Mini 898: The Game (you just lost it)-OVER

[AlmasterGM]

/confirm

[AlmasterGM]

/confirm

O hai Almaster!

...seriously.

You have got to be friggin kidding me.

[AlmasterGM]

Hello everyone! Glad to see so many friendly people. I'm glad to be playing with almost all of you.

And by "almost all," I mean everyone except Peabody.

[AlmasterGM]

And by "almost all," I mean everyone except Peabody.

ROFL. Still have that grudge?

The fact that you flipped scum last game after I didn't hammer you just infuriates me even more.

No mistakes this time. Prepare to die.

[AlmasterGM]

Kill: Peabody.

[AlmasterGM]

Kill: Peabody.

You are scum. Only scum says "Kill: Peabody" and nothing else. DIE.

vote Almaster

Stupid RVS...

Why is that true?
Is that vote RVS or serious?
Why do you dislike the RVS?

Peabody, you may be in luck. I think I've found someone who annoys me more than you.

[AlmasterGM]

vote: AlmasterGM

for being a pokemon!

What do you think of RVS bandwagons?

Do you call it an RVS bandwagon if its L-2 already?

Wow, I'm at L-2?

Impressive. If there isn't at least 1 scum on this wagon right now I'd be shocked.

[AlmasterGM]

If there isn't at least 1 scum on this wagon right now I'd be shocked.

So, you get put to L-2 and all you have to say is that completely useless statement? Happy with my vote for now.

I lol'd.

What am I supposed to say? I don't think I've heard a good reason from anyone as to why they are voting for me from anyone, including you.

Your edgy sarcasm isn't very pro-town. Neither are your warentless voting and bad arguments.

Vote: Suffer.

[AlmasterGM]

Who do you think that scum is? Aimlessly throwing around an accusation isn't helping. In fact, it seems odd to me that in response to the growing wagon on you was an accusation without a target.

Well, I wanted to go after you or Suffer, but I thought that would be pretty ironic given my first post. That's not really an issue now, though.

[AlmasterGM]

First off, it's warrantless.

Thank you for the spelling lesson.

Anyway, that's remarkably stupid. I'm pretty sure everyone's vote at the beginning of the game has no justification. It's just that some people choose to dress it up with a fanciful reason.

1) The fanciful reasons are what give the RVS meaning. If you do nothing but throw a vote on a bandwagon and say nothing more, there's no point in having the RVS at all.
2) If it's all unjustified, why am I at L-2? Remarkable coincidence?

And bad arguments? I'm assuming you're referring to my only other comment besides my vote, which only stated your comment was useless, and it still is. You're willing to wager that out of 5 people voting for you in a 12 person game, that at least one of them is scum. Now did you just pull that from your Probability 101 book, or are you just psychic? Regardless, my comment holds.

All that aside, I'd love for you to show me an example of a good argument, considering that we're essentially on the first page of this game. It almost seems like you just cobbled a few reasons together to cover up a OMGUS vote. It's cute.

Congratulations, you've proven my point for me. If it's P1 and good arguments are not to be expected, how is it fair to accuse my posts of being useless? What am I supposed to say in response to a ton of votes with no justification whatsoever (which is the kind of voting you endorse, as per the previous quote). Your accusation is terrible - it's exactly the same kind of "dressing up" and "cobbling together" you say is bad.

Try again.

Dressing up so much fun though! Rocky Horror anyone? No? Spoilsports...
Almaster-4-Peabody. SolemnJ, Suffer, MrSuave
llamaeatataco-1-qax42
MrSuave-1-Torqez
qax42-1-llamaeatataco
Suffer-1-AlmasterGM

[AlmasterGM]

Oh yeah, and just for fun...

OBV-TROLL IS OBV.

[AlmasterGM]

Ok my unvote on Almaster was because I didn't want things messy, or in other words a quicklynch. He was already at L-2, so I felt necessary precautions were to be taken.

Or you're scum trying to look townie by unvoting. This seems especially likely given that you said your vote wasn't random.

[AlmasterGM]

More Suffer votes please.

[AlmasterGM]

@llamaeatataco

lol, np.

