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I've made a list of thoughts for tomorrow that aren't really reads. I will have updated reads post-flips if I'm alive in the morning. I've seen too many scum quicktopics based on end-of-day recently, particularly Newbie ones.
- Not lynching RayFrost based on the cases presented on him thus far. They're pretty frivolous.
- Not auto-lynching ajolin. Pressuring him is acceptable, yes, but I've been doing a lot of newbie modding recently, and though my sample size is a bit small, I've been surprised that 100% of non-lylo quickhammers have been from newbie town.
- Getting David to put a/some vote(s) out and get out of his comfort zone.
- Not lynching based on typical Vote Count Analysis. In my last modded game, the scum team perfectly won, despite neither of them being on a lynching bandwagon until Lylo. Take your wagon analysis on an individual, case-by-case basis.
- If Toxic flips town, don't be demoralized. Want to lynch scum that much more. Read the thread a few times over, think of something someone else hasn't. Don't be bored of this game and don't let it die, town. That's one of the biggest mistakes towns fall prey to, I think.
Have a good night, everyone.Alt of Ariel | MafiaScum wiki volunteer contributor & sysop | Identity (Mish Mash) is back | Speakeasy Secret Santa
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Tasky Mafia Scum
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VOTECOUNT 1.8!
Twistedspoon (LYNCH!): RayFrost, Voidedmafia, toxictaipan, jindori, ajolin
toxictaipan (1/5): Twistedspoon
David Xanatos (1/5): KittyMo
jidori (1/5): Dekes
Not voting (1): David Xanatos
Lynch has been reached. Mod scene coming.Last edited by Tasky on Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.-
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Tasky Mafia Scum
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Night 1 is over, andDekes, Vanilla Towniehas been killed.
Deadline for Day 2 is 08.05.2011 at 11:00 CET.
Since 7 players are alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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Twistedspoon Jack of All Trades
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bah post time and boy do i have one >_>
didn't even let me claim did you. It's common courtesy, but no. Lynching the cop is fine with you i guess
not sure how much I'm allowed to rage in a bah post, so I'll leave it at that
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RayFrost Survivor
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I assume you mean D2, mod?
TP: please don't do game-content in bah post (like the claim thing) in the future.
I really,reallydon't like ajolin's hammer, but I feel that it's more of a not-used-to-site-meta / newbie issue than a scumtell. From my understanding, ajolin's hammering is the norm for where he comes from. Ajolin: in the future, it's kosher to wait for a claim before hammering. Doing otherwise is bad play unless the person is 100% confirmed scum (example: if twistedspoon got an investigation on scum).
Going into today, I really dislike david at this point. He's provided a minimal level of content, he hasn't really taken any stances on the players in this game, and he's generally been active lurking. His posts contain the information of his mostly null stances without the backing of analyses. I'd like it if you, David, provided a list of your top two scum readswith reasoning.
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Tasky Mafia Scum
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RayFrost wrote:I assume you mean D2, mod?Fixed, thank you-
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Voidedmafia Jack of All Trades
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Ray, you do have a point that it could be just newbtown and all, but look at what he's said after the hammer. It's pretty obvious that his main reason for doing it was pretty much for his own lulz. No one in their right mind should be THAT hopeful for their lynch, unless they're just desperate to get out of it, and Ajolin was in no such position when he hammered.
Vote: Ajolin, and I hope you'll do better with your explanation this time.
Kitty: Well, looks like the threat of you being the NK is over for now. Mind giving us those reads Dekes asked for?
Jindori, anyone else: You, too. Top two scumspects.
As for me, my top 2 were Ajol and Jin, like I said yesterday, with Ajol being #1 and getting my vote.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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VOTECOUNT 2.1
David Xanatos (1/4): RayFrost
ajolin (1/4): Voidedmafia
Not voting (5): David Xanatos, jindori, ajolin, toxictaipan, KittyMo
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Tell me. What is theVoidedmafia wrote:Ray, you do have a point that it could be just newbtown and all, but look at what he's said after the hammer. It's pretty obvious that his main reason for doing it was pretty much for his own lulz. No one in their right mind should be THAT hopeful for their lynch, unless they're just desperate to get out of it, and Ajolin was in no such position when he hammered.
Vote: Ajolin, and I hope you'll do better with your explanation this time.
Kitty: Well, looks like the threat of you being the NK is over for now. Mind giving us those reads Dekes asked for?
Jindori, anyone else: You, too. Top two scumspects.
