that are) town, on everything,

everything

they say? Isn't making you pro-town at all.

Haylen, not for lurking, but for parroting. Your gut activated by something, right? What was it?

The third....good question. I'll tell you when I find out. >.<

@ DTM, I like the fact that you started throwing the most ridiculous suspicions on me since YB said that you were "defending" me. I mean, making jokes is scummy? Didn't know that. Seems like you are making a crap case against me...and I don't like it!

@ Nikanor,

Maemuki would like for you to say who you suspect. Why? Because I didn't see them. >.<

@ Haylen,

1. Instinct. It wobbles all over the place.
2. See above question.

And why did your instinct activate? Just in case you missed the above.

[Zachrulez]

Mafiascum will be going offline at some point in the near future due to a much discussed move.

I will be extending the deadline for this game my the amount of time necessary to account for the downtime we will experience. (However long that ends up being.)

[DTMaster]

@Sotty

With my 794: Sorry I can't find the time to do that reread. :< Life piles up, etc etc. Back to back lab reports. I'm going to have to base my comments around what I can remember and the current posts.

I would call Jason scummy mainly because: he didn't unvote last day on Neto when I attacked him on this. I pointed out that all PR claims should be tested on day 2 onwards, he acknowledges this but doesn't move his vote. Maintaining on the doc wagon puts him as scummy to me.

@Jason
797:
1. Haylen and I had the lurking debate before the recent comments. I dislike your statement of her since to me this reads as: opportunistic. You even say that she is sick in this post and then give her the BOD next page.

2. Can you elaborate more on Hito's vote? You are treading on OMGUS territory here and I would like you to explain your full thoughts on Hit.

Sorry a few pages behind here. Posting right now since I need to finish some more HWs.

[Vi]

You even say that

[Haylen]

is sick in this post and then give her the BOD next page.

Why is it that everything I read that has to do with Haylen comes across in a Freudian context?

I would call Jason scummy mainly because: he didn't unvote last day on Neto when I attacked him on this. I pointed out that all PR claims should be tested on day 2 onwards, he acknowledges this but doesn't move his vote. Maintaining on the doc wagon puts him as scummy to me.

@Jason
UnCCed doctor. These reasons should be represented on Day 2, not today to lynch the unCCed doctor.

You make a good point, but I believe it could also be a scum ploy to out the real doctor.

@Jason
1 doc trade for 1 scum on day 1 or 2 seems excessive. :<

I don't understand this response in 642. Could you help me out here?

[jasonT1981]

@Jason
797:
1. Haylen and I had the lurking debate before the recent comments. I dislike your statement of her since to me this reads as: opportunistic. You even say that she is sick in this post and then give her the BOD next page.

The reason I am willing to give Haylen the benefit of the doubt is because I myself have been plagued by health problems that have affected my Mafia games as of late. One recently ended game that I will reference as it is now over...

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12385

I was also in a similar position to Haylen here, unable to post due to health reasons, You will see even at the beginning of this very game I was unable to post much... (I think 2 posts in first 10 pages) So that is the reason I will give her the benefit of the doubt on not partaking as actively as I know what it is like to be suffering health problems that can affect how we play. Even Sotty was not posting much for a while due to health reasons.

Health is one of the very few reasons I will give anyone the benefit of the doubt on when it comes to not posting in Mafia.

Hope that clears things up

2. Can you elaborate more on Hito's vote? You are treading on OMGUS territory here and I would like you to explain your full thoughts on Hit.

Really? I thought I fully explained things... guess you missed it but I will be glad to re-show you everything I posted regarding my Hito vote, and the lead up to it.

9)again a point and question directed at hitogoroshi, re post 773 where he voted for me.

Sorry for not posting. Because I had posted one page back I thought I was safe, I hadn't realized that that was all the way back on Wednesday. xD

So BM I am asking... infact no I am now DEMANDING you make a case against me and show how I am indeed 'confirmed scum and will be lynched today'

I demand your case NOW.. no more pussy footing, no more side stepping as you have done, I have asked many times, as have others. I DEMAND your case on me if I am confirmed scum.

Jason, his "case" is that you're more concerned with self-preservation than scumhunting and even when he's not starting a bandwagon you're simply yelling at the person attacking you rather than doing anything else. And that's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

vote: JasonT1981

Do you not feel me going after BM is scum hunting? Yes, while I admit I am trying to preserve myself in the game (anyone who has been declaired lynch of today would be in this situation) why do you feel the need to answer for BM, seems like coaching to me no?