@Suffer issue

I don't see it as Suffer contradicting himself. Infact, I too have just for the sake of it bandwagoned people to guage reactions and progress the game.

However, Suffer, you have a great post above mine about using tools! I'm going to use mine too!

Unvote. Vote: Suffer

Mod: Another point for you? Christmas Eve for me, I'll be V/LA over the next 4 days, till 29th Dec. Still will be aroundish though.

This post is a giant non-sequitur.

Also, this game needs way more MrSuave, Tom, and SolemnJ. Post now, plz.

[AlmasterGM]

Suffer needs to die.

Now.

[AlmasterGM]

well, for one thing, it was a purely random vote. I didn't even count the votes before I voted. I thought I had said that before.

anyway, what I think about suffer?

---> "That depends what you take justification to mean. If you take it to mean having a reason, then yes, my vote was justified. But by that definition, everyone's vote is justified, because everyone has a reason when they vote, whether it's how their name looked or what came up when they rolled the dice.

When I said justified, I meant well-grounded. I wasn't voting AlmasterGM because I thought him to be scum, but rather to continue a bandwagon." <---

that rubs me wrong, I'm not going to lie. so I'm going to go ahead an

unvote vote: suffer

Great way to jump into the game. Start with some defense, then spout off some vague, abstract reason for getting on the bandwagon without any elaboration whatsoever. If Suffer flips town, you are obvscum. If Suffer flips scum, you are probably scum trying to bus.

[AlmasterGM]

Unless your post 50 sums it up... But this post doesn't really point out why Suffer is scum. All it points out is your belief that he has bad logic. Is this why your vote is placed on him?

I'm actually not sure whether Suffer is scum or bad town right now. I'm actually inclined to say really, really bad town, but the backpedal and the logic was just so awful that I can't unvote right now.

If someone wanted to start a MrSuave wagon, I'd totally be on board for that, though.

[AlmasterGM]

so what you're saying is:
if he is town, I am scum
if he is scum, I am scum

that's not a very good way of thinking.

Actually, it is, because your behavior is scummy regardless of how Suffer flips. You just look even worse if he flips town.

[AlmasterGM]

hm.... probably the switch to suffer I suppose. everything else is pretty mild compared to that I guess

Interesting. Since voting Suffer is the only thing you have done (other than lurk and answer Peabody's question), isn't this basically a concession that you've done nothing pro-town this entire game?

Mama, will you sing me Trip Machine?
Suffer-4-AlmasterGM, Diamondilium, Torqez, MrSuave
Almaster-3-SolemnJ, Suffer
Diamondilium-1-AK47x2
Torqez-1-Peabody

[AlmasterGM]

Also, Vote: Diamondilium because he was the first one to vote without giving any sort of reasoning whatsoever, which is a bit of a pet peeve.

I'm with rewq. L-2 is too early to unvote just because scum could hammer. They never would because it would be a massive giveaway.

Also, I'm not sure what sort of scum would 'crumble' under being given a vote at a point in the game where most of the votes were being tossed around at random.

That is what you have contributed to this game thus far - an (almost) RVS, an agreement, and vague theory argument. We're on page 5. You need to do something other than "watch keenly." Do you still think Diamond is the best lynch? Are you standing by your previous justification for that logic (a "pet peeve")? Who else do you think is scummy?

[AlmasterGM]

Just posting to say I'm here: not a whole lot has happened since my last post and I think we're just waiting on a few people to answer questions.

@

Mod: who is due a prod?

Same to you.

[AlmasterGM]

I'll respond to these badcases on me later. In the meantime, I think we should start a wagon on AK47x2. The thread 5 pages, it's not that hard to make a substantive post - especially when you find plenty of time to read and whine about being busy.

Unvote. Vote: AK47x2

[AlmasterGM]

Sorry I haven't posted at all, I should've V/LA'd for the extended weekend but I forgot. I'll catch up today.

[AlmasterGM]

Prod received. I apologize, I completely forgot about this game. My bad. I will do a read through and make a substantive post within 24 hours. I promise.

[AlmasterGM]

Interesting story here: I just sat down to do a read. Before starting on P1, however, I did a quick scan of this page and saw that a certain individual named "MrSuave" was under suspect. I decided to give him a quick ISO read to see what was up.

