Mini 1413 - The Mind Reader Mafia - Game Over

[Loranthaceae]

For a meta argument it's a damn good one, for sure. Also I've read through T-Bone's in Micro 27 on the fly and he wasn't acting like this there (town cop). But, do you remember Greywing in our last game together last summer? I had a good meta argument on him similar to this one and he turned out to be town.

[T-Bone]

Oh no, caught red-handed. 9.9

(how did that look Adam?)

Meta arguments are bad and you should feel bad.

[Loranthaceae]

Maybe but the fact that it doesn't bother you that my argument was false makes you a little too cool for my liking. You're too cool,

too cool.

.. cool

[T-Bone]

Because I'm honestly not paying any attention to what you're doing. You lost that privilege with the mass of puke you called posting a few pages ago. You are very much anti-town in this game and if I was interested in policy lynching, my vote would still be on you. I don't think you're scum, but you're certainly not doing anything that is pro-town right now.

[Malakittens]

If you think my case on him is pure meta - you are super mistaken.

[Loranthaceae]

I don't think you're scum

<3

Would you mind explaining to the people on my bandwagon how you've reached that conclusion?

[Loranthaceae]

Besides that I honestly don't see any usefulness in you.

[T-Bone]

If that's the only important thing you got out of my last post I'll put my vote right back on.

[Malakittens]

Also if you think my whole post was on Adam then you are also mistaken.

[Loranthaceae]

For reactions - I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive over Penguin.

I recall some reactions saying that it isn't alignment indicative
And yeah, no, I saw that you responded to my question about Jal but I wasn't really serious about it tbh, don't think too much of it.

[Loranthaceae]

For reactions - I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive over Penguin.

I recall some reactions saying that it isn't alignment indicative

In fact if Penguin is scum that makes me think: penguin, Ls, Mehdi scum constellation upon re-reading page 2-4. It was Ls who said

PA's "lie," with the whole PM confirmation thing is odd, but I don't see a reason for scum to lie about it.

And Mehdi said the thing with the unintentional lie, remember? Maybe it was that simple, Mala. We had them right then and there.

[CityElectric]

City I don't get his argument that you mis-quoted Mala. Could you please elaborate on that?

I have no idea. Honestly.

CityElectric:

Going to reply to your post 92.

What do you mean by the bolded part?

When I said I'm dropping it because no one else is biting (besides Lora) ...

It was originally a reaction test. Wanted to see who would confirm what I had saw and wanted to get a reaction out of Penguin. All of which happened though Lora's reply was different than mine is since he wasn't aware of what I was actually referring too.

I dropped it because I feel that this conversation wasn't going to be good for the town. It was an unnecessary conversation in the long run and that it could go on forever. I was trying to move pass this and look elsewhere.

For reactions - I wanted to see if anyone would get defensive over Penguin. I also wanted to see how far someone was going to take this and see if they were going to twist it into a case in the long run. I still didn't find Penguin's lie vote-worthy, but wanted to see her reaction to me questioning it.

Also, if you're going to place a vote on someone. Being vague about it isn't helpful. If possible can you explain what you don't like about Lora's play that makes it vote-worthy.

I did find it odd how you replied to Jul's question about RVS vote (here), but you totally ignored Adam's vote on you for the same reason that is located (here).

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. I didn't respond to Adam's vote, as that was still in the middle of RVS, and not an actual case point, like it was with Juls. I never expected it to come up after Adam mentioned it.

I know being vague isn't always helpful, however, I couldn't put my finger on why exactly it made Loran seem bad. It just did. Fortunately, it drew a rather interesting reaction.

[T-Bone]

I don't know or care where your vote is City. Go ahead and explain it and the reasoning in no more than a paragraph. I'm not interested in flooding this game with more quote walls that are allow certain players (not unlike yourself) to hide in the background.

GOGOGOGOGO

[Malakittens]

What is with Mehdi and City both posting elsewhere, but not here?

[Juls]

mod: please replace me

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My apologies but I can't keep up with the fast pace. Guess I should have stayed in retirement.

[Lastsurvivor]

Ls: No deal, mine is awesome. It points out the fact that lynching penguin seems to be harder.. therefore we (town) should just try to go for it and see what happens.

Ok how about

I answer yours and then you answer mine. Deal?

T-Bone what is this thing that you don't like

[Mehdi2277]

Junpei why did you never respond to my response for your vote reasons?

Never saw it, it was hard for me to catch up I wasn't able to respond and react to everything. Mind linking it to me?

Junpei speaking on something spoken already works. Why should I make my top scum read be for reasons that are original if they'd just be not true? I agreed with jal. I voted adam. And buddying with my treatment of adam? Not making confrontations with the same thing? Would you rather me yell at adam since I think my opinion is fairly clear currently there. I haven't defended people much yet.

