Micro 102: Mainstream Mini-Mafia [END, CULT WIN]

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

Is this a serious post?

Yes it did. I wanted to know whether or not you really wanted to flip Siv now haphazardly. And that is an opinion.

[Majiffy]

There's nothing opinion about that. There are two truth claims one could make about that, one is valid and the other is invalid. An opinion cannot be quantified with truth claims.

[Majiffy]

Much in the way of "I like the color red" has nothing to do with whether or not red is a good color. Or if red actually exists as a color. Or if colors exist.

[Majiffy]

So now we're back to the real reason you're voting me, which is that you perceive something being for the sake of being is somehow inherently scummy, despite all signs pointing to it being completely alignment independent.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And now you're just mangling definitions. I want to know whether or not you want to flip Siv. This is equivalent to you saying whether or not you think Siv is a good lynch for the day.

In no way is this going to help town, and your grasping at straws to avoid answering a very simple question is very suspect.

[Majiffy]

Whether or not I want to flip him and whether or not I think he's a good lynch are two independent thoughts. So why don't you ask me which one you really mean?

And the grasping at straws comment is hilarious.

[Majiffy]

Oh and by the way, I'd still like an answer to

my

questions that

you're

now deliberately avoiding.

[Voidedmafia]

Mollie, P-Rat could be bussing scumSiv for some amount of towncred?

That seems a little bit far fetched. We don't even know sivs alignment yet, to be guessing that rat's bussing him just seems wierd at this point in the game..

Mollie was saying that there was no scum motivation there. I was simply pointing out that there is, even if it's not the best kind of motivation at that point in time.

VOTE: Majiffy

I guess I can get the irritation behind the vote, but I guess I don't really like it.

Ah but the question had nothing to do with opinions.

...actually a fair point, given what this argument is all referring to.

This argument feels a lot like orcinus is unnecessarily making a mountain out of a molehill. Was Majiffy's response to the original question annoying? Yes. Should he actually try to come up with a well-thought-out response outlining why he wants to just hang Siv anyways (even if it's already been stated)? Probably. Is the ruckus orcinus causing because of this really worth it? IMO not really.

Vote: Orcinus

[Majiffy]

I think you might have messed up your quote tags a bit there buddy.

Hope this helps.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Mollie, P-Rat could be bussing scumSiv for some amount of towncred?

That seems a little bit far fetched. We don't even know sivs alignment yet, to be guessing that rat's bussing him just seems wierd at this point in the game..

Mollie was saying that there was no scum motivation there. I was simply pointing out that there is, even if it's not the best kind of motivation at that point in time.

VOTE: Majiffy

I guess I can get the irritation behind the vote, but I guess I don't really like it.

Ah but the question had nothing to do with opinions.

...actually a fair point, given what this argument is all referring to.

This argument feels a lot like orcinus is unnecessarily making a mountain out of a molehill. Was Majiffy's response to the original question annoying? Yes. Should he actually try to come up with a well-thought-out response outlining why he wants to just hang Siv anyways (even if it's already been stated)? Probably. Is the ruckus orcinus causing because of this really worth it? IMO not really.

Vote: Orcinus

What exactly are you voting me for again? I mean, since you've said that Majiffy was being annoying with his refusal to answer question, you think that my persistance in following up is...scummy somehow?

That's terrible.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Oh and by the way, I'd still like an answer to

my

questions that

you're

now deliberately avoiding.

? What questions?

[Majiffy]

What exactly are you voting me for again? I mean, since you've said that Majiffy was being annoying with his refusal to answer question, you think that my persistance in following up is...scummy somehow?

That's terrible.

Don't mind him, he's just my scumbuddy trying to bail me out of the horrible suspicion you've cast on me.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What is going on here and why are you allowed to play like this this isn't fair

[Majiffy]

Questions I've asked and you've basically avoided;

Would you like it to be?

In reference to you asking if my statement about flipping Siv was serious.

So if I'm being anti-town for the purpose of being anti-town, how is that indicative of my alignment?

