NY 143: Mafia on the Gulf Coast (Game Over!)

[Trumpet of Doom]

Vote Count:

Shattered Viewpoint (6, L-5): Furcolow, Alabaska J, Bogre, Tajun, Princess Kiwi, Lowell

Alabaska J (4, L-7): ConSpiracy, Nero Cain, Amrun, PeregrineV
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2, L-9):

mb53

mastin2, MacDougall
Mist Beauty (2, L-9): Isa, Zombeh-Pug
Princess Kiwi (1, L-10): Pine
Nero Cain (1, L-10): Super Smash Bros. Fan
Zombeh-Pug (1, L-10): Haze
bvoigt (1, L-10): Sampson
MacDougall (1, L-10): bvoigt

Not Voting (2): Shattered Viewpoint, Mist Beauty

11 votes are required to lynch, 6 at deadline.
If deadline were to hit right now, Shattered Viewpoint would be lynched.

Deadline:

Wednesday, November 30, ~11:59 PM US CST (GMT-6)

[mastin2]

Back.

Yup.

Kiwi's town.

Mist's not.

Minor town lean. Non-standard opinion, looks like real scumhunting, but the inclusion of the RVote freaks me out.

Yup. Scum.

In fact, I realized this five minutes after I left. I forgot to vote.

Unvote, VOTE: Nero Cain

.

Zombeh-Pug (3, L-8): Tajun, PeregrineV, Haze
Amrun (2, L-9): Pine, ConSpiracy
Lowell (2, L-9): Amrun, Nero Cain
Sampson (1, L-10): Lowell
ConSpiracy (1, L-10): Princess Kiwi
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1, L-10): mb53
mb53 (1, L-10): Zombeh-Pug
Mist Beauty (1, L-10): Shattered Viewpoint
Pine (1, L-10): Isa
Princess Kiwi (1, L-10): Mist Beauty
Isa (1, L-10): Sampson

Not Voting (6): Furcolow, Bogre, Alabaska J, MacDougall, Super Smash Bros. Fan, bvoigt

I said five scum, right? Well, one of these Not Voting people is scum. Tajun's scum on Zombeh. Nero's scum on the two (2) voters, and the other three present are town. So that's 2 scum for sure.
There's two to three more. Which means 1-2 in the (1) voters, and 1-2 in Not Voting. Since there's eight (1) wagons, my money's on two in there. I have Mist (3/4-5), and semi-Zombeh (SK), but I still need one more. Also, I need to find the scum in Not Voting.

Oh god the typical condescending attitude in this game. So helpful, I'm loving the activity.

I seem to recall this being a little bit hypocritical.

Quite honestly, I skimmed. My first thought was scum, for voting Lowell while calling out the policy wagon, but he unvoted and after that I thought, "oh, nevermind; he's town". (Though I must admit, it's mainly 'cause I'm thinking "He's Mastin." )

Though Doug missed the unvote, he beat me to the punch on the main issue which I saw from Alabaska's post, so he's town.

Anyway, that's through page four.
Which means I'm three down, 1-2 scum left to go. Easy enough!

[mastin2]

Tl;dr so far?

TOWN:
Pine
Lowell
PeregrineV
Amrun
ConSpiracy

Isa
Haze
Alabaska J
Shattered Viewpoint (I did say town earlier, right?)
Sampson
MacDougall
Princess Kiwi

STILL READING:
Furcolow
Bogre
Super Smash Bros. Fan
bvoigt

SCUM:
Nero Cain
Mist Beauty
Tajun

SK: Zombeh-Pug

[PeregrineV]

Welcome Mastin!

@Mod: V/LA Nov 23- Nov28, but will post if I get the time.

Noted. - ToD

[Mist Beauty]

I'm V/LA, sent it through a PM. And I'm trying to get up a little content in each game whenever I can. You'll notice no walls, and to be honest, there is little substance in the game that needs addressing. Priority-wise, the deadline is a week away, and if this is your best scumhunting, I do not see you as a strong asset to the town.

[Mist Beauty]

I'll go through my notes on this game and put down a vote. In the meantime, please explain why I'm scum mastin. Aside from lurking of course.

[mastin2]

Zombeh-Pug (3, L-8): Tajun, PeregrineV, Haze
Princess Kiwi (3, L-8): Mist Beauty, Pine, Lowell

Six total.
Which'd mean 1-2 scum.