And do you really believe that me defending myself (as you say, self preservation) is reason to vote me? Your vote seems very opertunistic to me

HOS: Hito

@ DTMaster re: post 778 request for List of suspected scum

BM – Obivious reasons outlined many times

Hito – his vote on me is very opportunistic, as well as him answering for BM, when I asked for BM's case. seems weird to me

@ hitogoroshi re post 789. what is the difference between lurking and not posting? You where following the thread but didnt feel there was enough to contribute? There is plenty that has been discussed, you are going up further in my scum list right now.

You also say scum like to justify there votes with reasons? Hmmm, I think voting without reasoning is more scummier. But thats just me. But then again, you then try to justify your vote as putting me at L-4 aas not putting me in lynch range, so you then are making yourself guilty of being scum are you not? At least according to your own theories?

Vi is right in post 790... complete drivel Hitos 791 seems he is trying to justify his voting again, something he says is what scum does in his last post? No?

Right now Hito has leapt up my scum-list and is sticking out like a sore thumb to me. BM, I am still thinking could be very likely scum, but it is his general cockiness of people should do as I say, and declaring people as today's lynch has me thinking that. Hito has been darn right scummy as of late.

unvote: BM
Vote: Hito

Apart from the vote being opportunistic, the fact he says only scum give reasons to justify their votes and then goes on to give reasons to justify his vote in his next post in a rambling as illustrated above. He is living right up to his own self described scum-tell

[hitogoroshi]

3. I made the final vote in 3 player lylo based completely on instinct, having tunnelled another player all game and previously seen this player a very town. I lynched her, she was scum. I was very pleased. So yes, I would vote somebody entirely based on instinct.

This post kind of bugs me. Just because something works once doesn't mean that it's been vindicated as a concept. This seems to suggest that'd you be comfortable posting once a day to vote, and that's it, because you have no real reasons to present and thus no rebuttals to your non-existent case to defend. More worryingly, this seems to be exactly what you're trying to get away with!

And Jason,

Apart from the vote being opportunistic, the fact he says only scum give reasons to justify their votes and then goes on to give reasons to justify his vote in his next post in a rambling as illustrated above. He is living right up to his own self described scum-tell.

Did you not notice my post directly under that post, 798? Do you have nothing different to say regarding your vote on me after reading that post?

[jasonT1981]

Did you not notice my post directly under that post, 798? Do you have nothing different to say regarding your vote on me after reading that post?

He asked for reasons FOR my vote.... 798 came AFTER my vote.

As for 798 itself I may have something in a bit, Im currently re-reading day 2 so far and suffering a major fucking hangover after 2 days of vodka and coke, and shots with 65% alcohol content.

[Sotty7]

I would call Jason scummy mainly because: he didn't unvote last day on Neto when I attacked him on this. I pointed out that all PR claims should be tested on day 2 onwards, he acknowledges this but doesn't move his vote. Maintaining on the doc wagon puts him as scummy to me.

Okay, I can agree with this actually. I can sympathize with the re-read fail. I still haven't found the time to re-meta Jason as of yet.

Jason: Do you think Hito is scum with BM?

[Haylen]

This post kind of bugs me. Just because something works once doesn't mean that it's been vindicated as a concept. This seems to suggest that'd you be comfortable posting once a day to vote, and that's it, because you have no real reasons to present and thus no rebuttals to your non-existent case to defend.

*shrugs* Why can't I use it as a concept? I always follow my instinct...you should learn that everybody plays on the site differently, we all have different playstyles ect. As long as it is consistant, I don't see primarily using ones instinct as a scumtell.

Why is it that everything I read that has to do with Haylen comes across in a Freudian context? Sad

Maybe me studying psychology has something to do with it .__. Or, maybe you're just thinking about me in a dirty way :p

Haylen, not for lurking, but for parroting. Your gut activated by something, right? What was it?

I'm not sure...his colours are different I know you probably wont have any idea what im talking about here, but I swear they're different.

Vote Nikanor

[Haylen]

PS. I dont have penis envy.
I also dont want anal.

This warranted a need for me to publicly announce.

[jasonT1981]

Jason: Do you think Hito is scum with BM?

I believe they are our best chance at hitting scum right now yes.

[jasonT1981]

PS. I dont have penis envy.
I also dont want anal.

This warranted a need for me to publicly announce.

I can only LOL at this reply