Open 420: Medical Mafia - That's all, folks!

[FuDuzn]

You only wish you could have a phone as ballin as mine.
VOTE: Zachrulez
He has been scum in 100% of the games I have played with him.

[FuDuzn]

My participation has been minimal here, I will step it up today when I get a chance. Thankfully there is not too much for me to read.

[FuDuzn]

Eh, my vote will stay on Zach for now. It appears that he is attempting to stear conversation in the directions he wants it to go, could be the beginnings of manipulation. I know it isn't much to go on as of now, but just something that sticks out a bit at me in the midst of the robo/rach wagon discussion.

[FuDuzn]

Zach, I stated my suspicion of you is somewhat vague and minor already. But as I also said it is what stood out the most with the Robo/Rach thing. You are accusing Jackal of extending RVS but I believe you are doing the same thing, since this robo/rach thing seems to be an argument based in RVS voting and just reads like a he said she said pointless argument.

[FuDuzn]

No one looks even remotely suspicious to you Jackal? Nothing that would cause you to at least place a tentative on someone?

Serious question, have you read this thread?

[FuDuzn]

*tentative vote

[FuDuzn]

Because I know you have been following the thread, but I don't believe Jackal has been.

And when Jackal says no one looks suspicious, it seems fake.......since how would know if people look fake if he hasn't been following the game?

[FuDuzn]

Because I know you have been following the thread, but I don't believe Jackal has been.

And when Jackal says no one looks suspicious, it seems fake.......since how would know if people look fake if he hasn't been following the game?

*the last fake I meant suspicious.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jackal

This is the best wagon that can happen now.

[FuDuzn]

Jackal, I didn't ask about other games you are playing or modding......I asked about this game. It doesn't appear you have been following this game.

And really, I am the suspicious one here? Right, definitely not a case of OMGUS........

[FuDuzn]

I still would like to hear from Jackyl as well, I know he is one who doesn't like a slow game so my hope is he pops in soon with an answer.

Zach my read now is more town on you, but with the relative lack of activity here I am still weary of everybody. I am generally wishy washy on Day 1 with my reads and slow games don't help.

[FuDuzn]

Not so much for defending me, just in general since I originally had decided to keep my vote on him because I thought he may have been trying to manipulate.

[FuDuzn]

Ya but if that is just his 'style', as you put it, wouldn't it just be a null tell?

But I do agree it is annoying.

[FuDuzn]

Ah my apologies, kept forgetting to post in here.

I still think that Jackyll is the way to go here, but I really don't like this Time Traveling Scumhunter guy(or gal). It is one thing to prod one person for reactons and such, but you are almost exclusively focused on Zach. I am still on the fence about Zach, but I am not sure wat TTS' intent is here.

[FuDuzn]

I don't really know, like you said tunneling in itself isn't really a scum tell. This is why I am trying to gather what his real intent is in tunneling Zach.

I am afraid it is an interesting dynamic that we will probably just have to come back to at some point once we have some more info.

[FuDuzn]

This is kind of weird that the person who is now at L-1 is the person who will be v/la for awhile. Though, I imagine Rach will claim Doc no matter her role is.

That is unless some people want to join me on the jackyll wagon?

[FuDuzn]

So if you are not a doc and not scum.......then you actually did just claim since there is only one role you could be. Or is this role you claim not to be faking.

[FuDuzn]

Can someone tell if it is in Jackyll's meta to just randomly throw around his vote with no rhyme or reason?

[FuDuzn]

It seems to be a site wide thing to be inactive, is it always slow during the summer here?

[FuDuzn]

Robo, that was more of a sitewide question, not specifically about this game.

Also, the consensus seems to be that this is just Jackyll being Jackyll. I still don't know what I want to do with my vote though, I was thinking that Rach was fake claiming but without a counter it is tough to prove that. And TTS and his Zach tunneling was interesting, but not sure it is from a scum motivation.

[FuDuzn]

Wait Jackyll self voted? And why can't we hammer him? How is doing that even remotely beneficial to town?