Yeah, well, guess who are coincidentally at the heads of both wagons?

(Scum.)

However. I must say I'm a bit concerned.

Amrun (1, L-10): ConSpiracy
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1, L-10): mb53
mb53 (1, L-10): Zombeh-Pug
Mist Beauty (1, L-10): Shattered Viewpoint
Pine (1, L-10): Isa
Isa (1, L-10): Sampson

Six (1) wagons should mean 1-2 scum in HERE as well. Zombeh makes half via SKness. The rest are townreads of mine. Will probably need to pay more attention. Isa and ConSpiracy are stronger townreads than SV and Sampson. So if I had to say there was one scum in here (other than Zombeh), it'd be Sampson.

And of course. There's 1-2 scum here too.

Not Voting (7): Furcolow, Bogre, Alabaska J, Super Smash Bros. Fan, bvoigt, Princess Kiwi, MacDougall

Less townreads here. Doug, Kiwi, and Alabaska narrows it down. There's Furcolow, Bogre, Smash Bros, and bv. 1-2 scum, definitely. Given how I know where two scum are, suspect a third in the (2)...that leaves 1-2 scum between the (1) voters and the Not Voting wagons.

Yeah, SK.

So other than the top post (votecount) and end post (Nero scumposting), I kinda wish I had skipped all of page five. It seems like a LOT of townVtown fighting in there.

Princess Kiwi (4, L-7): Mist Beauty,

Pine, Lowell, PeregrineV

Zombeh-Pug (2, L-9): Tajun, Haze
Lowell (2, L-9):

Amrun

, Nero Cain
Amrun (1, L-10):

ConSpiracy
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1, L-10): mb53

mb53 (1, L-10):

Zombeh-Pug

Mist Beauty (1, L-10): Shattered Viewpoint
Pine (1, L-10):

Isa

Isa (1, L-10): Sampson
PeregrineV (1, L-10):

Alabaska J

Not Voting (6): Furcolow, Bogre, Super Smash Bros. Fan, bvoigt,

Princess Kiwi, MacDougall

Ah, much better. One scum, still in the same four. One scum on Kiwi. Two scum on the (2) wagons. That's 0-1 scum in the (1) voters.

Okay, BV's town. One down, three to check.

So, SV is town. Tajun would not bus two of his buddies.

Weak townread, which'd mean it's either Furcolow or Smash Bros.

[mastin2]

Which means I'm half done, having read through six. I've got the scum list almost completely done.

TOWN:
Pine
Lowell
PeregrineV
Amrun
ConSpiracy

Isa
Haze
Alabaska J
Shattered Viewpoint
bvoigt
MacDougall
Bogre
Princess Kiwi

STILL READING:
Furcolow
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Sampson

SCUM:
Nero Cain
Mist Beauty
Tajun
1 of {Furcolow, Smash Bros}
Sampson?

SK: Zombeh-Pug

[mastin2]

So Furcolow.

In Mirror Mafia.

You informed us all.

That you had a meta as town.
To wallpost.

And that when you don't wallpost.
You're scum.

So mind explaining to me why none of your posts, not even this one, match your Mirror Mafia ones?


(And I didn't even get them all; I simply lost track of which ones I linked and which I didn't. )


Yeah. Furcolow's in his scum meta this game.

Which means Smash Bros is by proxy instantly-town. YAY! FOUR SCUM FOUND! Fifth potential one on the ropes! (Sampson.) Plus the SK in the bag.

Perfect town win, here we come.

[mastin2]

TOWN:
Pine
Lowell
PeregrineV
Amrun
ConSpiracy

Isa
Haze
Alabaska J
Shattered Viewpoint
bvoigt
MacDougall
Bogre
Super Smash Bros. Fan
Princess Kiwi

STILL READING:
Sampson

SCUM:
Nero Cain
Mist Beauty
Tajun
Furcolow
Sampson?

SK: Zombeh-Pug

Man, you guys made this way too easy on me.

[Mist Beauty]

oh god plz no scum mastin2 replacement. that would be the WORST.

[mastin2]

Well, I've got the scum. So reading the other five or so pages is more like a common courtesy than necessity.

This guy's so town it's not even funny.

Seriously, though.

You guys can't think Nero's town, right?

Why did I say he was town again?

Shattered Viewpoint (6, L-5): Isa, Furcolow, Alabaska J, Bogre, Tajun, Princess Kiwi

So I see this, and I think, "SCUM!"
As in, driven by.

