Mini 1122: Mafia.Exe Game Over

[Neruz]

Putting me outta my comfort zone is easy, just be bgg.

Okay, I still hate the bgg wagon. It just has gone too long without a counterwagon or counter push from anyone.

What the hell is this bullshit? Do you not see the counter-wagon

sitting on me right now

,

the one that you yourself joined a dozen posts ago?

[GreyICE]

The one with like 3 votes on it? Unless the last vote count is badly off, that's just day 1 noise.

[GreyICE]

Also, frankly, I stand by my analysis. One of the votes on the bgg wagon was scum. And I really can't think of anything scummier than "Well I'll vote for this person and say that the person who started the wagon is most likely scum too!"

[DeathRowKitty]

*prod-dodge*

Useful post coming when it's not 2:30am

[Neruz]

bgg only has 4 votes, i had the same until you pulled off. If there isn't a wagon on me, then there isn't a wagon on bgg. You don't get to have it both ways.

[bgg1996]

In other words, yes I am stupid, but you still have to answer my stupid questions.

No, i don't. Hiraki has already pointed out how stupid you're being, if you like i can do the same; you're stupid, your 'question' is stupid. I have answered why i voted you and why i believe you to be scum already, in fact i'm fairly sure i've answered that stupid question twice now.

I asked two questions. This makes it seem like you did not read my post completely. Please read it again. Now have something to eat. You are clearly way too angry to post. If you are too angry, then your posts will not help town very much, and instead of conveying information that will help the town catch, and kill scum, you are making the town angry at you, which, if you are indeed town, make us lose another townie. Since the people who are reading this seem to be very dense, let me say that this is under the assumption that he is town BECAUSE this is what he would want to do if he was town. If he doesn't, he is not acting in the interest of the town.

Also, if questions are stupid, that probably only means that the person asking them is stupid. Stupid people aren't any more likely to be mafia than smart ones, and while it may make it more likely that they are scum, it is not a good idea to suspect somebody based purely on how

"

f*cking retarded

"

they are being.

Mafia typically hide behind stupid questions because they have to make up their scumhunting. Mafia cannot actually scumhunt because they are the scum, therefore they have to

create

scumtells, which typically comes across as stupid and\or retarded questions, often re-hashing points that were already made and carefully laundering quotes so as to make their fabricated case look convincing.

Did I ever re-hash points that were already made?
Did I ever launder a quote?

I'm not asking scummy questions that seem stupid, I'm asking questions.

I'm not the most experienced player. I didn't see much, if any particularly scummy posts. I have to find the scum, and vote for them. Otherwise, they win. I was looking for anything that might seem suspicious. What I want to do is to win it for the town. What you want to do is lynch the people who annoy you too much with questions. Questions help us determine who is scum and who is town. By not answering my questions you are acting in the exact opposite way in which a townie should act. You are doing things that may may lose the game for the town. You are acting in the preference of the mafia scum. Read over the questions, and answer them in detail.

I'm sick of your bullshit and i'm sick of [Redacted]'s bullshit. You clearly have no clue what the hell you're doing; to call you a newbie is an insult to newbies everywhere. Why you're playing this game and not learning how to play mafia properly in the newbie games i don't even know, but i suspect it may be because you are actually braindead and\or fucking with us. I don't know which and i don't care.

Does that make me any more likely to be scum?
Does that make it okay to lynch me?
Do you have any other significant reason other than an over-exaggerated poorly-quoted eleven-word sentence?
Are you even going to answer these questions?
Did you even read this post!?!

At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.

I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

GreyICE, you might want to make your bandwagoning slightly less blatant. I know my explosion makes me look like an easy lynch right now, but it's going to look real shitty for you when i flip town, because that vote right there is so opportunistic it hurts.

I would scream at you for that bullshit about thinking aggression on day 1 is a scumtell, but it's clear at this point you've already decided what i said for me, and i'm all screamed out, so i'll just make it short and sweet.

