Open 274: Game Over!

Fenchurch · Post Post #225 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:40 am

Hoopla wrote:
Da_Mafia_Godfather wrote:Hang on. I think I misinterpreted Empking's original post - it looks like you're saying that
I've
made no town tells myself

This is what I took it to mean. This is how I feel as well. Like you earlier, mine is currently a gut read. I'll have to re-read before I can expand properly.

Fenchurch · Post Post #226 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:41 am

^ quote tag fail, that was just Hoopla.

Hoopla · Post Post #227 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:43 am

Okay, that makes more sense in hindsight - I don't know why I read it like that. Either way, I don't have anything to say to that post.

andrew94 · Post Post #228 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:24 am

no. empking i meant that you are known aka pro aka good player aka WILL NOT BE CONFUSED BY HOOPLA

Da_Mafia_Godfather · Post Post #229 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:58 am

andrew94 wrote:no. empking i meant that you are known aka pro aka good player aka WILL NOT BE CONFUSED BY HOOPLA

I think the fact that I am "pro" works out of my favour. I'm a creature of habit, in small open games I like (and am used to) to get acquainted with everyone (and their avatars, play style ect) in the RVS.

Hoopla · Post Post #230 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:09 am

Empking, why is me supposedly not dropping town tells suspcious? Or at least, why is it any more suspicious than other players you have a neutral read on? Who are your current town reads?

Da_Mafia_Godfather · Post Post #231 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:17 am

Hoopla wrote:Empking, why is me supposedly not dropping town tells suspcious?

Because town (if they had posted as much as yourself) would've dopped a town tell. Its as simple as that.

Or at least, why is it any more suspicious than other players you have a neutral read on?

Because CA hasn't posted enough game content to say "yeah, he should've dropped a town tell by now"

Who are your current town reads?

Confirmed: Stef
Almost Certain: Andrew, Fenchurch
Probably (though I'd still lynch him at deadline): Ald

Hoopla · Post Post #232 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:19 am

Fenchurch, do you agree that I haven't dropped any town tells?

Fenchurch · Post Post #233 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:34 am

Yes. That is pretty much what it hinges on for me.

Although I haven't re-read yet, so there could be something I've missed. And it could just be because I've seen you play a strong scum-game, so my meter is adjusted.

Ald: you haven't voted for most of the game. Who is your top suspect now and why?

BlakAdder · Post Post #234 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:30 am

My sincerest apologies for the slow play. I have no idea why ConfidAnon has stopped posting in this game and I'll give him another prod.

Hoopla · Post Post #235 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:31 am

Just replace him please. If you need help, I'll be happy to find someone to slot in.

andrew94 · Post Post #236 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:12 pm

if he gets replaced, his replacee gets a free pass,,,

Hoopla · Post Post #237 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 4:23 pm

Impromptu roadtrip, will be back within 36 hours, I hope. I don't think it will be that long though.

Alduskkel · Post Post #238 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:13 pm

Well if cautiousness is the only accusation being lobbed at me then I will just leave it to other people to decide whether or not that has to do with my playstyle or my role.

Anyway, to answer Fenchurch, I do not have any good scum reads ATM. One problem is that I have spent too much time arguing with DMG and waiting for CA. When I find the time I will read (or at least skim over) the game again.

The Hoopla case is very silly without any scum tells to back it up. The argument is that Hoopla is scum because she hasn't given off any town tells. But I can make the same argument in reverse: Hoopla is town because she hasn't given off any scum tells.

Fenchurch · Post Post #239 (ISO) » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:33 pm

Alduskkel wrote:The Hoopla case is very silly without any scum tells to back it up. The argument is that Hoopla is scum because she hasn't given off any town tells. But I can make the same argument in reverse: Hoopla is town because she hasn't given off any scum tells.

Sure, in a vacuum. But when other players have made town tells (ie. things that you don't think they would have said or thought of if they were scum), and we know that someone IS scum, then that is most likely to be the player who hasn't.

BlakAdder · Post Post #240 (ISO) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:13 am

I have a replacement request up for this game already, but no takers. If anyone knows someone that would be willing to replace, that would be great.

Fenchurch · Post Post #241 (ISO) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:50 am

I'm afraid I don't, but you could try posting in the Open Queue, a lot of people seem to put their replacement requests there these days, as well as the official replacement thread.

Hoopla · Post Post #242 (ISO) » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:53 pm

Hi, I'm back, kind of. I'll work on getting you a replacement tonight, BlakAdder.

Fenchurch · Post Post #243 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:06 am

I think... I'm up for lynching CA instead of replacing him. The posts he has made in the game didn't seem especially townie, and add to that the fact that he's ditched this game in particular, means he's either bored by it, or doesn't want to put in the work to defend himself, which I see as a mild scumtell. The usual danger of lynching in absentia is that they could be a power role, but I think the chances of that are low in this case. He was high enough on my scum list anyway.

VOTE: ConfidAnon

Hoopla · Post Post #244 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:10 am

VP Baltar is replacing ConfidAnon when the mod contacts him. Either way, that was a sucky post, Fenchurch.

Fenchurch · Post Post #245 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:35 am

I'll retract my vote, but not my sucky post.

UNVOTE:

I still believe, whereas flaking from the whole site is neutral (and cancels out 'lurking'), choosing to abandon one game is a scummy move.

Hoopla · Post Post #246 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:38 am

Fenchurch wrote:I'll retract my vote, but not my sucky post.

UNVOTE:

I still believe, whereas flaking from the whole site is neutral (and cancels out 'lurking'), choosing to abandon one game is a scummy move.

I don't think you can really say that without knowing the alignment of the other games he didn't flake from. Kind of strange to continue posting on site but completely ignore and not even acknowledge why you're leaving.

Fenchurch · Post Post #247 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:33 am

Hoopla wrote:I don't think you can really say that without knowing the alignment of the other games he didn't flake from. Kind of strange to continue posting on site but completely ignore and not even acknowledge why you're leaving.

I agree that it's strange. But I don't think the two possible explanations I gave are that far-fetched. If someone chooses to abandon a game, surely there's a good chance it's because they see it as unwinnable, unfun, or both.

CA picked up a some votes and pressure pretty quickly in the game, and my experience is it takes more effort to defend yourself when the points against you are true.

If he has a better reason for leaving, then I'd have expected him to post to explain.

Ugh I don't know. I guess your argument is, why didn't he just make up a lie as to why he was leaving. And my only answer is that it's extra work to create a lie. I don't know.

BlakAdder · Post Post #248 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:49 am

Fritzler will be replacing ConfidAnon. Thanks to everyone who helped look for a replacement!
As the game has been dragging on and we have no official deadline, I'll set a tentative one in 96 hours. That's four days.

Fritzler · Post Post #249 (ISO) » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:26 am

Hey guys, I will read the game after I get off work (I am on my lunch break now)