Mini 1310: I Got My Eye On You Mafia (Game Over!)

[iStark]

I'm more confident in Lucky scum.

K'
Any idea's on his possible scum buddies?
I can't seem to figure out any tbh.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 1.9:

DeltaWave - IceGuy, iStark, Malthusis
Om of the Nom - ActionDan
IceGuy - vijay2vasandani
vijay2vasandani - Korlash, BBmolla
Amrun - Luckyjt
Korlash - Lopsy
Luckyjt - Om of the Nom, CSL, Amrun

Not Voting: DeltaWave

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch and to no-lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-04-05 15:06:38)

Searching for a DeltaWave replacement.

[Luckyjt]

That bolded post, I said I had suspicions on glass and kondi then they voted for me not the way you said it. This argument may only work on Vijay but Ive explained my reasoning to death as to why I believe he was scum.Also very contradictory in two of your posts. First you say Vijay is leaning scum, then you say "Also, fail fakehammer, vijay, but you're still town." And someone explained that if Vijay is scum and tried the fakehammer he was trying to get us to believe Kondi was town.Finally the reason I said I wanted to hear from you is because you replaced Kondi my highest suspect as scum.

You only suspected people that suspected you, and for poor or non-existent reasoning ... and didn't vote them! Then later, you tried to deflect suspicion because "you hadn't even voted them."

I did not say vijay was leaning scum

. Town members can make stupid moves -- and fakehammering in and of itself isn't fail, I just think that execution was poor.

And that doesn't make any fucking sense. Why would scum fakehammer to convince town that kondi is town? Scum don't want to convince town that townies are TOWN; they want to MISLYNCH town.

As for the last, yes, fair enough, and I realized that as I read along.


BBmolla, you can't just say someone was obvtown early day 1 and give no reasoning. Clearly, very few people, if any, agree with that assessment.

About the bold Nvm confused you with Omnom

IIRC I said kondi and glass seemed to be teaming because of the what Kondi had said in page 2-3. Then they voted for me. Im going to have to download those pages to be more accurate.

No a mafia can use a fakehammer on another mafia which would make the other mafia look town.

At all those who believe Im mafia, ive only seen Amrun making a case, others are just saying that they just feel something is off.

[Luckyjt]

So why do you think im mafia.

(forgot to write this on my last post.)

And one more thing, Kondi and Amrun have one thing in common, both wanted to lynch me. Ive had that slot as my highest scum read and both say Im scum.

Downloading the files now.

[BBmolla]

Guys.

Guys seriously.

Can we lynch Vijay?

[Om of the Nom]

@iStark: Nope, I don't have any idea yet. I'd prefer to wait for a scum flip first anyway.

@BBMolla: We can lynch v2v tomorrow.

[vijay2vasandani]

I'm more confident in Lucky scum.

K'
Any idea's on his possible scum buddies?
I can't seem to figure out any tbh.

I think you should wait to see the flip first before speculating.

Anyway I don't know what to add, except that I will vote for Lucky if we haven't lynched near deadline.

[Om of the Nom]

@v2v: Why is IceGuy scum?

[vijay2vasandani]

Well I'm suspicious of anybody who keeps pushing the Delta claim as being scum-oriented, but from memory it was IG who started it. His inability(not that harsh, but I can't think of any other word) to outline why Delta's split claim has any scum intent coupled together with the fact that he is adamant about DW-scum makes me read him as scum trying to push a mislynch on somebody who is the next best thing to conftown imo.

[Om of the Nom]

Cool, makes sense.

[Korlash]

Well I'm suspicious of anybody who keeps pushing the Delta claim as being scum-oriented, but from memory it was IG who started it. His inability(not that harsh, but I can't think of any other word) to outline why Delta's split claim has any scum intent coupled together with the fact that he is adamant about DW-scum makes me read him as scum trying to push a mislynch on somebody who is the next best thing to conftown imo.

Iceguy is closer to confirmed town then Delta is... To actually say this and not be joking is just further reason you should die today...

Why would scum lie just to mislynch a freaking miller? WHY? Not a good trade for him.

Anyway I don't know what to add, except that I will vote for Lucky if we haven't lynched near deadline.

So, in English, you don't want to actually look into Lucky and bother adding your own voice to the case against him so will hide behind the 'deadline vote' excuse... :\ *shakes head* I don't understand why your non-scum buddies aren't getting behind your lynch...

Guys.

Guys seriously.

Can we lynch Vijay?

;_; Can I buy you a coffee sometime good sir... You seem like an individual I can stand to talk to for more then twenty seconds...

[Amrun]

Iceguy is closer to confirmed town then Delta is... To actually say this and not be joking is just further reason you should die today...Why would scum lie just to mislynch a freaking miller? WHY? Not a good trade for him.

WHAT IS THIS

THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF SENSE

[Korlash]

WHAT IS THIS

THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF SENSE

... Hi, I'm Korlash. But let's get to the point.

Why would any scum say what Iceguy did in order to mislynch a MILLER on day one? Why?

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Waiting...


Right, doesn't make any effing sense. And when you factor in Delta's claim, Iceguy's 'claim' makes sense and matches up. Since they can both be town logically, Iceguy is more likely town due to timing. Unless something happens and Delta actually flips scum, Iceguy is town.

I will allow the chance you can explain to me why scum would do it... I still have things to learn when it comes to roles but I never thought a town miller was worth the sacrifice.

[Amrun]

Why would any scum say what Iceguy did in order to mislynch a MILLER on day one? Why?

That could be valid, but there are some of reason scum would do that. Assuming optimal play for all scum at all times is stupid. a) He was being viewed as confirmed town. b) IceGuy has been incredibly lazy, regardless of alignment. c) He may not have thought it through properly.