It is not simply because you had an emotional breakdown, of sorts.
The reason is because, not that I necessarily do or do not agree with it, because you first said aggressive play was a scumtell, then flew into a rage and strangled somebody.

Fuck you, scum.

I do hope that you don't curse:
According to their posts, about half of the people here, including you, are still in grade school.

Please respond to any and all questions directed at you, or else necessary actions will be taken. If you are town, then you should have no trouble proving your innocence. The town should not lose a townie because you were too angry to respond to a few questions.

[bgg1996]

7 new posts were made since I wrote that.

[GreyICE]

bgg only has 4 votes, i had the same until you pulled off. If there isn't a wagon on me, then there isn't a wagon on bgg. You don't get to have it both ways.

Was five until I took my vote off him. You had 3 until I voted? LOL. Yeah, not the same.

I feel Xine's behavior is completely scummy, and now that I know the 'character' was what you were doing at the start of this thread, it makes more sense to me. Frankly, I like the new Neruz more, although you could tone it down with the 'retard' shit.

[Neruz]

At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.

I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.

If you honestly don't know why

threatening the town

is anti-town, then i don't know what to say, because i don't speak idiot.

Are you even going to answer these questions?

No.

Did you even read this post!?!

Also no.

I am afraid i blacked out half-way through reading the line that started with "The reason is because", i suspect this may be because you once again said something retarded about my claiming all aggressive play everywhere under all circumstances regardless of rhyme or reason was a scumtell and everyone who is ever even slightly aggressive in any way shape or form should be lynched immediately with no further questions asked, but as i have no memory of the incident i cannot be certain.

If my suspicion is correct, please apply a belt sander to your face with judicious force until all the stupidity, misplaced condescension and blood is removed from your system.

[GreyICE]

In other words, yes I am stupid, but you still have to answer my stupid questions.

No, i don't. Hiraki has already pointed out how stupid you're being, if you like i can do the same; you're stupid, your 'question' is stupid. I have answered why i voted you and why i believe you to be scum already, in fact i'm fairly sure i've answered that stupid question twice now.

I asked two questions. This makes it seem like you did not read my post completely. Please read it again. Now have something to eat. You are clearly way too angry to post. If you are too angry, then your posts will not help

town

very much, and instead of conveying information that will help the

town

catch, and kill scum, you are making the town angry at you, which, if you are indeed

town

, make us lose another

townie

. Since the people who are reading this seem to be very dense, let me say that this is under the assumption that he is

town

BECAUSE this is what he would want to do if he was

town

. If he doesn't, he is not acting in the interest of the

town

.

Also, if questions are stupid, that probably only means that the person asking them is stupid. Stupid people aren't any more likely to be mafia than smart ones, and while it may make it more likely that they are scum, it is not a good idea to suspect somebody based purely on how

"

f*cking retarded

"

they are being.

Mafia typically hide behind stupid questions because they have to make up their scumhunting. Mafia cannot actually scumhunt because they are the scum, therefore they have to

create

scumtells, which typically comes across as stupid and\or retarded questions, often re-hashing points that were already made and carefully laundering quotes so as to make their fabricated case look convincing.

Did I ever re-hash points that were already made?
Did I ever launder a quote?

I'm not asking scummy questions that seem stupid, I'm asking questions.

I'm not the most experienced player. I didn't see much, if any particularly scummy posts.

I have to find the scum, and vote for them. Otherwise, they win.

I was looking for anything that might seem suspicious. What I want to do is to win it for the town. What you want to do is lynch the people who annoy you too much with questions. Questions help us determine who is scum and who is town. By not answering my questions you are acting in the exact opposite way in which a

townie

should act. You are doing things that may may lose the game for the

town.

You are acting in the preference of the mafia scum. Read over the questions, and answer them in detail.

I'm sick of your bullshit and i'm sick of [Redacted]'s bullshit. You clearly have no clue what the hell you're doing; to call you a newbie is an insult to newbies everywhere. Why you're playing this game and not learning how to play mafia properly in the newbie games i don't even know, but i suspect it may be because you are actually braindead and\or fucking with us. I don't know which and i don't care.