[FuDuzn]

UNVOTE:

Hmm, I guess Jackyll doing what he did would be pretty dumb to do as scum in a setup like this. I really seriously need to give this game a good once over.

[FuDuzn]

Morton, Jackyll is dumb either way. But I think it would be insanely dumb for Jackyll-scum to do that.

And yes, on Day 1 I generally am very wishy washy and non-committal. I tend to tighten up as the game goes on.

[FuDuzn]

Well as dumb of a play as it was, it probably was from a town perspective. I say this because as I said, would be insane for scum to do this. So I guess it is not so much that I think he is helping town, just that I can't see him as scum.

[FuDuzn]

Well, a little over one day till deadline. I no longer want to lynch Jackyll and the only other reall option is TTS.

So I am stating my intent to drop the hammer.

[FuDuzn]

I was honestly finding you scummy up until your claim, Rach. And I thought I had Jackyll pegged from the beginning but I think I 'logiced' myself out of that.

As for TTS, the way he just went right after Zach and virtually ignored everyone else did raise some red flags. I really don't have a strong read on anyone right now, or at least a strong scum read. But with just over a day to go it is best to settlt on a lynch now then trying to scramble tomorrow.

[FuDuzn]

Zach let's make it easy. Pretty clear that TTS will claim Doc, and I know it is against the norm, but right now it is about 12:43 local time. I go to play volleyball at 6, but if TTS hasn't posted I will hammer no later then 5:30.

Good/bad?

[FuDuzn]

I can live with that Zach.

And Venmar, what is wrong with volleyball?

[FuDuzn]

Technically it is grass volleyball, outdoors in a park.

[FuDuzn]

Zach, ya it is upper 90s and very humid today. I may actually need real life doc protection to survive lol.

[FuDuzn]

I kind of have a feeling Jackyll wasn't a mafia kill, I just don't see him being a scum target and I could really see one of the docs who targeted him killed him(there are a couple that can kill correct?).

And just reading Venmars post here, I don't like it. For whatever reason it just seems fake.
VOTE: Venmar

[FuDuzn]

Also Yellowbounder just mentioned it, but would it be bad to say each of our night actions? To me it could really help trying to figure out who's who here(ie who's scum).

[FuDuzn]

I agree with that as well Morton, but I think the benefits could be two fold. Also......

I targeted Morton

I did as well. That makes things a bit interesting. Problem is that there is many ways to take that he is still alive. And ways that could make either Venmar or I lying scum or, and nothing really clears Morton from being scum.

For instance, Venmar could be scum and I am the regular Doc(or paranoid Doc)and saved Morton. But right now not enough is known to be able to tell.

And Morton, why do you want to claim last?

[FuDuzn]

Well, I ask because it would seem to benefit scum more then anyone to want to claim last. Plus, I didn't ask you to claim now I only asked why you didn't want to claim now.

[FuDuzn]

I was the second to claim my target. Does that make me scummy or townie FuDuzn?

It makes you scummy asking that question, trying to discredit my questioning of Mortons claim request.

[FuDuzn]

Ok then, since I was the most recent to divulge my actions. Yellowbounder why don't you go next.

[FuDuzn]

I will say I never heard about pocorning before this and I had no idea you were supposed to choose who you thought were suspicious, that being said I chose yellobounder since it was between him and Morton who I was going to target last Night.

I will say I hate how stubborn Morton is getting here, don't be obtuse just for the sake of being obtuse.

[FuDuzn]

Robo makes a good point, we should still focus on good ol'fashoined scumhunting and not spend the whole day trying to figure out exactly who did what. In fact he brought up another good point, scum could very easily be using this set up against us and could very well be pushing this talk about who did what as a sort of smokescreen(Venmar and Zach I am looking in your direction).

[FuDuzn]

So no real reason that myself(and yellow for that matter) are scum besides PoE? And Venmar really is a town read for you?

Ok then.

[FuDuzn]

Convenient.