I'm not even going to bother to finish my read tonight. I am completely and utterly amazed that this man is not at L-0 right now. He has done absolutely zero scumhunting and contributed nothing to the town. Moreover, he CONCEEDS that this stance is not going to change in the future because he "doesn't suspect anybody." Are you kidding me? There is no way this guy should live until tomorrow. Either he's scum or really, really, really bad town and leaving him around will just confuse everybody.

I'll finish my read tomorrow. Right now, it's lynch time.

Unvote. Vote: MrSuave.

[AlmasterGM]

@MrSuave: CLAIM NOW, FOO.

[AlmasterGM]

@almaster:

did you say you were going to post some huge post a few days ago? It's been more than 24 hours.

I was going to do a full read through and post, but MrSuave was such obvscum that I put that on hold and voted for him. I'll do a more full analysis after seeing how that pans out (either by claim if he gets or soon or flip if he doesn't).

[AlmasterGM]

yes I am, sorry, trying to balance funds fo school =/. anyway. claim? VT, I'm no one special. and I don't see why people want claims. it usually doesn't change anything >_>

die scum die

[AlmasterGM]

but I'm not scum, I am who I say I am

Then try posting some content.

pl0x.

can we hammer already? I'm really not inclined to analyze more while this goon is running around.

[AlmasterGM]

Seriously, what the fuck? Why didn't MrSuave claim Nurse?

I'm not gonna lie to you guys.

This is the first time I've lived longer then 1 day phase. I have no idea what to do

Maybe you could start by reading D1 and telling us who you find scummy.

I'm going to go do that as well.

Sing the Requiem for Maxx
No one is voting.

[AlmasterGM]

I read through Raskol's post and he pushed for a Mr. Suave Lynch the WHOLE time. In almost every post he tried his best to convince people to vote for Mr. Suave because ?"he is lurking and that is scummy". He then provided proof based on past games. 1 was lurking as scum and 1 was lurking as town. That means Mr. Suave had no greater chance of being scum then the rest of us. That meta doesn't count since the behavior is the same. This tunneling got mr. suave lynched and Raskol was the hammer.

VOTE: Raskol

If you didn't think MrSuave was scum, why did you vote for him?

[AlmasterGM]

I band wagon. Everyone hates me for it and people are constantly trying to get me policy lynched

I agree with those people.

Vote: Flareonage.

[AlmasterGM]

also, Almaster, do you see how Peabody said that he was going to post some content? Do you see how MrSuave said that? Do you see how I said that? Do you see how YOU said that? Don't just go and get lynched/be too lazy/quit and not post the content. I will continue to harass you until you do.

All my posts have content, they just aren't very long. You can harass me as much as you want, I'm not going to post a wall until I feel like it.

This game is weird because I have a feeling there are a lot of stupid townies along with the mafia. Right now, for example, flareonage is acting scummy as hell, but I'm not sure if that's just him being VI (as he referenced) or if he is actually scum. This makes reads more difficult.

[AlmasterGM]

We can fix this lack of content by lynching Flareonage, who seems to have time to post elsewhere on the site, but not in this game.

[AlmasterGM]

mod wants me to post.

I don't know what you want me to say. You guys decided you wanted to lynch me a long time ago and nothing I say is going to change that

LMAO.

Even if nothing is going to change that, you could still be protown and do some scumhunting.

But no, you are scum, so you aren't going to do anything protown. Time to die.

Dance to the dirty mix
flareonage-3-AlmasterGM, llamaeatataco, Raskol
Raskol-2-Flareonage, Peabody

[AlmasterGM]

My take on Suffer is that he's either an asshole or scum. Since he suddenly decided to stop being an asshole, I'm heavily leaning towards the latter.

Peabody, you should vote. A vote for Flareorange is a vote for scum.

[AlmasterGM]

Almaster, what's up with the urgency to lynch so soon?

No particular urgency. We can sit around and chat if you want. I just like lynching scum.

Seriously, look at his posts. "I like hammering." It's textbook obvscum.

[AlmasterGM]

I like to hammer. What's wrong with that?

