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The Ruby Ford is a crossing of the Green Fork of the Trident in the Riverlands. It is so named for the rubies that were knocked from Prince Rhaegar Targaryen's breastplate during the Battle of the Trident.A large, three-story inn with pale stone walls lies near the ford. There is no crossing of the Green Fork north of it until the Twins.
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Just a few things at the top of my head while I have some time:
- I'm going to believe Snow's claim. I've noticed there hasn't really been a lot of opposition to Snow's wagon, at least notstrongopposition. Even if this game is multiball and Snow would have few teammates, I at least would except a decent counter-wagon or argument at the very least. Instead, Snow's wagon seems to have grown as a counter-wagon of its own. I don't think Snow's mason buddy should claim, at least not now. No point right now, unless the other is being ran up.
- I'm a bit skeptical of the "support" I got when a few votes got on me. Maybe it's because in many games I've had scum buddy up to me in many games and throw a town read at me (maybe it's because I'm one of those ones who'll defend a town read to hell and back) but it seemed odd, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of those individuals is scum.
- I need to re-read the last 9 pages more in-depth before I put a vote back down.
Benmage: When did Jal Shinori and Kortul's become the 3 people to vote between?-
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Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.Sarcasm isnota scumtell.-
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In post 1053, DCLXVI wrote:
Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.
Where is your point in this statement?
How come you refuse to be able to give a reason for your voting Jal?? THIS IS ME ASKING FOR THE THIRD TIME FOR REASONING."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 1053, DCLXVI wrote:Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.
Don't try to make sense of Benmage, it's futile."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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In post 1055, Shadow1psc wrote:In post 1053, DCLXVI wrote:Oh please, and you were just going after me for being on a "useless" wagon.
Don't try to make sense of Benmage, it's futile.
Are u guys fucking retarded.
Prior to Snows mason claim he was the only viable wagon. Hence DC's vote was useless... on a nonplausible wagon.
DO YOU NOT FOLLOW CHANGE OF EVENTS.... since Snow is a mason... other previously non viable wagons are now viable...
w.t.f subjective reading ftl."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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There's scum hiding against my magical townreads and this is pissing me off--I literally have townreads on 8/10+ of that SnowStorm wagon, but I also have trouble believing that scum would stay off such a juicy wagon for so long. In addition, if this is multiball, my "is scumhunting y/n" reads get shot to hell and back. Regardless, I am not about to start a wagon on afrigging townreadat this stage in the Day. Honestly I'm not even sure how I'd start to go about de-confirmation-biasing myself with this set. I'm ready for a Night and seeing what happens then.
I also haven't slept in about 24h, so MS is going into the backburner until I take care of myself--food and sleep are priorities. Lynching scum is a veeery distant third at present.Going on vacation this summer? Choose Sand! Choose beautiful women! Choose questionable rebellion! Choose Areo Hotah's boring POVs! Choose Darkstar! Choose Alleras the Sphynx! Choose Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood. (That will fail.)-
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...also, wtf typo.
"There's scum hidingmy magical townreadsin[...]"Going on vacation this summer? Choose Sand! Choose beautiful women! Choose questionable rebellion! Choose Areo Hotah's boring POVs! Choose Darkstar! Choose Alleras the Sphynx! Choose Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood. (That will fail.)-
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(Making this two posts for readability.)
I actually did have RL things keeping me away from the game on Tuesday and Wednesday, for the record. I let CES know, but I thought it would be silly to announce it in the thread when my slot would still be posting actively.
Currently having(was having when I started writing this post hours ago) an AIM board meeting, because we disagree on a few of our scum reads. I agree with those who find it much easier to clear wide swathes of people than pick out scum this game (and feel like I'm overlookingsomeone). I looked at the player list and realized there were only twelve people I didn't think looked particularly town. Only significant update: I'm now pretty confident that Dolorous Edd is town. (SnowStorm too, but given his claim, I don't get points for that.) I buy mockingjaye's explanation of her approach to the game, and am leaning town on her even if I disagree with the kinds of things she finds scummy.
That said, people keep saying, "Salamence20 is a bad wagon, because Salamence is a VI and therefore an easy lynch." I (Mina) have personally never played with Salamence (although I'll look at KH myself today). But some weaker players are very readable. Sell me on him being town. (Actually, sell CES on him being town, because he's a lot more stubborn when it comes to moving our vote. <_<) Meta defence along the lines of "he played similarly to this in X game" is fine, just not "his meta is to be a VI." (I don't agree with Tyene that his copy-and-pasted suspect list is a towntell, but I'll admit I have a couple of doubts: mostly on the "MoI would vig me if he was Chosen" being so bad it'sgood, my liking the players on bvoigt's wagon a lot more than his, and my impression of Sal's OTT post being closer to Benmage's than to...um...Minimum's.)-
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Benmage:
Overall, I've liked his stream-of-consciousness catch-up posts, and feel like all the indecision, wagon-hopping, and "FMLs" are real--I'm more confident that this is town!Benmage than I did, say, in AFFC. That said...um...I feel like I'm missing something. Is the reason you went from calling us scum to town literally this? That CES is being too lazy to be scum, or that CES called Reck uncool?