Does that make me any more likely to be scum?
Does that make it okay to lynch me?
Do you have any other significant reason other than an over-exaggerated poorly-quoted eleven-word sentence?
Are you even going to answer these questions?
Did you even read this post!?!

At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.

I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

GreyICE, you might want to make your bandwagoning slightly less blatant. I know my explosion makes me look like an easy lynch right now, but it's going to look real shitty for you when i flip town, because that vote right there is so opportunistic it hurts.

I would scream at you for that bullshit about thinking aggression on day 1 is a scumtell, but it's clear at this point you've already decided what i said for me, and i'm all screamed out, so i'll just make it short and sweet.

It is not simply because you had an emotional breakdown, of sorts.
The reason is because, not that I necessarily do or do not agree with it, because you first said aggressive play was a scumtell, then flew into a rage and strangled somebody.

Fuck you, scum.

I do hope that you don't curse:
According to their posts, about half of the people here, including you, are still in grade school.

Please respond to any and all questions directed at you, or else necessary actions will be taken. If you are

town

, then you should have no trouble proving your innocence. The town should not lose a

townie

because you were too angry to respond to a few questions.

ANYONE ELSE GET THE FEELING THIS IS TRYING A BIT TOO HARD?

I STILL THINK MY VOTE IS ON SCUM. DECISIONS, DECISIONS.

WAIT. XINE SCUM IS NEAR-CERTAIN, THIS COULD JUST BE

REALLY

BAD. NOPE, NOT MOVING.

[bgg1996]

If you are not going to answer my questions or even read my posts, then call me braindead and retarded, then I do not see how you could be town.

If you were town then you should be either looking for mafia or trying to prove that your suspects are mafia to others,

not

just call others retarded until they snap.

Your post is rather infuriating. Is your purpose to make me snap? To make me say something incriminating?


If you continue to refuse to answer my questions, my suspicions will be strengthened and I will be forced to vote for your lynch and death.

[Llamarble]

I don't think there's a particular lack of counterwagon; also several players have been defending bgg. If you want to find him town, do so because you think his play is unfakeable.
I am too tired right now to figure out if Neruz is townflailing or scumflailing.
I am leaning more toward town on GreyIce and more toward scum on Xine now though. I am also a bit tired to explain that, which I realize is pretty much a total reversal of some of the few reads I've given. I'll make up for it tomorrow. Good night.

[Neruz]

If you are not going to answer my questions

[

Are you even going to answer these questions?

No.

even read my posts

At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.

I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.

ಠ_ಠ

[Hiraki]

This is town flail.

Scum flail have much less content and usually use WIFOM. I'm not voting Neruz.

[Xine]

I don't know about that, Neruz has declared willingness to lynch someone he believes to be town to remove an annoying player. I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz? I've seen enough to have reached a decision
VOTE: Neruz

[Hiraki]

Um. Xine.

#294 says "Haiiii~"

What's your response?

[GreyICE]

I don't know about that, Neruz has declared willingness to lynch someone he believes to be town to remove an annoying player. I thought the plan was to lynch scum, wasn't that your plan, Neruz? I've seen enough to have reached a decision
VOTE: Neruz

Scum scum scum scum scum

This is such a scum post.

[Xine]

Hiraki, I just voted in response to #294, I really don't understand your question. If you would like me to answer it, (if I haven't already) please rephrase it for me
GreyICE, why is that a scum post, other then that your pissed that I figured out from page one that you are scum, and you are stuck on OMGUS?

[Hiraki]

No, i don't. Hiraki has already pointed out how stupid you're being, if you like i can do the same; you're stupid, your 'question' is stupid. I have answered why i voted you and why

i believe you to be scum

Mafia

typically hide

Some be makin some good bullshit up.