For starters, this:

I read through Raskol's post and he pushed for a Mr. Suave Lynch the WHOLE time. In almost every post he tried his best to convince people to vote for Mr. Suave because ?"he is lurking and that is scummy". He then provided proof based on past games. 1 was lurking as scum and 1 was lurking as town. That means Mr. Suave had no greater chance of being scum then the rest of us. That meta doesn't count since the behavior is the same. This tunneling got mr. suave lynched

and Raskol was the hammer.

Plus the fact that it's just a dumb excuse on principle. It's like saying, "I like acting scummy, don't lynch me."

@Almaster: No. You have pretty much just said "I agree with this guy" and bandwagoned or said "dienaoscum" without giving a reason. That is not content, that is you doing a bare minimum to seem active. It's not that you aren't posting walls of text, it's that you aren't posting reasons.

No, you. First, your argument is flat out wrong because I have given tons of reasons for everything in my posts. Just because I have better word economy than you doesn't mean I'm not contributing. Second, even if I were giving the minimum reasoning-wise, it doesn't matter because Flareonage is literally obvscum and if you cannot see that you are blind. What am I supposed to do, write a very detailed explanation as to why tells that can be explained in one line are scummy?

Interestingly enough, you are currently voting Flareonage. I was the first one to start the wagon - before that, you were voting somewhere else. It is pretty ironic that you are criticizing me for not contributing enough when 1) Nobody else seemed capable enough of noticing that Flareonage was obvscum except for me and 2) You are ON THE WAGON yourself.

@Peabody - it is really sketchy that you actually agreed with Flareonage's awfularg on Day 1. Care to explain that?

[AlmasterGM]

@Peabody - it is really sketchy that you actually agreed with Flareonage's awfularg on Day 1. Care to explain that?

Do you mean the argument at the beginning of Day 2?

When night hit, I was actually a bit suspicious of Raskol in the first place. So because I was already leaning toward him being scum, whenever Flareorange decided to attack Raskol, it was easy for me to agree. Besides, bandwagoning works.

vote Flareorange

Flare, if you are town, you messed up badly.

But the argument was so BAD.

[AlmasterGM]

As I explained before, during night 1 I began suspecting Raskol as possibly being scum. His deceptive meta on Mr. Suave caused me to begin this suspicion (aka the claim that MrSuave lurks as scum when in reality he lurks as both scum and town). When Flareon chose to vote Raskol, my vote was a mere bandwagon. I felt as if a bandwagon on Raskol would help me determine his alignment. Does this answer help, llama?

I don't buy this. You didn't talk about Raskol AT ALL during D1 (iso shows you respond to him one time about some fluff issue). You never voted/FoS'd him. Then on D2 you jump on his wagon completely out of the blue the instant it starts. The wagon started by obvscum Flareonage. The wagon had absolutely NO valid justification behind it. You didn't give any alternative explanation as to why you were supporting the wagon. You just jump on and say "go wagon go." If you were to wagon on someone who had been obvscum the day before or who you had campaigned to have lynched previously, I would understand. However, you cannot simply say "wagons are good, they help us get info." ESPECIALLY when you get OFF the wagon a couple posts later as soon as everyone points out to you just how bad the wagon is.

[AlmasterGM]

Yeah, Peabody and Flareonage are obviously buddies.

[AlmasterGM]

@Mod: Please prod anyone who has not posted since your last prod on the 22nd. Please replace if they do not respond.

[AlmasterGM]

@Peabody - So what were your reasons for suspecting Raskol during N1?

[AlmasterGM]

@Peabody - that reason is really, really, really lame.

[AlmasterGM]

@Llama: I kind of sense a slight jump in your case on Peabody from your last post. Do you still find Flare the better lynch? It looks to me like your trying to shift attention from Flare to Peabody.

My vote is still on Flareonage. I maintain that Flareonage is obvscum. If I had my choice, he would die right this minute.

However, activity in this game is in the toilet, so I'm trying to find some other things to talk about in the meantime. Namely, Peabody. I don't see what's bad about this.

[AlmasterGM]

It looks to me like your trying to shift attention from Flare to Peabody.