Either way, it doesn't make DeltaWave scum as you seem to suggest.

[Korlash]

That could be valid, but there are some of reason scum would do that. Assuming optimal play for all scum at all times is stupid. a) He was being viewed as confirmed town. b) IceGuy has been incredibly lazy, regardless of alignment. c) He may not have thought it through properly.

Either way, it doesn't make DeltaWave scum as you seem to suggest.

Where did I ever suggest he was scum? I said quite clearly it allowed for both of them to be town. The fact remains that I feel Iceguy is MORE town then Delta due entirely to timing, but that doesn't mean either have to be scum.

As far as your reasons go, none of them are particularly strong and hardly anything to base a scum read on, as V2V has. So back to my original point, V2V is scum. ^_^ Everything works out!

[Om of the Nom]

I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why Glass was scum.

[Amrun]

That could be valid, but there are some of reason scum would do that. Assuming optimal play for all scum at all times is stupid. a) He was being viewed as confirmed town. b) IceGuy has been incredibly lazy, regardless of alignment. c) He may not have thought it through properly.

Either way, it doesn't make DeltaWave scum as you seem to suggest.

Where did I ever suggest he was scum? I said quite clearly it allowed for both of them to be town. The fact remains that I feel Iceguy is MORE town then Delta due entirely to timing, but that doesn't mean either have to be scum.

As far as your reasons go, none of them are particularly strong and hardly anything to base a scum read on, as V2V has. So back to my original point, V2V is scum. ^_^ Everything works out!

I don't agree.

[Korlash]

I'm still waiting on an explanation as to why Glass was scum.

Nag nag nag...

I haven't had time to get back into the cache. I'll have a couple days off after tomorrow and should be able too get everything on my plate done with one read through. For now though, I feel Glass
'faked' his scum hunting as seen in these posts:

You are missing the actual scummy move made by rylai, otto. It isn't the fact that he miscounted, but the fact that he apparently didn't know what was going on and yet was willing to put kondi at L-1

God. Another scummy person. So you don't want to lynch someone who you think is lying about being miller because...
...
Need to look over malth+rylai again.

So first he feels Rylai did something scummy but then when Rylai does something else scummy he acts like it is all surprising and new. How can Rylai be a new scummy person that needs to be read, when he just did something scummy a few posts back that Glass already commented on?

Of course this isn't a case, just all I have in thread at the moment. Like I said, give me a day or two to get back into the cache.

I don't agree.

Luckily I'm capable of being right with or without your agreement, so no skin off my bones. ^_^ Someday though, you'll feel the need to bus V2V... Someday...

[Voidedmafia]

RainbowDash replaces DeltaWave effective immediately.

Also, IceGuy and Lopsy have been prodded.

[iStark]

I'm more confident in Lucky scum.

K'
Any idea's on his possible scum buddies?
I can't seem to figure out any tbh.

I think you should wait to see the flip first before speculating.

Anyway I don't know what to add, except that I will vote for Lucky if we haven't lynched near deadline.

k'

@RainbowDash, welcome to the game.
Looking forward to what you've to say and that's hopefully more contributing then Delta's bad gut's.

[Amrun]

So very happy to welcome you, RD.

[Om of the Nom]

Welcome RD.

[iStark]

So why do you think im mafia.

(forgot to write this on my last post.)

And one more thing, Kondi and Amrun have one thing in common, both wanted to lynch me. Ive had that slot as my highest scum read and both say Im scum.

Downloading the files now.

That has literally nothing to do with anything.

[Rainbowdash]

unvote

I can confirm that im a miller varient role. Its not called "miller" though will not say real role because it reveals what if any additional abilities I have, and like DW said it specifically investigates as mafia goon which is probably important. Was an offshoot miller last time and it was based off a specific hidden mechanic. Think he is stupid for claiming miller, but DW is a bit of a derp to start. One of those who is just useful enough to stop everypony from policy lynching him.

Speaking of policy lynches hi kondi and CSL.

Other important points

1) We are not all targeting the same player with our roles. That would be derpy as it allows for maximum scum manipulation
2) Tomorrow you hypo cop and gunsmith.
3) AD is town, and I think Glass is town, vijay just reads town also.
4) CSL and malthus are good scum picks. Ice isnt bad. All the wagons going on suck.

Vote CSL

Explain your hop to DW wagon. Case... tomorrow maybe? Will have to work around a meeting to get something up of substance.

[iStark]

unvote

I can confirm that im a miller varient role. Its not called "miller" though will not say real role because it reveals what if any additional abilities I have, and like DW said it specifically investigates as mafia goon which is probably important. Was an offshoot miller last time and it was based off a specific hidden mechanic. Think he is stupid for claiming miller, but DW is a bit of a derp to start. One of those who is just useful enough to stop everypony from policy lynching him.

Speaking of policy lynches hi kondi and CSL.

Other important points

1) We are not all targeting the same player with our roles. That would be derpy as it allows for maximum scum manipulation
2) Tomorrow you hypo cop and gunsmith.
3) AD is town, and I think Glass is town, vijay just reads town also.
4) CSL and malthus are good scum picks. Ice isnt bad. All the wagons going on suck.

Vote CSL

Explain your hop to DW wagon. Case... tomorrow maybe? Will have to work around a meeting to get something up of substance.

You get town points for this post.
Could you link me to the game you were ''offshoot Miller'' or w/e.
This is my first time I'm actually hearing this sorta of thing ( Miller or offshoot miller)and sorry but I'm not willing to change vote from you for just this one post which I agree with except your Ice read but I would like to hear more about your read on Malth.

What are you're thoughts about other players who you left out from that list?