Lurking at this point in the game for jal when she started a wagon and later doesn't equal 3 days later doesn't work well either. Same for last (sorry but school + sleep makes about 16 hours of the day not times for me to post).

@Mala, "I do have to say I like your posts. They are searching for scum and you are going after players." Can you expand on that? Isn't that just what everyone is supposed to be doing. Your reason for him being town is really just he looks town and doesn't explain much of why or how his scum hunting actually looks genuine instead of unsure (like in asking others on t-bone vs just asking t-bone directly).

@Penguin, I took 333 as him mainly fosing adam. And the two posts I referred to came after t-bone was saying his posts that page just weren't helpful. 337 is a lot more direct then those two seem strange together.

Curious how omgus and voting someone who votes you became the same thing in badness since it's just trying to fit a tell on several posts in part of page 15 plus is a nice way to make loran's vote seems worse then it is.

Mala since not all games are equal.

Lastly, UNVOTE: mala and VOTE: City. Vote being a. continued lack of explanation on someone she's fine voting to L-1 and a vague the way he reacted is interesting and convinced me more, b. arguing over what's considered lurking instead of just arguing it along with 306 which just tries to make loran trust her a bit more both not

[GreyICE]

Okay I'm done with this.

Unvote Vote: Loran

Because a protown player wouldn't be this unhelpful as he has been on the last two pages.

no stop

policy lynches are fucking stupid

we have limited amount of time until we're dead fucking we have to lynch someone who matters

the town will policy lynch Loran sooner or later we can be dead when it happens

Malakittens, Guille, or Jal. Help me pick one and we move in that direction.

[GreyICE]

@Mala, "I do have to say I like your posts. They are searching for scum and you are going after players." Can you expand on that? Isn't that just what everyone is supposed to be doing. Your reason for him being town is really just he looks town and doesn't explain much of why or how his scum hunting actually looks genuine instead of unsure (like in asking others on t-bone vs just asking t-bone directly).

@Penguin, I took 333 as him mainly fosing adam. And the two posts I referred to came after t-bone was saying his posts that page just weren't helpful. 337 is a lot more direct then those two seem strange together.

Curious how omgus and voting someone who votes you became the same thing in badness since it's just trying to fit a tell on several posts in part of page 15 plus is a nice way to make loran's vote seems worse then it is.

Mala since not all games are equal.

Lastly, UNVOTE: mala and VOTE: City. Vote being a. continued lack of explanation on someone she's fine voting to L-1 and a vague the way he reacted is interesting and convinced me more, b. arguing over what's considered lurking instead of just arguing it along with 306 which just tries to make loran trust her a bit more both not

Explain this vote better

Explain what you think of Malakittens better

Do you think you are playing one of your better games right now?

[T-Bone]

I'm leaning towards City myself. He's got one chance.

I knew full well I was putting him at L-1, I wanted to see if anyone was paying attention or if anyone was going to do anything about it.

[T-Bone]

Oh and Junpei, don't like what he did on the last page and with what Loran jumped and pointed out and stole my thunder. City, Jal, Junpei, that'd be my lynch list.

[GreyICE]

Oh and Junpei, don't like what he did on the last page and with what Loran jumped and pointed out and stole my thunder. City, Jal, Junpei, that'd be my lynch list.

Junpei is probably town. I mean like, not 100%, but I'd give him like 75-80%. Read #340-#368. See what I'm seeing?

Don't see the City-Electric hate to be honest. 386 seems genuine. I find a lack of good explanation, honestly presented, much more convincing than a clearly contrived explanation (see Guille, Malakittens, and their respective catchup posts). I'd rate his play as not great, but not sold on lynch.

[Malakittens]

I didn't say my catch-up post was completed. It's not and why do you find me scummy for my catch-up post?

[GreyICE]

I didn't say my catch-up post was completed. It's not and why do you find me scummy for my catch-up post?

-_-

Really

In what way did you offer us new information
Move the gamestate forward
Do fucking anything

Last survivor is 'searching for scum' and 'going after players' Jal is 'hunting.'

The Adam read is a giant fucking waste of space that you should be drawn, quartered, and shot for. Here's some posts you made in a scum game. They're similar to some posts you made in a town game in some way. I won't really explain what way. Probably means you're scum. It's a shit read made for shit reasons.

It basically reads like you've been coasting for days and are finally starting to draw some flak for it, and are now appeasing the town with a vague wall of something-or-other.

Catchup posts are scummy. The end.

[T-Bone]

340 is cool, 323 and 368 are the ones I have issue with Junpei. To me it looked like he forgot the angle he was trying to play this day phase, almost like a scumslip.

And...City...that is mostly lurker hate on my part. And maybe a bit of confusion with what Mala is doing by offering 'catch-ups'. Loran was seriously frustrating me at the time. But he better bookmark my #387 for his next post anyway.

Jal, we know why.