First off, sorry I missed that you wanted to speed things up after a while of waiting. I think it had something to do with the page breaks and the entire pointlessness of one of the last couple of pages.
When did I ever say I wanted to lynch now? I want to lynch llama, yes. But if people have anything they want to say, they can say it. I'm not going to hammer---I can't, since I'm already voting you. And I never told anyone to hammer you, either. So how in the world am I "rushing" the lynch?
Alamanatee said that the wagon needed to stop and you told him to stfu and stop getting in your way. I'm pretty sure that means that you want to lynch me now, and that lynching me is the only thing that will satisfy you.
What I have said, and what is true, and what I will continue to say because it's true, is that delay for delay's sake is useless and that asking people to wait on a lynch not because you have things you want to say but just for the sake of waiting is useless and scummy. If people want to wait on the lynch because they have things they actually want to pursue, then FINE. But waiting just for the sake of waiting is stupid. IOW, if you don't want this wagon to go to lynch yet, fine. But it's only fine if you're going to be doing something in the meantime.
It's not delay for delay's sake. You keep pulling this up, and I keep telling you: This is what we want to wait and do. We want to hold up and think about the wagon. From your previous posts, I got the impression that you didn't want to wait, and I feel like Alamanatee got the same impression as I did. Also, as an aside... Why is waiting for the sake of waiting scummy? I'm under the impression that discussion during the day is a powerful tool. It is in no way scummy to use the full length of the day for discussion. In fact, it's scummy to claim that doing so is a bad thing. You seem to be letting yourself slip and show your intention of rushing the lynch here.
Oh yeah? What is, then? You going to wait for him to come out and tell you he's scum?
Honestly though, I agree it's not 100%. But in mafia, you have to work with the best you have. And I honestly think that this is the scummiest thing anyone alive has done. If you don't agree, then like I've been saying, show me something scummier. If I missed something I'd like to see it.
Otherwise, if you're not going to offer a better alternative, then how are you being anything but useless?
OK... You have completely ignored my explanation for why it is not scummy. Either you aren't convinced, or you realize that as scum, you can't give up too easily on your wagon. Show you something scummier? You pushing this farce of a wagon. It's completely inane, just like the one before it.
Misrep. I don't say it proves anything 100%, just that it makes it the most likely answer. Overall, it's far more likely than not that I'm right, as I highly doubt that BOTH suffer and BV are scum, especially compared to the chances of the alterrnative (that llama is scum). It's distantly possible that I'm wrong, but in mafia you play the odds.
Well, let's assume you are town and work from your point of view, Then look at the other people on the wagon: Suffer has already come under suspicion before, he's probably the only person besides me still alive that has actually gotten people to think he is mafia. I'm pretty sure you were not suspicious of him earlier though, so he doesn't count. BV hasn't helped at all, neither has his predecessor. It's actually kind of likely that he IS scum. Suffer likewise, if only because of his actions today. So really, it's pretty likely that both of them are scum, and I'm sure at least one of them is.
So FYPOV, you don't really have any ground to say that they AREN'T scum. Even in your own eyes, I don't think you could see anyone scummier than them excluding me. From the rest of the town's perspective however, it's a different story. You are pushing wholeheartedly for this lynch, and you've put far more effort into it and defending yourself than anyone else in the game has in any action from what I can tell. The problem is, it doesn't make sense. The whole basis of you calling me scum is that I have no reason for wanting to know if he can be killed other than wanting to kill him as mafia. First off, no mafia with any brains would consider shooting a PGO as the finishing blow to the town. I was merely curious to see if he could be killed, for two reasons. First, it might mean that other roles are altered as well, and second it might mean that the scum could do some crazy shit that I haven't thought of. So really, your wagon makes no sense and you pushing it with crap reasoning is silly.
Now, to address your attack on me. (post 431)
First of all, as to your post where you 'explain' yourself.---there's nothing in that post that you couldn't have easily made up after the fact to cover your ass. I would have to be stupid to buy such bullshit from someone who has incentive to lie.
What? They are two perfectly valid reasons and you try to say that they could easily be made up and therefore ignored.... The problem is, this is forum mafia. The only thing we have is text. I asked a one line question, in a completely isolated situation. Every single reason that I could give could be called a stupid, made up excuse with this logic. Hell, we could call EVERYONE'S reasoning/logic made up after the fact with this thinking. This is you trying to pull a fast one again, mere empty words.
For the rest of the town, lemme just ask this: what do you think is more likely? That llama is scum unconsciously revealing his true intentions, or that he's a townie who consistently makes "wording errors" that just "happen" to look like scumslips?
What is more likely here? I am mafia and subconciously burdened with guilt about my fictional slayings, my thoughts overridden with remorse and my subconcious is trying to inform the rest of the town of my despicable deeds, or I am town and I let my self-doubt influence my postings, then asked an innocent question based on curiosity and analysis of the setup/roles?