Yes I did paraphrase by cutting the quote. But no where in that post had a mention of Bgg-town, just that he's scum for asking useless questions in order to create fake scumtells.

That's enough for me to add you to be Scumero Tres.

Unvote, Vote: Xine

[bgg1996]

If you are not going to answer my questions

[

Are you even going to answer these questions?

No.

even read my posts

At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.

I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.

ಠ_ಠ

I'm not retarded. I can detect sarcasm.
Obviously you read the post, but you did not read my posts thoroughly, as to search for scum. You looked at it, then typed a response based on your initial feeling of hatred, did not include any information that could possibly be helpful to town, and continue to do so. You do not answer any answers whose answers may be helpful to the town. You answered the questions that would see if you even read the post, or had any plans to answer them in the future. Even if you knew the answers would not be helpful, it would keep a vote off of you which will get you lynched otherwise.
I highly suggest that you answer the questions now.





Also,

even read my posts

At this point i would actually lynch you even if i had incontrovertible proof that you were town, just so i don't have to read another one of your mind-numbingly stupid posts.

I sincerely hope that you are kidding. Please, let you be kidding. Please tell me you are kidding.

I am not kidding, i believe that reading your posts may actually be causing me permanent brain damage.

I hope you're still being sarcastic.

@Hiraki, who just posted while I was writing this, this is what Xine was referring to.

[bgg1996]

This is town flail.

Scum flail have much less content and usually use WIFOM. I'm not voting Neruz.

Okay. I give up.

How could your scumbuddy possibly have less content than a single bolded smiley.

[GreyICE]

Hiraki, I just voted in response to #294, I really don't understand your question. If you would like me to answer it, (if I haven't already) please rephrase it for me
GreyICE, why is that a scum post, other then that your pissed that I figured out from page one that you are scum, and you are stuck on OMGUS?

Transparently horrible reason for voting, since we've ALL had townies we wanted to kill at some time or another, bad excuse to hop on a bandwagon, laaaaammmeee posting overall, yeah. It's like run up a pirate flag and put on a fireworks show while you're at it.

[Hiraki]

This is town flail.

Scum flail have much less content and usually use WIFOM. I'm not voting Neruz.

Okay. I give up.

How could your scumbuddy possibly have less content than a single bolded smiley.

YOU GOT ME BGG. HE ONLY DID HAVE ONE DEFENDING POST.

[DeathRowKitty]

Okay, catching up time. First thing that really catches my eye is this post because of the possible connection between Neruz and Nathanael. To me, this post doesn't seem like bussing/distancing for some reason. It's mostly because of part a of his questioning of Neruz. If I were questioning a buddy, "why do you think I think you're scum?" is pretty much something I'd avoid at all costs, simply because my reaction to seeing that if I were on the receiving end of it would be "because it says so in my role PM, idiot" or something to that effect. Could be overthinking it, I suppose, but we'll see how it turns out.

bgg's explanations are getting dangerously far into WIFOMy metascum territory, but I'm still really not getting a scum feel off of them. This is where it would be nice to see a more recent game he played as scum, but he's refused to provide links from recent games, so I don't know.

@bgg
How would you describe your scum meta (beyond "try to look like I'm town")?

I still disagree with a BGG lynch atm and will be making a post about DRK on Monday

You sure know how to make a guy feel special

I don't like the line of attack Hiraki's been following on bgg (see here for an example). It kind of feels like he's prodding bgg with a sharp stick and then going "ZOMG U SAID "OUCH" LOLSCUM"

Minor Neruz explosion in thread? check. Experience tells me Neruz-splosion isn't a scum tell and I don't find [Redacted]'s case hugely convincing, so meh. *sits on Neruz's fence*

I would like to see more out of Llamarble. My gut doesn't like him, but his posts aren't giving a huge amount to go on right now. I also want to look a bit more into Hiraki. For some rason, despite his having a reasonable number of posts, he's managed to fly almost completely under my radar.

[Llamarble]

Okay, today I'll make a complete set of reads & explanations.