Which you answered in regards to "lol opinion" but we've already established that this was an invalid response.

Whether or not I want to flip him and whether or not I think he's a good lynch are two independent thoughts. So why don't you ask me which one you really mean?

And this one.

[Majiffy]

What is going on here and why are you allowed to play like this this isn't fair

Play like what, and why isn't it fair?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

33 is irrelevant and I refuse to answer it until you've given me your answer.

Uh, no. You talked yourself into saying that "lol siv is good lynch" is not an opinion. You didn't fool anyone but yourself. So lol opinion is still my answer, thanks.

I missed 55. I don't see how they're independent thoughts. If you think someone is a good lynch, you flip him. What am I missing here?

PPE: Play like an annoying bastard and refuse to answer questions and then receive a chainsaw defense from voidedmafia.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

And besides where the hell do you get off asking me questions and expecting me to answer and being a dick about it yourself?

and look

I

can randomly

bold

words too.

[Majiffy]

If it's irrelevant then why bother giving me an answer to begin with? Also, I'd argue that it's very relevant.
Voided seems to agree with me in regards to the lol opinion bit.
Wanting a flip -> Wanting to know their alignment. Thinking they're a good lynch -> Thinking they're scum. We

are

here to lynch scum, after all. Or maybe you're not, which is why you're not getting it.

Seems like you're the only one who has a problem with it Orci. Maybe the problem lies with you.

[Majiffy]

I

can randomly

bold

words too.

Yeah well your momma is fat.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Irrelevant to your answer.
Putting words in the mouth of others, are we?

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

Sorry buddy, you can't construe that as anything other than flip=lynch in this sentence. Nice try though?

I am now very confident with my vote.

[Majiffy]

Irrelevant to your answer.
Putting words in the mouth of others, are we?

I'm just responding to what you said, as you said it. But it's interesting that you bring this up, just as soon as you say this;

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

Sorry buddy, you can't construe that as anything other than flip=lynch in this sentence. Nice try though?

What we were talking about was the difference between "do I want a flip on x" or "do I think x makes a good lynch?" To which the distinction I've outlined still holds. I never tried to construe anything, you're the one mincing words. We can flip Siv without a flip on Siv necessarily being a good lynch.

But by all means, continue to attack the person instead of the argument. I'm sure it will reflect excellently upon you when the rest of the playerlist eventually shows up.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Irrelevant to your answer.
Putting words in the mouth of others, are we?

I'm just responding to what you said, as you said it. But it's interesting that you bring this up, just as soon as you say this;

Well lets go ahead and flip Siv then and see.

Sorry buddy, you can't construe that as anything other than flip=lynch in this sentence. Nice try though?

What we were talking about was the difference between "do I want a flip on x" or "do I think x makes a good lynch?" To which the distinction I've outlined still holds. I never tried to construe anything, you're the one mincing words. We can flip Siv without a flip on Siv necessarily being a good lynch.

But by all means, continue to attack the person instead of the argument. I'm sure it will reflect excellently upon you when the rest of the playerlist eventually shows up.

How are we supposed to flip Siv without a lynch? Oh right, you guys have a nightkill. Forgot about that.
So remind me, why did you feel the need to dodge a simple question about your vote again?

[Majiffy]

Again you're missing the point. A 'good' lynch is one that is a scum lynch. You can have plenty of lynches that aren't good ones.

Also I think you'll note that the question wasn't about my vote as I didn't actually lay one down.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Again you're missing the point. A 'good' lynch is one that is a scum lynch. You can have plenty of lynches that aren't good ones.

Also I think you'll note that the question wasn't about my vote as I didn't actually lay one down.

I have no fucking clue what you're going on about here. You said that you wanted to 'flip' Siv. Hence, you said that you wanted to lynch Siv, since we have no way of finding Siv's alignment by means other than a lynch. So will you tell me if that was a serious call or not?

[Majiffy]

Well seeing as how answering that question will influence your answer to mine, I'd still like to know if you want it to be.