Isa's town. I think back when I was new, I might've been asked once if I was an Alabaska Alt, for dang-good reason. But, uh. This looks like my town-self? Bogre's weaker-town, and Kiwi's an old scum-read turned town-read, of unknown strength. So guess what?

That's Furcolow and Tajun, both dead-caught scum.

Lowell (2, L-9): Amrun, Nero Cain
Super Smash Bros. Fan (2, L-9): mb53, MacDougall

So, between these two (2) wagons, we get a four. That requires one scum. Guess who?
(Hint: their name starts with "N".)

Princess Kiwi (3, L-8): Pine, Lowell, PeregrineV
Not Voting (3): Super Smash Bros. Fan, Shattered Viewpoint, Mist Beauty

Between these, we get a (6) wagon. So it should be 1-2. Mist takes care of the Not Voting scum (clearing Smash Bros and SV), and I *believe* the Kiwi wagon is all-town. Pine is, Lowell is, and PeregrineV looks town enough. (Though he is the weakest link; IF there is scum there, it's him.)

So that's 4-5 out of five.

Leaving 0-1 out of the (1) voters...

Amrun (1, L-10): Zombeh-Pug
Zombeh-Pug (1, L-10): Haze
Nero Cain (1, L-10): bvoigt
Alabaska J (1, L-10): ConSpiracy
bvoigt (1, L-10): Sampson

...Where Sampson is.

Yeah, I'm not crazy. This IS our scumteam, guys.

This guy is pure town.

So I'm through ten pages. And I'm not getting the Nero townread. The Sampson thing makes more sense with them as scumbuddies than it does with either as town. Or if it did, then there's nothing preventing him from pursuing both Sampson AND who they were trying to pursue (forget who), two birds for one stone.

[Pine]

Nah, he's Town. Trust me on this one.

Unvote
Vote: Fuckalow

#shamelesslysheepingmastin

[Mist Beauty]

Vote: MistBeauty

Reminds me too much of Mist7676.

Hi, everyone. Don't lynch me if you know what's good for you..

Who is Mist7676? Is this association due to the word "Mist" in our usernames, or is there anything else?

I'm actually interested in lynching you now...

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

Obviously not a substantial vote. It's also post 48 in the game. Mother of god... I think that I should use mo no syl la ble words be cause it is tough to un der stand hu mor or sar casm for some play ers in games.

Which makes me a little curious to Mist: you were so gun-ho about your last vote, but now all of a sudden you've switched your attention entirely to me? What happened to:

I'm actually interested in lynching you now...
Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

? What made you drop that so suddenly, when you had been so frank about it before? Soft bussing then dropping off before it could go anywhere? Because that was literally your previous post before you jumped on me.

Tag fixed. - ToD

Waves of stupidity. Usually, when I really want to lynch someone, and my vote is serious, I have many reasons and actually explain WHY someone is scummy. I can't believe people are asking for clarification on my first vote the entire game when we were still in RVS.

Pine, kiwi isn't the one doing that....


But Lowell is seriously a liability in LyLo and that needs to be taken into account. No one else on this list that I know if is that bad.

I slightly ridiculed calls for Lowell lynches early on in the day, but I think I'm just basing this off of one good dayvig shot with an explanation afterwards. I wanted to clarify that I'm okay with this.

Isa, I didn't initially respond to 35 & 37 because they were blitheringly stupid.

Point #1:

Scum wouldn't do that! It attracts attention.

Of course they wouldn't do it on purpose you twit. That's why I made a point to recognize it as an involuntary sign of nervousness. No one is ever scummy on purpose, that's why it's a catch and not a simple DC 0 Listen check of someone shouting "I am scum!" from a mountain top.

Point #2:

Can't Town be nervous?

Of course they can. This point deserved an extra special "no comment," but since you brought it up again and aren't letting go, I'm forced to respond. Town power roles can sometimes act the same way, as can anyone else. It just comes a lot more often from scum, especially in large games where there's a lot more challenge. Congratulations, you've forced me to point that out to scum who may not have considered it.

Kindly go sit in the corner, adults are scumhunting.

lol. I think that Pine is one of my strong town reads.

Please identify which of your posts have been "bitchy".

No.

you serious, zombiepug?

Wow, miss a day and a half and 6 pages in... Will be a trick to keep up with this one I see.