They don't look like scumslips. The first one was ridiculous, the second one was a question with an innocent explanation that you are trying to blind yourself to. Also, I would hardly call two posts, even if they were scumslips, consistent. you are again using flawed logic and attempting to pull the wool over our eyes, but you were too lazy to get it off of the sheep first.
I have to say, if you are willing to take his word for it on what he meant, then you're a terribly naive person and shouldn't be playing mafia.
appeal to intelligence. "You're a moron if you think I am wrong." <--- This is why you look scummy by the way. You use the logical fallacies and basically try to bully the town into voting you for fear of feeling stupid.
Second, your "scumlist" consists of all and only those people who are voting for you. None of those people have been on your suspicion list before, and you have no new reason to be suspicious of them now---yet because they happen to be voting for you, you're willing to say they're all scum? Seems like you're not being very honest with your suspicions---more like self-serving.
Raskol, I'm not going to explain this again. Just look at the post where I gave a very simple sequence of events showing how illogical the wagon was. These people are on a stupid wagon. Two of them for no reason at all, and one of them for totally fabricated ones. If this wagon were directed at Peabody, AK or Alamanatee I would STILL call all three of you scum. You are trying to use the fact that it happens to be on me to allow you to ignore the perfect reasoning behind calling you three scum. Less word trickery and more dying of a broken neck please. (Unless of course, we don't know how to make a proper noose and we just use some other knot and it ends up actually choking you...)
Third, your blatant and obvious misrepresentation of me, my case on you, and my behavior today.
Assertion. Please give me some examples of this misrepresentation.
You haven't been scumhunting anyway. The wagon on you is the first attempt anyone has made ALL DAY to make a case on ANYONE. In fact, even now the only other wagon is one on me, and the SOLE POINT IN THE CASE is that I'm attacking YOU.
IOW, I scumhunt. Then I get attacked for scumhunting.
Second, I never said I wanted to lynch now, jsut that if we DONT lynch you now, it had better be because people are DOING SOMETHING. Those words, "Raskol wants to lynch right now", were put in my mouth by you and almaster, who I can only assume is your scumbuddy.
Umm... Me pointing out the stupidity of your wagon IS scumhunting. I guess you could call you starting the wagon scumhunting, but that's not what we're faulting you for. We're faulting you for not wanting anyone else to scumhunt/get a chance to weigh in. You are saying both that you don't want to lynch right now, but that you DO want to lynch if nobody is going to do anything productive... and then say that we aren't being productive, so we should therefore lynch now. Clear this up: Are you going to stick with attacking us for wanting to drag the day out, or defending yourself by saying you want to wait? You're talking out of both sides of your mouth, but trying to dress it up so we won't see it. Verbal smoke and mirrors.
This is utter bullshit. Completely and obviously false. Yes, I originally suggested that we claim one at a time. That was what, two and a half weeks ago?
But after AGES of waiting, I have been trying to move things along. Read posts 373 and 399, where I try to get the massclaim to go smoother and quicker.
I was the one who suggested we abandon the fucking one claim at a time plan. I have been trying to get things moving for quite some time now.
So you were originally patient and wanted to do this shit right, then you got fed up with taking the time to play correctly and wanted us to move along, and now you don't want us to use the rest of the day. Game-wise, the town gains absolutely nothing by waiting longer to lynch. The excess time doesn't get added on to the next day...
OK, so you have been trying to speed things up a bit from before you wanted to lynch me. I must have missed it. I don't reread the past pages as I'm typing a post, only the relevant ones.
Now, this obviously false point you made suggests to me that you either haven't read the thread, in which case you should stfu until you have, or you're lying scum trying to make me look bad with lies when you can't find anything true against me. Which is it?
Do you just have a list of quotes that you copy/paste into your accusations? I believe I posted on
every page of the thread
and was part of the discussion much more than anyone else more than half the time. This is another interesting incongruity (legit this time). You are blasting me for supposedly not reading the thread (Utter bullshit) and yet you completely ignore the fact that
bv obviously hasn't.
I may have made a mistake in my memory, aided by a couple of periods of L/A and a faulty re-read, but he hasn't even commented on anything that has happened other than to piggyback off of Peabody and vote for me. You tell me I should stfu if I haven't read the thread, while you are currently voting with someone who could legitimately be considered ignorant of the past couple of game-days.
So basically, Raskol has ignored every single legitimate argument I have made in my defense and against him and focused on the one area where I misinterpreted what had happened. The problem with this is that that was a minor point against him, and still the overall meaning (That Raskol was patient at the start of the day and then grew more impatient as the shadows grew shorter/longer) is the same. Raskol may have changed his mind before me, but wanting to rush a massclaim simply because he became bored is at the very least anti-town. Raskol still hasn't done anything other than blow smoke, ignore my posts and drop a crapload of empty words to try and force this lynch through. He has used a large amount of logical fallacies and basic person-with-nefarious-motives-trying-to-get-someone-to-screw-themselves-over techniques. "If you aren't scum, I'll eat my hat."
The game. Guess what? You just lost it.