Mafia 113: Mafia in Mendo ~ Game Over

[chnorek]

hey guys, give me a day or two to reread the thread.

[chnorek]

i did not finish yet.

Im not going to jump on mpr wagon.
Only Sirdanilot seems to have descent excuse to have his vote here. They are tunelling each other since very beginning.
I have really hard time reading Jack, he didnt do anything very scumy but same time he seems to be living on other people content. Voting on mpr because he is calling 7 posts of CCA lurking. Could be that true reason was just to derail own wagon.?
CCAraven just jumped the wagon. Lurking his way to endgame, 7 posts in total so far.
RichardGHP built case on mpr very early when game started, switched to useless discussion with furcolow, obvious bandwagon and now back on mpr because of vote count posted by Diac? it doesnt make mpr more scummy, he was either tunelling on Sirdanilot or going with reasonable wagons with everyone else.

i still need to do careful ISO of 3 people and re-read the cases on everyone.
for now

vote: RichardGHP

Sirdanilot or RichardGHP could you gather reasons why you are conviced that he is scummy? how do you feel about others voting on mpr? Who could be mpr scumbuddy?

i wont really have much time tommorow so will continue on sunday.

[chnorek]

I already posted. He seems to be lurking his way to endgame. looks scummy but i still find Richard better bet, at least for now. I dont think more votes on him could change his behavior and i dont really want to risk his lynch while i havent gone through everyone.

I did concentrate mostly on mpr bandwagon, its almost 4am here cant go much more. If i missed something let me know, but dont answer for Richard and Sir.

[chnorek]

My case on MPR hasn't changed. Look at it to find out why I find him scum-like. Possible scummate Raven.

ISO 5 - you vote MPR for building terrbile and forced case on Sir.
ISO 8 - lack of response to your attack just confirm he is scum
ISO 10 - MPR is officialy lurking
ISO 11 - you go over with everything you have on MPR

this was all on Day 1.

Your reasons could be descent for D1. We have D3 and nothing have changed at all. Possible connection you assume is also very weak. That makes your case a little forced in my eyes.


now back to reading.

[chnorek]

im just passing by to

unvote; vote: CCAraven

.
his defense is extremly scummy.
welcome Chrono. dont be sure to state your opinion on mpr.

[chnorek]

boberz - could be scumbuddy with Jack, i can feel some connection here. Was very active on D1 but after that less and less.
CMAR - reasonable votes, and nice ISO 13. ends up with quite a few suspects on D3, maybe just in case?
Nicodemus - null tell. playing safe, afraid for his own life? could be just a lurker or a scum, i cant say yet.
Diacra - i will skip D1 and D2 here. Nice wagon list (town). Changing opinion a lot without explaining reasons (scum). ISO-63 (very town). Overall town.
dramonic - just another contentless person. null-tell.

What about CCAR's defense do you find slightly scummy chnorek?

If we accept his defense and wont lynch him today then we cant lynch him at all, he will bring it tommorow again. Lynch or vig but he needs to die in my opinion.

[chnorek]

Jack this is one of the longest and best posts you have made so far. Where is this change coming from?

MPR building competitive wagons is the only defense you are going to use?

[chnorek]

What's with the 'just passing by' comment?

dont be sure to state your opinion on mpr.

Not sure what this is meant to mean.

"passing by" because i was going to bed.
second one was a typo, "dont" shoudnt be there.

Mind sharing more details on Diacria case?

[chnorek]

L-2 on CCAR, dont lynch by accident, give him chance to post.

[chnorek]

to summarize the wagons.

Case on CCAraven is:
1) lurking
2) meta
3) terrible defense

Case on mpr is:
1) deer wagon (Jacks case)
2) OMGUS siridan on D1
3) noob card defense
4) building cases only to save himself?


what do i miss and where am i wrong?

[chnorek]

wb boberz.
everyone please remember not to vote until you are absolutly sure that you are voting on scum.
I agree about Nico, my second suspect would be Chronopie and im going to look here in first place.

[chnorek]

chronopie is completly useless sir was doing really great but chrono.... i suspect he didnt even read the whole thread. his posts are useless, stating obvious and nothing more. he ignored me when i have asked for explanation of Diacra case (his biggest suspect). Overall i think he is not scum (sir gameplay) but wont be great help for town.

Also, what if a townie places a vote on someone else, and continually refreshes, checking to see if anybody bandwagons, then unvotes as soon as somebody does? We miiight be able to find scum. I've never been alive in LYLO before, so I don't know if this strategy is/isn't possible.

unvoting from building wagon seems more like kind of scumhunting. Scum likes bandwagoning without reason, town shoudnt.
How can you know we are in LYLO now?

