AMURIKA MAFIA - Game Over

[Hiraki]

This is null stupid no matter what Bulb's alignment is.

It reeks of experienced trying to look noobie.

[JasonWazza]

Well fuck Nacho didn't send a day start PM so this didn't come up on Ego >.>

Grrr Nacho

I'm gonna have to read some shiz now (i read day one but need to read up on day 2)

[Bulbazak]

While we're waiting, I want to know why everyone had such a strong town read on Om, because personally I don't see it. I look forward to hearing from Jason when he's finished.

[JasonWazza]

I'm looking hard at post 298 right now, and so

Vote: Jason

That slot is Scum.

Where is this even coming from?

The post your questioning is this

You mean town read?
She jumped in front of the wagon to maker her point about Joel from her own experience by saying

''he looks noob town as I was in similar position''

. She has enough experience to know how to keep distance from Joel if he was indeed her partner. I don't particularly agree with it and have Joel pegged as scum & taking strong stance is usually indicative of good town motives. By that accord; she is likely town then scum.
Also, FYI; as far as scum-hunting goes, you both have done pretty much same amount. Same as most of the players atm as far as I can see, so that's not exactly a argument indicative of alingment.

How is this scummy by any working?

Even working off flips this is him referencing Joel as scum and AA9 as town (and look she is)

Alright, fuck it.

I was decently sure on my Bulba townread.

Bulba, why do you continue to ask me the same useless questions?

Let's say I actually thought that the game was bastard and chamber wasn't confirmed.

Do you think I'm ACTUALLY going to get a wagon on him?

FFS.

Unvote, Vote: Bulba

He's trying to get a wagon on me and save his ass and it's fucking obvious.

so that's right motherfuckers

hiraki is goin' super saiyan

expect more later

This is null stupid no matter what Bulb's alignment is.

How is this null/stupid?

Repeat questioning either shows someone isn't reading, or they are trying to get an answer that suits them that they can jump on, at this point i can see bulb doing the latter

VOTE: Bulbazak

[SaintKerrigan]

How is this null/stupid?

Repeat questioning either shows someone isn't reading, or they are trying to get an answer that suits them that they can jump on, at this point i can see bulb doing the latter

There are other possibilities (including the very obvious one that I'm ascribing to), but I want to see Bulb defend himself before I say anything regarding that.

It reeks of experienced trying to look noobie.

Uh, no. That's not what it looks like to me. Again, I want to see what Bulb himself says about all this before I add my piece, but let's just say I think you're loco.

[SaintKerrigan]

Actually, nevermind, I just reread again and realized he's already said what he needed to say.

The very obvious explanation is that Bulb is personally frustrated by a continued derp move from Hiraki. Sometimes, there's just these little things that most people will ignore, but that someone, somewhere, will focus in on a little more. I think that's what's happening here.

I mean, Hiraki's Chamber pizzazz is pretty much the same thing as his case on me: pretty superficially stupid, but ultimately it doesn't hurt anything because it's not really serious. Sometimes, though, these kind of things bug people.

[Bulbazak]

I largely ignored Hiraki's posts on Chamber, because I thought Cryo was handling the matter well and that it would be out of his system d1. I did have a hard time following Hiraki's responses to Cryo though, but there were bigger fish to fry, and I didn't think he was scum. It does bother me that he's kept on this, and I would like a straight answer from him for once in this game.

You mean town read?
She jumped in front of the wagon to maker her point about Joel from her own experience by saying

''he looks noob town as I was in similar position''

. She has enough experience to know how to keep distance from Joel if he was indeed her partner. I don't particularly agree with it and have Joel pegged as scum & taking strong stance is usually indicative of good town motives. By that accord; she is likely town then scum.
Also, FYI; as far as scum-hunting goes, you both have done pretty much same amount. Same as most of the players atm as far as I can see, so that's not exactly a argument indicative of alingment.

How is this scummy by any working?