[FuDuzn]

Now, with TTS and Jackal both ending up dead, I am starting to rethink some of my reads. Both of them were the strongest scum reads and wagons on Day 1, both flipped town. There was also a partial wagon on Rachmarie, who turns out to be the nurse. Now obviously a doctor. I suspect that some of the people pushing these wagons could be scum because not a single town has been put under a wagon yet.

I am going to look over the wagons and try to spot any scum manipulation if possible.

Well my first instinct reading this post was that it screamed fake. And hey, how is that looking over the Day 1 wagons going? Forget about that already?

And please explain the last sentence in the first paragraph please, reading it over again it almost seems like a slip.

[FuDuzn]

So how exactly would you know who is town and who is scum?

[FuDuzn]

So how exactly would you know who is town and who is scum?

Wait, read that again. I get what you mean now.

[FuDuzn]

UNVOTE:

Venmar, that was a wonderful post. And there is a bit of mea culpa on my part since I did misread your post that was the crux of my reasoning to vote you right off the bat. I do need to take a step, but your zach read is intriguing to me.

[FuDuzn]

I am posting as a prod to the whole game.

To add some content, kind of, for some reason I really want to vote Zach.

[FuDuzn]

Ven, I haven't had a whole lot of motivation for MS lately, and the slow pace of this game isn't helping.

But, I will say that between you/Zach/Morton there is at least one scum. I would like to lynch between these three, my gut is saying Zach but my brain is saying Mort.

[FuDuzn]

VOTE: Morton

Might as well just go ahead and vote.

[FuDuzn]

What the fuck are you talking about, Robo?

[FuDuzn]

Ven, I haven't had a whole lot of motivation for MS lately, and the slow pace of this game isn't helping.

But, I will say that between you/Zach/Morton there is at least one scum. I would like to lynch between these three, my gut is saying Zach but my brain is saying Mort.

You are right Robo, never mentioned Mort before I voted him. Never questioned him about wanting to be the last one to claim his Night action as well. Nope, definitely did not do that.

So I ask again, what the fuck?

[FuDuzn]

Actually read over 422 Robo, I see at least what the fuck you are on about. But because my ISO had nothing aboutf Mort I can't want him dead now? Plus I love the caveat, 'outside of Fuduzn talking about him hear, he never mentione him!'.

So I guess I my 'what the fuck?' still stands.

[FuDuzn]

Actually that wouldn't be proper english, so you would be wrong again.

[FuDuzn]

Again not proper english, there is only one Mort in this game.....not multiple 'Morts'.

But I digress, you mean why am I voting the person who refused to claim what his Night action was until everyone else claimed? Even after being questioned on it repeatedly?

And the person who tried claiming a vig role?

Ya, why in the world would I vote that guy?

[FuDuzn]

I never mentioned that I thoughtf you were defending him.

I mentioned why I am voting him, you can continue to ignore it if you would like.

Provoke you? You don't have much of a sense of humor do you?

[FuDuzn]

Please read 434 and tell me that isn't scum.

There is an appeal to wifom so hardcore, and an attemt at seperation from Robo.

And of course Robo is trying to push me away from Morton. If Mort is scum then Robo is pretty clearly his partner.

[FuDuzn]

- "Protecting" Yellowbounder during the night, but wanting to lynch him the next day.

It's scummy for Zach to push a lynch on their night protect target but Fud gets a free pass in your book. Noted.

It is funny, I noticed that as well and wondered why he didn't mention me as well. And for the record, I targeted you Mort for essentially the same reason Zach says he targeted Yellowbounder.

[FuDuzn]

For the love of.....

Why do I have to make giant walls to make a case? Mort is scum in his actions and posts today, they are there, now go look at them. You don't agree with me, fair enough, but the attack on me I am not getting. And here is a fourth sentence. And now here is a fifth sentence.

Now there is five senteces(six if you count this one, and seven actually if you want to get technical). Oh shit and eigth sentence, I am going crazy now!