[chnorek]

and here are our wagons again (i updated Diacra post)

# 4 ~

Furcolow

(horrordude0215, greenindirt, dramonic,

bv310

)
# 3 ~

bv310

(

deer

, Nicodemus,

Diacria

)
# 2 ~ sirdanilot (

Jack

, MehPlusRawr)
# 1 ~

Jack

(sirdanilot)
# 1 ~ MehPlusRawr (

RichardGHP

)
# 1 ~

The Fonz

(

Furcolow

)
# Not Voting:

CCARaven4

,

danakillsu

,

HackerHuck

,

Damon_Gant

,

The Fonz

, boberz

# 3 ~

bv310

(

deer

, Nicodemus,

Diacria

)
# 3 ~

Furcolow

(horrordude0215, dramonic,

bv310

)
# 2 ~ MehPlusRawr (

RichardGHP

, greenindirt)
# 1 ~ sirdanilot (MehPlusRawr)
# 1 ~

Jack

(sirdanilot)
# 1 ~

deer

(

Jack

)
# 1 ~

CCARaven4

(boberz)
# 1 ~

Damon_Gant

(

Furcolow

)
# Not Voting:

CCARaven4

,

danakillsu

,

HackerHuck

,

Damon_Gant

,

The Fonz

# 3 ~

deer

(

Jack

,

Diacria

,

Furcolow

)
# 2 ~

Furcolow

(horrordude0215, dramonic)
# 2 ~

bv310

(

deer

, Nicodemus)
# 2 ~ MehPlusRawr (

RichardGHP

, greenindirt)
# 1 ~ sirdanilot (MehPlusRawr)
# 1 ~

Jack

(sirdanilot)
# Not Voting:

CCARaven4

,

danakillsu

,

HackerHuck

,

Damon_Gant

,

The Fonz

, boberz

# 6 ~ MehPlusRawr (

RichardGHP

, greenindirt,

The Fonz

, sirdanilot,

Diacria

,

Jack

)
# 2 ~ boberz (

Furcolow

,

HackerHuck

)
# 2 ~

bv310

(

deer

, Nicodemus)
# 1 ~

Furcolow

(dramonic)
# 1 ~ sirdanilot (MehPlusRawr)
# Not Voting:

CCARaven4

,

danakillsu

,

Damon_Gant

, boberz,

bv310

CryMeARiver

# 8 ~

deer

(

Jack

, greenindirt,

bv310

, MehPlusRawr, boberz, dramonic,

Diacria

,

Furcolow

)
# 4 ~ MehPlusRawr (sirdanilot, CryMeARiver,

HackerHuck

,

deer

)
# 1 ~

bv310

(

danakillsu

)
# 1 ~ dramonic (Nicodemus)

# 10 ~

danakillsu

(

Jack

, CryMeARiver,

Furcolow

,

The Fonz

,

HackerHuck

, MehPlusRawr,

RichardGHP

, dramonic,

deer

, Nicodemus)
# 2 ~

deer

(greenindirt,

bv310

)
# 2 ~

Furcolow

(boberz,

danakillsu

)
# 1 ~ MehPlusRawr (sirdanilot)
# 1 ~ dramonic (

Diacria

)
# 1 ~ sirdanilot (

Damon_Gant

)
Not Voting:

CCARaven4

# 8 ~

Damon_Gant

(

bv310

,

Diacria

,

deer

,

Jack

, CryMeARiver, Nicodemus, sirdanilot, MehPlusRawr)
# 1 ~ sirdanilot (

Damon_Gant

)
# Not Voting: greenindirt,

CCARaven4

, dramonic, boberz,

HackerHuck

,

RichardGHP

# 4 ~

Jack

(

Diacria

, dramonic, MehPlusRawr, CryMeARiver)
# 2 ~

MehPlusRawr

(sirdanilot,

RichardGHP

)
# 1 ~ CryMeARiver (

Jack

)
#Not Voting: greenindirt,

CCARaven4

, boberz, Nicodemus

# 3 ~ MehPlusRawr (sirdanilot,

RichardGHP

,

Jack

)
# 2 ~

Jack

(

Diacria

, dramonic)
# 1 ~ CryMeARiver (boberz)
# 1 ~

CCARaven4

(MehPlusRawr)
#Not voting: chnorek,

CCARaven

, Nicodemus, CryMeARiver


# 3 ~ MehPlusRawr (sirdanilot,

RichardGHP

,

Jack

,

CCARaven4

)
# 2 ~

CCARaven4

(MehPlusRawr, Nicodemus)
# 1 ~

Jack

(dramonic)
# 1 ~ CryMeARiver (boberz)
# 1 ~ Nicodemus (

Diacria

)
# 1 ~ RichardGHP (chnorek)
#Not voting: CryMeARiver

# 6 ~

CCARaven4

(MehPlusRawr, Nicodemus, chnorek, CryMeARiver, dramonic,

RichardGHP

)
# 2 ~ MehPlusRawr (

Jack

,

CCARaven4

)
# 1 ~ CryMeARiver (boberz)
# 1 ~ Nicodemus (

Diacria

)
# 1 ~

Diacra

(chronopie)

[chnorek]

Mod edit: text removed.