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All right. Since I've realized that Edd has become kind of obviously town, you can officially no longer get away with saying, "Yeah, Minimum and Edd are caught scum on page 2. Let's lynch them. *sits on hands for the next thirty pages*"
I understand why you didn't explain your reasons at the time, but now I'd like to know--what gave you your initial scum read on Edd and Minimum? Your vote and Choose haven't changed all game. Why have you neither reconsidered either of these reads nor followed up on them in any way (either by questioning them or by hounding more people onto their wagons)?
Is Shadow your top scum read right now? What are your reasons for having neither voted nor chosen him at any point?
Also, this bugs me (partly gut, partly because I dislike most "Oh, I'll compromise with the majority" posts):
Looking at the vote/Choose counts, the main places to look now are SnowStorm, Salamence, Feysal, greenknight, correct?
Do you believe that the point at which you made this post that no options but those four were viable? Why didn't you suggest another option in this post, or seem remotely perturbed that Minimum, Dolorous Edd, and Shadow weren't among these four?
I'd be interested in hearing your reads on the four players you've mentioned. Really, a glimpse of where you stand (such as an overall reads list) would be good, too.
Regfan:
Spoiler: Because this is too long, and of little interest to someone who isn't Regfan.
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Minimum wrote:Also, this bugs me (partly gut, partly because I dislike most "Oh, I'll compromise with the majority" posts):
Looking at the vote/Choose counts, the main places to look now are SnowStorm, Salamence, Feysal, greenknight, correct?
Do you believe that the point at which you made this post that no options but those four were viable? Why didn't you suggest another option in this post, or seem remotely perturbed that Minimum, Dolorous Edd, and Shadow weren't among these four?
That was not a "who should I vote for?", but "who should I read up on?". It was not an "I'm going to sheep one of the big wagons", it was "what are the big wagons I should look at to determine my thoughts on?", which is why it was worded the way it was.
To answer the rest of your questions:
MOD: Please replace me. I do not have the time to give this game what it deserves and I'm not happy with my play/contributions.
Kill shadow soon. kthnxbye.jdodge1019: hasjghsalghsakljghs is from vermont
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In post 1064, Minimum wrote: Is the reason you went from calling us scum to town literally this? That CES is being too lazy to be scum, or that CES called Reck uncool?
That reck is a douche who would say I'm being to lazy to be scum while being scum... and CES isn't a douche. But yes."ITT Benmage is making Shakespeare look cool. I need to bring you to my high school." -Vi
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In post 1068, Minimum wrote:Cow, I don't suppose you could explain your vote and choose...beforereplacing out, could you? It doesn't require any extra work or reading from you, just "here is why I found this scummy on page two."
Shadow, how were those posts of mine any more town than any other posts I've made this game?
Did I say they weren't?"I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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Hint: I said this way long ago.
In post 324, Shadow1psc wrote:We're not lynching Hydrina or choosing them today."I value knowledge, logic, and deceit. I love to pursue wisdom but also to manipulate and deceive. At my best, I am brilliant and progressive. At my worst, I am treacherous and cold."-
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(That said, I'm sorry if my post was what tipped you over into replacing out. I just wanted to see more of your thought process.)
Shadow...are you saying you said we shouldn't lynch Minimum because you had a strong town read on me at that point of the game?
What exactly makes you so confident that I'm town?-
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Ok, finished my ISO onbvoigt. He is definitely not my town read, but i am not convinced that he is scum. I agree with some of his thoughts, disagree with some.
Also, i don't agree with his scumreads on MoI and Feysal, especially after hisSpoiler: Things i don't likeIn post 957, bvoigt wrote:3. Yes, Sala is the only case I've really pushed in this game, because he's by far my strongest scumread, and MoI and Feysal haven't really done enough scummy things that I could make a full case on them.
Still, disagreement in reads isn't a scum tell, so now i have a dilemma. I view Salamance20 as more scummy than bvoigt, but i don't like the company on his wagon (only Minimum is ok and Amrun null). Most of those who i believe are town are either on bvoigt or somewhere else.
Can those who vote bvoigt explain,why he is more scummy than Salamance20 (or why Salamance20 is town for you, if that's the case)? If this is meta based, are there clear examples of bvoigt!scum or Salamance!town that you can link to?-
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Finished ISO onFeysalas well, to be sure whether i agree with bvoigt opinion on him. He remained my weak town read. While reading i was agreeing with many of his thoughts and some reads, liked his post 47, most of content in post 448. There were no scum or strong town tells for me, but his playing style is similar to mine, his reads are naturally developing as the game progresses. I don't see why he gathered so many CHOOSE votes.
I am definitely not Choosing him, so will continue with ISO on greenknight and Shadow1psc.
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