[FuDuzn]

And who is coasting? What have you done these last couple pages outside of ignoring everything else and wanting to find ways to attack me?

[FuDuzn]

Robo, you obviously seen my posts and what my questions are referring to. The issue I have had was pretty everything Mort has done and said today, I can't sum it up in one post because it has been the whole day. If you want to ignore my suspicions of him then fine, other people have been able to comment on it one way or another, but I guess that is too difficult a thing for you to do.

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Ven, I have been waffling on Zach all game. Everytime I want to put a solid vote on him something in my brain says not to. If push comes to shove though I will switch to Zach.

And Robo, didn't I say it has been all of his actions and posts today and not just his refusal to reveal his night action?

[FuDuzn]

Actually you know what ven? First instinct is usually the correct instinct(I hate voting off of gut though).
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zach

[FuDuzn]

Newbie 1194 you are referencing Zach, and yes I had you pegged as town the whole game(and I wish that game wasn't lost, it would offer some good meta). But while I am using my memory of that game to try to get a good read on you, and am not overcompensating or anything, that seems like a weird thing to say.

But I will give yellowbounder a good once over, I guess it is the least I can do.

[FuDuzn]

My gut read on Zach is based off of the game that we played in together where he was scum, and he seems to be playing similar to that. Also in that game he had me as a solid town read even though I know my game can appear scummy at times, and he is doing the same thing. And the fact that he says he plays wildly different when town makes me wonder even more.

And Mort you are probably correct in that my 'case' on you was probably more about I hated your style of play and that it was clearly anti-town, but that doesn't always equal scum. But, not sure why you don't think I made a case. Your posts seemed so blatant that I felt that it would be obvious to everyone why I thought you were scummy. Funny how the biggest reaction I got from this was out of Robo and not you though. Probably was a bit too stubborn, but as someone else mentioned, you have to be able to see how what you did was iffy at best.

[FuDuzn]

Hey Robo there are other players in this game besides me ya know.

And why is meta bullshit? I normally don't like using it as a primary tool, but it is what is sticking out to me about Zach. And when Zach even mentions that he plays wildly different when is town vs when he is scum and I notice that he appears to be very similar to a game where he was scum, how is that bullshit?

And I made references to specific posts that both Mort made and I made regarding Mort, if you think I am scum because you don't like the way I make a case then you probably should sub out and blacklist me because welcome to my playstyle.

[FuDuzn]

Is it worthless when the meta being used has already been brought up by the person? And is it worthless when his own meta contradicts what he just said? Is there someone I could vote for that you wouldn't blindly defend?(I am only half joking with the last question)

Pedit: Zach, your read on me is part of it. But it is just your general play in each game, kind of right in the middle of being passive and aggressive. It might not mean too much, but even you said you play a lot differen as town and as scum, and I just don't see much of a difference. It isn't the greatest case in the world, but it just seems a bit odd. And this is why I have been waffling in regards to you, not sure if I should stick to my gut.

[FuDuzn]

And I even remember saying that I try to be hard to read, and when someone has me pegged at obv town early in a game(like you did in that game and in this game), it makes me wonder.

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My thought process was that I read your posts and viewed your actions, seriously I have repeated myself a million times here. I did not like how you refused to claim until everone else did and got snotty when questioned about it, to me this seemed to come from a scum perspective. When I brought this up a few other players commented on it(funny how some poeple were able to get what I was saying, isn't it?) and essentially said this is mort being mort. Then Robo decided that he wanted to forget that anybody else was playing this game and then I had to defend myself. I now feel after you reactions and others reactions(besides Robos) that you are town. Hence why I am voting Zach now.

I had mentioned most of what I just said already in previous posts, my bad I didn't just put it into one giant wall of text

[FuDuzn]

The only real thing that jumped out at me about the timing of the claims was Morts insistance that he goes last.

[FuDuzn]

I am really glad Robo was scum, at least it explains his incredible murderboner for me and not listening to reason.

And I guess Zach is only scum in 50% of the games I have played with him now.