Unvote

VOTE: AlmasterGM

When I flip town everyone else is gonna vote you

You are ridiculous. Die now.

[AlmasterGM]

@Flare: My post was at Llama, not almaster. I'm not defending you either, by the way. <.<
@Almaster: I see that with you. I just find that Llama is being a bit...thorough about it. Bit much for some discussion.

My mistake, I thought you were talking about me.

Either way, with respect to your point...if Flareonage is scum and Peabody is town, then Llama loses a massive amounts of town points. Otherwise, I think it's a null-tell. I may be biased in favor of Llama, though, since he agreed with me on the Peabody issue.

[AlmasterGM]

@almastar

What are you going to do in the event that I flip town?

Call you an idiot and move on.

Celebrate Nite!
flareonage-5-Suffer, AlmasterGM, llamaeatataco, Raskol, Peabody
AlmasterGM-1-Flareonage

[AlmasterGM]

so you're gonna blame me for your tunneling?

No, I'm going to blame you for being scummy and refusing to help the town when asked.

[AlmasterGM]

Seriously, if we could just lynch Flareonage, this game could get rolling.

[AlmasterGM]

@Lastsurvivor - why are you not voting?

[AlmasterGM]

@Lastsurvivor - why are you not voting?

Would my vote be the hammer?

Yes... Are you afraid of hammering?

Not at all.

Vote: Flareonage

lol...last minute bus?

Totally. There was no reason to think once about voting Flareonage. LS thought twice. That's two times too many.

[AlmasterGM]

Long night was long.

[AlmasterGM]

Yeah, this game is basically on a direct route to failtown right now, we need something really sweet to happen if this is going to end in a win.

I'm going to re-read tomorrow. And I'm ACTUALLY re-reading this time.

[AlmasterGM]

Sounds good. Right now, we have a 3/8 chance of hitting scum. If we have a claim and then counterclaim, our chances increase to 1/2. If we have a claim and no CC, we clear one person (for the common roles, at least). The only problem with this plan is if the mafia claims cop and there is no legit cop and we believe them, we lose, but I'd put the chances of that at less than the 1/8 potential gain to be had by claiming, so the reward outweighs risk.

[AlmasterGM]

Sounds good. Right now, we have a 3/8 chance of hitting scum. If we have a claim and then counterclaim, our chances increase to 1/2. If we have a claim and no CC, we clear one person (for the common roles, at least). The only problem with this plan is if the mafia claims cop and there is no legit cop and we believe them, we lose, but I'd put the chances of that at less than the 1/8 potential gain to be had by claiming, so the reward outweighs risk.

[AlmasterGM]

@Peabody - The tl;dr of this massclaim is IF YOU ARE COP WITH ANY AT ALL NAMES FUCKING REVEAL.

Thank you.

Now, who wants to start?

[AlmasterGM]

This is going to be excruciatingly slow.

[AlmasterGM]

We have time. Wait we shall.

[AlmasterGM]

I agree.

[AlmasterGM]

Run out the clock some mooaaaaaar.

[AlmasterGM]

SLOW GAME IS SLOW.

[AlmasterGM]

What almaster said. I don't think claiming like this is going to work. We should all just claim.

No. Agar must claim.

[AlmasterGM]

Agar was just replaced in another game on the site, so I get the feeling he may not be showing up today.

Mod, can we have a prod/replace on Agar please?

[AlmasterGM]

I just replaced AGar in another game.

He ain't gonna show.

[AlmasterGM]

Yeah, so, this wagon is moving WAY too fast and needs to slow down. Now.

If llama actually scum doing what everyone is saying he did, he's pretty dumb (no offense). There's more than 1 townie left - why would scumllama take even the

slightest

risk that he would die targeting AK? It's lylo - if we mislynch, any kill will do.

[AlmasterGM]

I find it funny that the same people who let the game go on for a week without a post are now complaining that it's going too fast.

Here's a tip for you: post other content and/or come up with an alternate suspect. If someone can name me anything that's as lynchworthy as llama's slip, feel free. Go ahead. After all, there are three scum left, not just one. As it is, simply saying "Let's not lynch yet" without giving us anything to do in the meantime just feels like you're stalling.