Even working off flips this is him referencing Joel as scum and AA9 as town (and look she is)

I don't like this at all. The problem was that Om was positive that AA9 was town when no one else was. The reasons he provided did not stand up to scrutiny, as Morning demonstrated in her response to him. It feels like he knows she is town and Joel is scum, and is using that knowledge to try to gain town cred once that flip happens. Jason's post shows the same tendency. He makes sure to add the fact that AA9 flipped town in parentheses, as if to say, "Hey, my slot called it right. See. Town.". Again, he's going for the town cred. Not only this, but there was also that entire Om/SK interaction that screams scum to me.

Vote JasonWazza

[Hiraki]

because I thought Cryo was handling the matter well and that it would be out of his system d1.

So this assumes that you thought I was serious, even though I said I was never serious.

and I would like a straight answer from him for once in this game.

You're fucking dead.

Look--I am

really

sure that Bulba has to be an experienced trying to make it out that he's not experienced.

Here's an RVS example:

If you could Quote where we said that you are Scum, we'd be grateful.

So why are you voting me if you don't think I am scum?

Basically, Bulba had used a strawman here--it's obvious. He thinks that the only way Cryo can vote him is if they call him scum

on page 2

In post 38, PeregrineV wrote:
Are you scum?


Do you seriously expect anyone to answer that?

Another example. Bulba gives a crappy answer later that he doesn't realize it's rhetorical but really?

Really?

Meanwhile this is the guy has said some of the most logical things in the game:

How is voting badly scummy? Scum will make bad votes or votes that they know are not true, but that doesn't mean ALL bad votes are scummy. I've seen many town players make what would be considered bad votes, simply because they believed in what they were saying at the time. I've also seen town players with a bad vote or reason to vote actually hit scum. Bad votes by themselves ARE NOT inherently scummy. This is an example of the HBA fallacy.

What's your read on Gorgon?

I'll need to help out in Superstorm

Finding

Nemo but when I come back, expect terror.

Again, I want to see what Bulb himself says about all this before I add my piece, but let's just say I think you're loco.

Oh--totally am.

What exactly did I do, again?

Seemed like a bit of bad offensive toward him. But that was early game and I'm letting that go. Not sure of my read on you now.

[Nachomamma8]

Ascalon was the name of St. George’s sword which he used to slay the dragon, and he did not have sex with the princess of Silene. That would be blasphemy. But he did manage to convert fifteen thousand men to Christianity, so that’s essentially the same thing.

Votecount 2.1:

Konowa (2): CryoNudist, PeregrineV
Bulbazak (4): SaintKerrigan, chamber2, Hiraki, JasonWazza
JasonWazza (2): goodmorning, Bulbazak
PeregrineV (1): DansAdvent

Not Voting (2): Konowa, Gorgon,

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

[Hiraki]

and reading it over again

by offensive I mean in terms of defensive and offensive, not like insulting

[Konowa]

Getting to this today. Have notes at my computer, which I'm not at but Hiraki was who I thought was most likely to be scum with Joel based on association.

Short post short is it wasn't Hiraki defending Joel insomuch as he thought Joel was Town but it was the "look GUYZ he's OBVNUBZ" crap.

[SaintKerrigan]

Mod: I think there's only 11 people alive, so shouldn't it be 11 alive, 6 to lynch?

Konowa's first post makes me go "hmmmmmm this might be a live one".

~Nacho

[SaintKerrigan]

Seemed like a bit of bad offensive toward him. But that was early game and I'm letting that go. Not sure of my read on you now.

Why did you push me as a lynch candidate earlier today, then, if you're letting that stuff go?

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: I mean, it wasn't that strong a push, but still.

[Bulbazak]

@Hiraki: What if I'm just really well read?

What's your read on Gorgon?

I've liked his posts so far, especially the back and forth between him and myself, so I have a pretty strong town read on him.

[Hiraki]

EBWOP: I mean, it wasn't that strong a push, but still.

[SaintKerrigan]

EBWOP: I mean, it wasn't that strong a push, but still.

Fair enough.

[CryoChemist]

Spoiler:

VOTE: bulbazak

Random vote is random!

Sounds like it's too random.

What exactly is

too

random?