Do not quote or pretend to quote your role PM. You may paraphrase it.

Doc here.
N1 greenindirt protected Dicaria, N2 protected no one and N3 I protected CMAR.

Nico next.

[chnorek]

Everyone do not vote until we finish with claims!

[chnorek]

Here we are, folks. Nico is scum. I counterclaim him. I am the vig. I shot Furcolow, BV, and Richard. I am CERTAIN that Nico is scum, but I'm not voting until the massclaim is over. Also- I shot last night because I realized that there today would be LYLO with 4 scum regardless of whether or not I shot. (Because of the poisoning

we end up in Lylo with 3 scum. we would not if there are 2 scum alive.
if we do have 2 scum and 2 scum-kills each night then we may be screwed.

How can you be sure that we have 3 scum left?
Care to share your flavor?

@CMAR
both vig and scum know who they was Viged and who NK each night, both are identical. what would make Nico more town than mpr?

[chnorek]

im not.

[chnorek]

Boberz you was going to look closer on Nico, how did it go?
Since you are bulletproof i would like to ask you some questions:
1) is it one-time protection or have any other restrictions?
2) did anyone tried to shot you already?
3) what is the point in claiming it other than saving yourself from being shot this night?
4) why did you avoid attention lately instead of pretending being other useful PR?
5) why you didnt claim cop or other role that could made scum try to shot you instead of other role?
6) flavor?

[chnorek]

Why I want the SK to out himself

Let's assume WCS here. Meaning 3 town, 1 SK, 3 mafia.
If we dont kill 2 mafia before tomorrow morn, we LOSE.
If we vote someone who isn't mafia, they can quick hammer and we probably LOSE
SK is a confirmable role. The more confirmed people we have, the better, especially if we can strategize openly.

Who are you willing to lynch if Nico claim SK?

Oh and also, we have to lynch the doc.

or

we

have to shot him maybe?

[chnorek]

in a 3 player mafia its plausible
also need I remind you my first assumption is SK?

i really want to believe in your good intentions but dont make it more difficult by risking the game just because of your assumption.

[chnorek]

are you SK Nico?

[chnorek]

Dram is scum.
His reasoning is pure wifom.
assuming there is an SK.
assuming im mafia doc. I could believe its just stupid town gut if vig NK would be blocked at least once but there was not.
That leaves 3 mafia with 2 kills each night and 1 vig. there is no SK in my opinion.
either Nico or mpr is scum. Other one is vig.
dram is scum for sure.
last one im not sure yet.

vote: dramonic

[chnorek]

Nico shoudnt care if he lynch me or dramonic, he is FoS-ing both.
mpr whats your opinion?

you guys could stop voting each other, it leads nowhere, noone is going to lynch vote any of you.

[chnorek]

We have 0 proof you are town

how did bv die?

[chnorek]

i hate doing it but dram just loves wifom so here we go:
bv was shot. if i was mafia doc who else would i protect?

i dont think we can go anywhere this way...

Dramonic is still alive with 2 votes, it makes me even more comfortable with him being lynched.

[chnorek]

bv would've been lynched during the day, better keep your protects where they are useful.

better to protect someone who is not going to be shot? sure.

Also I'm not dead because there's prolly scum on my wagon, duh.
Or because they didn'T have time to synch, but I doubt that.

what is your current assumption for the setup? 2 or 3 scum left alive?

[chnorek]

boberz who do you think is most likely scum?

[chnorek]

=_=

Chronek mafia-doc, Nico mafio.
Calling it

uh just because i was gone for some time doesnt make me scum. im doc and i will protect mpr tonight if i can.
you can stop speculating already you scum.

[chnorek]

first: sory about pretending to quote PM, was my accident, wont happen again.

it was almost impossible to lynch me because of possibility me being mafia doc, shot in foot in my opinion. would require all town to agree somehow i cant believe it.
i was afraid of CMAR buddying me and nico too much.
both mpr and boberz were people i was expecting to vote on dram.