As for me, my top 2 were Ajol and Jin, like I said yesterday, with Ajol being #1 and getting my vote.scum motivation behind both his action and him admitting his reasons honestly regarding it? If you can't answer this, I am unable to approve of your vote.
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:approval: (my scumspects are david and xanatos)don't you feel silly now?-
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[quote="Ajolin]Well, if he flips town I get lynch,Voidedmafia wrote:Ray, you do have a point that it could be just newbtown and all, but look at what he's said after the hammer. It's pretty obvious that his main reason for doing it was pretty much for his own lulz. No one in their right mind should be THAThopeful for their lynch, unless they're just desperate to get out of it, and Ajolin was in no such position when he hammered.which I really hope won't happen,especially considering how much trouble a few of you were going through getting evidence for his case. I also know, however, that what happens next should be fun to watch.[/quote]
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I'm not sure that I have a concrete top 2, but the major things bugging me right now are Jindori's active lurking toward the end of the day and David's lurkiness and seeming to forget about Toxic once the lynch no longer looked viable. But, I think Jindori's entrance post will be very telling.
ajolin: In the future, if you don't feel good about hammering, then don't hammer. In some cases, gut/intuition can see what logic cannot.
I'll go ahead and re-VOTE: David Xanatos for now.Alt of Ariel | MafiaScum wiki volunteer contributor & sysop | Identity (Mish Mash) is back | Speakeasy Secret Santa
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Voidedmafia Jack of All Trades
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ajolin wrote:
[quote="Ajolin]Well, if he flips town I get lynch,Voidedmafia wrote:Ray, you do have a point that it could be just newbtown and all, but look at what he's said after the hammer. It's pretty obvious that his main reason for doing it was pretty much for his own lulz. No one in their right mind should be THAThopeful for their lynch, unless they're just desperate to get out of it, and Ajolin was in no such position when he hammered.which I really hope won't happen,especially considering how much trouble a few of you were going through getting evidence for his case. I also know, however, that what happens next should be fun to watch.
...wat?[/quote][/quote][/quote]
*sigh* I hate it when I misread things.
Correction: Hopeful for the NK.
Ray: Getting rid of an active town decreases the likelihood of said town turning their eyes on him. The fact that Twisted flipped cop just sweetens the deal.
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Then again...beyond that, I can't really think of why because that would also draw the eye of nearly every other player in the game, or at least more than one. I just think that the hammer was way to oppurtunistic and devoid of any form of prior thinking (disregarding later defense, just think of when he actually voted) to be townish in any way.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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I really don't like how jindori put Twistedspoon at L-1 like that. It was justaskingfor someone to come in and hammer vote. Although I'll agree that I don't think ajolin is scum. I just don't get a strong scum feel off of his hammer for some reason. Something about it seems... off, I guess.
For now, I'll be voting for jindori.
VOTE: jindori-
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RayFrost Survivor
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Can you point to how he's "hopeful for the NK" and how that would be a scumtell if he was? If he can be NK'd, he's town.Voidedmafia wrote:*sigh* I hate it when I misread things.
Correction: Hopeful for the NK.
Ray: Getting rid of an active town decreases the likelihood of said town turning their eyes on him. The fact that Twisted flipped cop just sweetens the deal.
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Then again...beyond that, I can't really think of why because that would also draw the eye of nearly every other player in the game, or at least more than one. I just think that the hammer was way to oppurtunistic and devoid of any form of prior thinking (disregarding later defense, just think of when he actually voted) to be townish in any way.
If he wanted to get rid of an active town, wouldn't he have made sure he at least had some semblance of reasoning rather than going "HERPDERPLOLHAMMER" in order to have a modicum of not-sacrificial play? I really don't see it coming from scum.
Precisely my point: it's too conspicuous. The opportunism is counteracted by the fact it's an attention getter. It would be an opportunity if he could've one it without much suspicion. The lack of prior thinking reads more town than scum to me. Think about it this way: scum plan their moves ahead of time and try to avoid suspicion. Town improvise and to an extent don't want to be suspected but are on the whole more busy searching for scum. Town won't have plans and setups on d1: the lack of premeditated hammering just doesn't seem like the caution scum would put in their game, especially new-scum.don't you feel silly now?-
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What do you feel is the scum motivation behind putting twisted at l-1? A claim? Hoping for a premature and highly unlikely with almost no chance of happening hammer?toxictaipan wrote:I really don't like how jindori put Twistedspoon at L-1 like that. It was justaskingfor someone to come in and hammer vote. Although I'll agree that I don't think ajolin is scum. I just don't get a strong scum feel off of his hammer for some reason. Something about it seems... off, I guess.