Amrun and Nero Cain are both tough to get reads on, but interesting to watch. The only scummy seeming thing that I have seen so far has come from Shattered Viewpoint and Mist Beauty, ala these posts.

Vote: MistBeauty

Reminds me too much of Mist7676.

Hi, everyone. Don't lynch me if you know what's good for you..

Who is Mist7676? Is this association due to the word "Mist" in our usernames, or is there anything else?

I'm actually interested in lynching you now...

Vote: Shattered Viewpoint

Both of these seem... off. Not sure why, but this seems somewhat like setting up an argument for a cross bus to me. Tough to say this early though.

I hate playing multiple games with the same people at the same time. =.=

Amrun's vote was without a doubt hypocritical, and pretty bad, but not necessarily scummy. Kiwi and isa are more scummy that Amrun in my eyes. Kiwi seems to be defending/distancing already. I'm getting a vibe that she has too much knowledge.

Vote: Princess Kiwi

pedit: Amrun, this is why I dislike many of your posts. You don't answer many claims and dismiss people as stupid. This attitude will not get you very far, and turns many people against you, needlessly.

Next person to vote Amrun needs to explain their vote, not sheeping or parroting.

This (the bolded part) feels like trying too hard to seem town to me. Not bad advise in general, but on page three, with little information, and L-8 on Amrun? Certainly suspicious in my books.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mist Beauty

Are you guys kidding me? Do you do this in every game where anyone puts an omgus vote down in RQS?

Also, it was for wagon balancing. I'm sure scum would have loved to add onto a growing amrun wagon, but not without serious reasoning. I don't see how this hurts the town, but it certainly makes things harder for scum.

Oh my god why is everyone in this thread so verbose.

I'll deal with things that caught my eye for now, promise a reread tomorrow.

Zombie pug: I know about the Random part, but why use a die? Do you do this every game? (As in, USE A DIE TO VOTE?) Do you always quote "random.org" do you always show your result? If you voted randomly, why bother mentioning you used a machine?

Mist: Why did you quote a wall to point out Amrun being condescending/rude (bitchy?)? Is this related to your theory of her being scum? Or is this you just objecting to the way she posts/playstyle?

Finally Tajun: I could've SWORN that #48 is a joke. The internet makes it hard, but hey.

It is a pleasure to play games with Haze.

Yeah, I assumed it was RVS more or less. It just seemed a bit strange, as did the post by Shattered Viewpoint.

Shattered viewpoint's statement seemed like the kind of thing I would say as scum

, hoping people would say "Scum wouldn't say anything that bizarre, he must be town". Could just be that I am way

way

overthinking it though.

My point on post 54 is the basis of most of my suspicion for Mist Beauty, post 48 was kind of after the fact.

as per what i bolded:
why did you vote Mist Beauty, then, and not Shattered Viewpoint?

This was a good post.

UNVOTE VOTE SHATTERED VIEWPOINT

Withdrawn vote definitely deserves some discussion.

ironically enough, many people voted shattered viewpoint.

Pine and mb53 have been prodded.

Mist Beauty has declared V/LA through Wednesday.

Learn to read, Isa.

VOTE: Mist Beauty

A penny for your thoughts...or a vote.

Content during the first day, then BAM I DISAPPEAR, still actively plays other games. Lurking noted.
We're also past page 8. Get yourself together.

Actively plays in other games = 1 post in each game. I'm in 6 other games, so already I'm stretched pretty thin, but the posts have been void of real substance.

I'm so annoyed that Shattered Viewpoint is the leading wagon.

Nothing's happened. Still bored with this thread.

SV's "aww shucks, he figured out I'm town, I'm so obvious!" in 250 doesn't impress.

Like I would ever try to impress anyone, especially

you.

I'm so annoyed that Shattered Viewpoint is the leading wagon.

How do you think

I

feel??

omg same. How is SV POSSIBLY the leading wagon? Lol

I seem to have fallen behind on this game, dammit. Anyways, I just want to ask Zombie pug a question: Do you use the random.org for all 3 games that you've played before?

1/3

Amrun hiding suspicious behavior.

What am I hiding?

Suspicious behavior.


#254: Isa clearly identifies Mist posting in other games. Mist used V/LA to lurk. Easily the worst lurking in the game.
A clever idea to avoid the lynch lurker crowd.