Keep in mind this is now the SECOND time he's done this. How any of you could still think he might be innocent is beyond me.

I mean, think about it---if he's town, why haven't the scum hammered him yet, when it would win them the game to do so? The only real answer imo is that he's scum and the other scum are trying to stall for another lynch to win.

Wow, could you be any MORE desperate for a lynch? That "alternative suspect" just became you. This is lylo - votes flying everywhere is a really Bad Idea.

To answer your question at the end, that's not true because it presumes everyone on the wagon already is a townie. Maybe some of them (*cough*yourself*cough*) are scum.

Pluto the First
Llamaeatataco-2-bv310, Raskol

[AlmasterGM]

I like how Raskol is pretty conservative throughout the entire game, but the minute he comes under suspicion, the text walls and ad hominims come blasting out like there's no tomorrow.

[AlmasterGM]

Lastsurvivor is probably lurkerscum with Raskol. It's even possible neither of them are scum and the entire scumteam is playing lurk-o-matic, but I dunno. I think a Lastsurvivor wagon should happen.

[AlmasterGM]

Yeah, good point.

Vote: Lastsurvivor

[AlmasterGM]

If LS was town teh scums would be all over this wagon right now. They are trying to lurk it away. You know what to do.

[AlmasterGM]

Llama, I think you just named the entire scum team right there.

[AlmasterGM]

Hey sorry, school has been pretty time-consuming over the last couple days. I will consider a Raskol lynch if it comes down to it.

When I have to time post a more in-depth case, I will. Soon.

seriously, could you be any less useful

[AlmasterGM]

Hey guys I've been v/la, thought I posted here but guess I forgot
I'm on my phone right now, I'll catch up when I get back in 2 days.

[AlmasterGM]

You are correct, I have not claimed.

Anyway, I thought Lastsurvivor was scum before, and now he comes in with this fakeclaim Watcher crap. I'm like 90% sure he's still scum.

Let's lynch this n00b.

[AlmasterGM]

I'm VT. I have absolutely no way of knowing there is no Watcher. The claim just smells like BS to me. I didn't claim because nobody actually asked me to, you were just like "hay Almaster hasn't claimed."

Well now you know.

Anyway, do you have any reason as to why we SHOULDN'T lynch Lastsurvivor?

[AlmasterGM]

It's lylo. What reason could their possibly be for withholding information?

[AlmasterGM]

For the third time, if easjo682 was town, the lurking scum would be allllllll over this wagon. They are not. They are trying to let the townies talk so we can get rid of our own wagon. This cannot be allowed to happen.

[AlmasterGM]

It's lynch time, yo.

AFA the "We don't know you and llamma are town, so that doesn't add up" response goes, you're right. I don't even know llamma is town. However, I know I'm town, I know easjo made up a sketchy claim, and I know the person before him was scummy as hell. That's good enough for me.

[AlmasterGM]

I'm town, and I don't know where the hell this wagon came from, but it is stupid and you are making a huge mistake. The attack is SO INCREDIBLY AWFUL I don't even know what I can say to defend myself.

Peabody you have been lurking the fuck out of the thread and you manage to show up the minute a vote on a townie lands? You are obvscum, if this isn't game over you need to die tomorrow, no ifs-ands-or-buts.

[AlmasterGM]

PEABODY: Explain why we shouldn't lynch you right now for what you just did. It's quite possibly the scummiest thing in this game, maybe even in all the games on this page.

[AlmasterGM]

Whatever. I am still convinced of my vote. Moreover, if easjo flips scum, we can be about 99% certain that Peabody is scum as well.

Healing-D-Vision
easjo682-3- AlmasterGM, llamaeatataco, Raskol
Peabody-1- easjo682
AlmasterGM -1-Chevre

[AlmasterGM]

@Herodotus - Did you miss the part where Peabody was lurking like crazy and then leaped in just in time to throw a vote down on a terribad wagon?

[AlmasterGM]

Chevre started the wagon. It is the two clowns who jumped on it are suspect. Bv could easily be scum as well.

[AlmasterGM]

Good game, everyone. Congrats to the mafia.