For now, I'll be voting for jindori.
VOTE: jindori
If it was the second one, why hasn't jindori immediately gone hard slam on ajolin here? The claim doesn't work since claiming is done when someone who isn't on your wagon says they want to vote you and ask for a claim, not when you're at l-1.don't you feel silly now?-
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Jindori, who do you think is scum? Why? I WANT SUSPICIONS AND LOGIC DAMMIT.jindori wrote:@Toxic if you really didn't like me putting at l-1 why didn't you unvote him. I noticed you were online when i did it. You could of unvoted. It really was bad that he was cop and i didn't expect that. But we can still recover.don't you feel silly now?-
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Now that jindori's posted, opinion pl0x.KittyMo wrote:I'm not sure that I have a concrete top 2, but the major things bugging me right now are Jindori's active lurking toward the end of the day and David's lurkiness and seeming to forget about Toxic once the lynch no longer looked viable. But, I think Jindori's entrance post will be very telling.
ajolin: In the future, if you don't feel good about hammering, then don't hammer. In some cases, gut/intuition can see what logic cannot.
I'll go ahead and re-VOTE: David Xanatos for now.
What's your feeling about voided here? Do you feel his attack on ajolin is sincere? If you had to decide to lynch someone right now who would it be and why? You were rather sadly lacking in anything really resembling suspicions D1 and I don't like that. I mean, you got some, but it was marginal. Your whole hiding of information D1 stuff doesn't seem viable to me: town should value the spread of information more than dying or giving the information specifically to scum. Scum being influenced by a single player's suspicions seems unlikely, so I don't get why you felt you had a great pull on what the NK would be.don't you feel silly now?-
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Also I think we should look at which player got killed Dekes. What does this tell you, it says that scum was trying to set me up. My active lurking near the end of day 2 was because my computer broke down and bieng watched by a teacher is nerve racking. You can notice how my posting pattern changed when I said my comp broke down as well.
Anyway i think i will give a reading on Voided. I don't really trust voided that much. Voided just seems to be going for low hanging fruit (aka ajolin and I). Also he pushed the case on twisted the hardest, yet is outraged when twisted is voted off. Saying that twisted is almost certain scum and then claiming to want to keep him in longer. If he was certin scum why have hesitations about twisted being voted. Also another fact dekes brought up this. Look who died, by killing dekes you would of gained the most out of everyone. Suspicion is cast on me it's impossible for dekes to bring up the case again. It's just a win win for you.
Edit also ray i was posting my opion but my teacher caught me and i was ninjaed by you 4 times. The bad thing is i have to print this off a redo all the spelling errors nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.It's a sin to tell a lie.
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NK analysis is a load of WIFOM. It's just as easily possible that scum decided to kill dekes to frame voided, who dekes suspected rather heavily. It's not really a great argument.jindori wrote:Also I think we should look at which player got killed Dekes. What does this tell you, it says that scum was trying to set me up. My active lurking near the end of day 2 was because my computer broke down and bieng watched by a teacher is nerve racking. You can notice how my posting pattern changed when I said my comp broke down as well.
Anyway i think i will give a reading on Voided. I don't really trust voided that much. Voided just seems to be going for low hanging fruit (aka ajolin and I). Also he pushed the case on twisted the hardest, yet is outraged when twisted is voted off. Saying that twisted is almost certain scum and then claiming to want to keep him in longer. If he was certin scum why have hesitations about twisted being voted. Also another fact dekes brought up this. Look who died, by killing dekes you would of gained the most out of everyone. Suspicion is cast on me it's impossible for dekes to bring up the case again. It's just a win win for you.
Being outraged at a premature hammer isn't really suspect, imo. Your arguing that voided should be completely satisfied with a lynch of the cop that happened without a claim, before twisted could reply to most of the case(s) against him, and with rather lacking quantities of content from both you and david. You should analyze for yourself ust how terrible your logic here.don't you feel silly now?-
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Truthelly i didn't expect anyone to hammer that early, I didn't think anyone in their right mind would hammer that early. I also think i am the one who will be lynched today. Also i am still suspicious of toxic But if i vote him you guys be like it's a omgus vote, which i think omgus is a bunch of bs. The first thing is the argument with you but what I want to elabrate on, is the fact he copied david xanatos reasons in post 199. Which I would look into if i was you since david xanatos is high on your scum list. This actually made twisted wagon the biggest. Then post 212 and post 214. Trying to discredit twisted spoon earlier an argument even through it wasn't even brought up. I can fish more latter when i have time.It's a sin to tell a lie.
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