Vote: Mist Beauty

great scott. People post when they've V/LA. It goes to show that I care enough to give content in the games I'm in. This one was just not really much going on, meh. I never lurk in my games. Ever.

[Mist Beauty]

Tajun is the most obvious scum player this game.

[Mist Beauty]

Vote: Tajun

[mastin2]

Seriously.

WHAT IS TOWN IN NERO'S POSTS?!? >_<

Tajun is also living breathing scum.

Shattered Viewpoint (6, L-5): Furcolow, Alabaska J, Bogre, Tajun, Princess Kiwi, Lowell
Alabaska J (4, L-7): ConSpiracy, Nero Cain, Amrun, PeregrineV

Right. So you guys are lynching two obv-town players, letting scum get away with it?

Got it.

Furcolow and Tajun on SV. Nero on Alabaska.


Anyway. Caught up.

Nero Cain (1, L-10): Super Smash Bros. Fan

Zombeh-Pug (1, L-10): Haze

Mist Beauty (1, L-10): Isa

I am very sad neither of these wagons are larger. (Zombeh's a last-resort. SKs still shoot like vigs, when under reigns. )

[mastin2]

Nero Cain (2, L-9): Super Smash Bros. Fan, mastin2

Zombeh-Pug (1, L-10): Haze

Mist Beauty (1, L-10): Isa
Tajun (1, L-10): Mist Beauty
Furcolow (1, L-10): Pine.


NOW we're talkin'. Eeny meeny mini mo...

[Mist Beauty]

Spoiler: mastin's scumhunting device

No one knows what you're doing. It makes such little sense, and this is different from the other game where you replaced in as a townie. It seems like you're just squaring the coefficient of RVS votes and deriving the leading wagon formula while slashing and bolding and hotlinking things everywhere like a wizard and POOF I'm a scumread along with Tajun, your scumpartner.

I'm finding you pretty scummy for this, and would prefer if your awesome theories stay on the drawingboard, and something you believe to be conclusive is presented coherantly in this thread, or just in your personal QT for us to gaze at when the game is over.

MORE TAJUN VOTES PLEASE!

[Pine]

Actually, I know exactly what Mastin's doing, and I can certify it as sound.

You're just butthurt that we're 13 pages in, and he's already nailed you.

Crai moar.

[Isa]

I completely missed the V/LA notice by the mod, indeed.

UNVOTE: Mist Beauty My reason for voting wasn't legit, so no reason to keep my vote on.

Gut townread on mastin2, but I get townreads on everyone who has townreads on me...>_> I'm blind to buddying. Oh well. He's still a townread as of now.

V/LA Thurday to Sunday.

Noted. - ToD

[Mist Beauty]

Actually, I know exactly what Mastin's doing, and I can certify it as sound.

You're just butthurt that we're 13 pages in, and he's already nailed you.

Crai moar.

Not at all.

But now that you've made this claim, I'll stick it to you. Explain in your own words, why I am am scummy through mastin's "sound" posting.

[Mist Beauty]

I agree with his thoughts on Tajun without a doubt. But do you agree with those as well?

[Pine]

His methodology is sound. I have not gone over his cases in great detail yet. I am extremely familiar with Mastin, having played with him about ten times and even hydra'd with him. While Mastin is really, really bad at reading me, I'm quite good at reading him. I can tell you right away that he's Town, and as he's much better as Town than I am, I will be deferring to him until I get strong reads of my own.

Your individual assessment is pending, but the way you blindly attacked the validity of his methods without engaging the actual points against you does not bode well, and reinforces my faith in his scumread on you.

[Mist Beauty]

[url =http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... lect=12314] My last game with him when he replaced in[/url]

There he was pretty clear in his explanations, but here I'm just really confused. The way I like posts is some reasoning M is town because, X is scummy because, Y is scummy because, Z is scummy because, then vote. I agree with him that D1 interactions are very helpful, but I'm not really getting much from him, and his posting style is pretty different. But didn't you list me as a townread, Pine?

Last game his efforts were pretty far off, and confirmed townies ended up being scum, so this is the position that I'm coming from. No doubt mastin2 is awesome, but right now I'm seeing him being somewhat scummy. It honestly doesn't make much sense, and the only post I see as "scummy" is something I hastily typed up while working on my CMU app.

pedit: EXPLAIN what I've done that is scummy. There's nothing for me to defend. It's just. herp, this wagon needs moar votes.