There's random as in "not based on play or actual belief of scuminess, but something else" random, and there's "roll a dice" random.

Which is yours?

The latter. I saw a name that I knew nothing about and picked it.

Uh, don't remember...
Oh yeah, when you said that I just jumped on the wagon; and I did. I'm off the wagon, I think Bulba's town, I think Saint's scum - not that it matters, because when I'm lynched you'll be pissed off that none of the "called team" is scum. Not my problem - town seems smart enough to figure out who's scum right now.

This seems scummy to me, joel. It seems like you're resigned to being lynched already. "Meh, just kill me and get it over with!" is how I interpret it.

Also, you have still not explained. why it's ok for Bulb to FoS you, but when SK does it, it's a scumtell. That's incongruous.

Also, no reasoning for townreads or scumreads on Bulb and SK.

Unvote

VOTE: joelsdaman1

Getting to this today. Have notes at my computer, which I'm not at but Hiraki was who I thought was most likely to be scum with Joel based on association.

Short post short is it wasn't Hiraki defending Joel insomuch as he thought Joel was Town but it was the "look GUYZ he's OBVNUBZ" crap.

In other news: DB/Konowa is Scummy McScumertin from Scumtown. Our previous reasons pointing DB did and still do apply and this avoiding prod post from Konowa isn't any better than the gems DB gave us.

In other-other news, Bulbs posts are looking more town than we'd thought them capable. One thing that still bothers us is what is bothering most everyone else on the wagon so it seems and that is:

This vote is not a response to being voted for by the way. It's a response to the "finger of suspicion", the scummiest move in the game.

This gem from joel came 4 posts after Bulb's fos and 2 after SK's. Yup, that's right folks, joel "missed" Bulb's fos, "the scummiest move in the game" to jump on SK within 6 posts. This tells us 2 things: one, Joel was avoiding association with Bulb after his RVS vote (after which he called bulb town so many times we puked), and that SK wasn't partnered with joel.

Speaking of SK, we don't like Hiraki. His posts are pretty awful (read: scummy as hell) and if he thinks his posts are going to convince anyone to agree, much less follow, him into voting one of his "suspect", he's got another think coming.

[SaintKerrigan]

...what the hell? At first I thought it was spelled "CryoNudist", and then later I looked at it and I read "CyroNudist" so I've changed my spelling, and now I look at it again and it reads "CryoNudist". Maybe I need to start taking drugs.

In other news,

Cryo

Nudist has essentially summed up my position on Bulb at the moment.

[Hiraki]

with 4 votes

i don't need your support, bro (n.b. i'm not taking any claim for starting the wagon)

[SaintKerrigan]

with 4 votes

i don't need your support, bro (n.b. i'm not taking any claim for starting the wagon)

Ok, I'm sorry, but I'm so sick of your arrogant bullshit.

Unvote: Bulbazak

That thing Cryo mentioned was the only reason I still had my vote on him, anyway (hell, it was the

only

reason I voted for him). It still makes me edgy, but otherwise Bulb has been feeling pretty darn town to me. On the other hand, your case on him is just asinine.

Vote: Konowa

[Hiraki]

On the other hand, your case on him is just asinine.

I'm working on it--like I said earlier.

[Konowa]

120 is why Hiraki is scum. As I said earlier all of the "GUYZ GUYZ he's noobz" is such a soft defense without actually having to take a stance on his alignment, then repeated "joel wagon is bad" later on D1, again no stance on actual alignment is scum behavior.

Don't think Hiraki and bulb are scum together. Not so sure how quickly Hiraki would bus remaining buddy on D2.

Vote: Hiraki

[SaintKerrigan]

120 is why Hiraki is scum. As I said earlier all of the "GUYZ GUYZ he's noobz" is such a soft defense without actually having to take a stance on his alignment, then repeated "joel wagon is bad" later on D1, again no stance on actual alignment is scum behavior.

Don't think Hiraki and bulb are scum together. Not so sure how quickly Hiraki would bus remaining buddy on D2.

Vote: Hiraki

Confirm Vote: Konowa

[Konowa]

Cool story.