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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:25 pm

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In post 155, leviathan93 wrote:^^^^^ and your reason for it being bad IS?

just because you say something is bad doesn't mean it is. i see no way how it can be bad. I agree with serrapaladin twisting my words.

to me, i switched my vote from someone i had nothing on to someone that did something that i deem as possibly scummy and since i don't have a scum read on anyone else at the moment. serra paladin works for me.


It was a jump on a wagon with nothing more than a +1 to the guy before you. Do you really have nothing more solid than 'he could possible have twisted my words.'

In post 157, Yates wrote:
In post 156, Mr_Ree wrote:@Yates, in the Inbetweeners I was in one of two scum teams

Ah right. I forgot there were two scum teams in that game. I feel better about your benchmark.

Re: AJ - I've only been in one game with him that I can recall. Aj The Epic was confirmed VT when I replaced in and died that night so I don't have much in terms of meta knowledge on him. I think you may be slightly jaded towards AJ due to his RVS vote on you so keep that in mind as you assess his play. I think characterizing his "I know myself to be Town" statement when giving the logic behind his stance in post 45 as a "softclaim" is a farce. Honestly, the only "questionable" post he has made was his "sarcasm" post. I didn't read that as sarcastic in the slightest either, given that he voted with me in the same breath. That said, he is agreeing with me on a player I have been unimpressed with thus far so I'm not judging that too harshly and appreciate the wagon support.

In post 156, Mr_Ree wrote:I kind of think you guys are barking up the wrong tree with SP and/or Fuzzybuttern,uts so I won't be too offended if you think I'm doing the same.

I will admit that the biggest "hole in my swing" mafia wise would be derp play. I often find it incredibly difficult to distinguish between bad play and scum play when logic is all but nonexistant. I was most recently in 0 Percent Flavor with -L- and HD, as an example. I had a hard on to get Monkeyman lynched Day 1. People convinced me I was on a witch hunt and that he was just derp. As a result he lived until Day 4 and guess what? =4711737]He was scum. Conversely, -L- played like a complete tool. I ended up switching my vote to her Day 1 and helped =4665635]lynch our Gunsmith. Honestly, as bad as -L- was playing that probably ended up being part of the reason we won in retrospect but it didn't make me happy. I don't think I ever voted for scum HD that game, btw, which shows you that I can sometimes be equally fooled by competent play. *shrug*

So I guess what I'm saying is that I think serra is scummy/playing poorly enough that his lynch could be good for Town one way or the other in lieu of an obviously superior lynch candidate. So, I'm comfortable with his wagon unless you can convince me that you have a way better lynch candidate.


Isn't it a little early to be discussing which lynch, town or scum, can be informative?

In post 158, Aj The Epic wrote:
In post 154, Lord Mhork wrote:I'm just gonna point out that this is bad and y'all should wagon levy with me instead of Serra.


While we're discussing meta: Levvy has an interesting complex of making moves that makes you want to slap him or yourself. I played against him in a bonsai (tree stump) game. It was incredibly weird, to say the least, since he sheeped the conftown so hard, when I replaced in, I was massively worried about him. With him, you basically have to go "Would average scum players do this?" and walk through what it would gain him for doing so. Yeah, sheeping Yates, but I've seen him do this before. I eventually lost the game by sitting him in L-1 thinking he was scum.


I don't understand what you're trying to tell me here. Can you use smaller words for my aching head? >.<

In post 169, Yates wrote:
In post 168, Aj The Epic wrote:calling people town as a general acceptance is a good way to get that person killed.

Quoted for truth. Part of the reason I started posting with a more surly demeanor is because I was becoming obvtown too soon and getting killed N1 or N2. By not pulling punches I've found that I get better results even if people aren't super happy with my "no kids gloves" demeanor. Also, scum seem to think I'm mislynch bait as a result. Also, I'm sometimes wrong which makes scum even more sure they can get me mislynched or try to get me to focus on their Town mislynch du jour.

As an aside - That's that uncomfortable feeling that you can't explain, fuzzy, so stop being dumb and accept I could be scum. You don't know. Or do you?


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Are you seriously saying that you want to play scummy to avoid taking the bullet for the town?
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:26 pm

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In post 175, Lord Mhork wrote:I don't understand what you're trying to tell me here. Can you use smaller words for my aching head? >.<


Levvy may do scummy things, but they're generally so scummy that scum wouldn't do it because it wouldn't help scum.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:28 pm

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Too scummy to be scum isn't a very reliable tell. And if he's really that bad, he'll be a hindrance come LyLo and should die quickly.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:37 pm

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@Mhork. you are now twisting my words. and facts. he DID twist my words. theres no "possible" as you say i was saying. the "possible" you would be referring too, is whether or not he MEANT to purposely twist my words or not. that would tell if he was indeed scummy or not. i am currently leaning scum.

also your whole "we can't trust him in lynch or lose theory is bullshit" the game rules say i have to play to win whatever side i'm on. so just because you can't trust me in lynch or lose that must make you think i'm scum. if so, then lynch me for that NOT because i'm town and you can't trust me because i'm town. that's completely anti-town behavior.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:44 pm

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Hi there, Mr. Defensive.

I was simply pointing out that 'he's really scummy as town' is NOT an acceptable reason to ignore scummy play.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 6:46 pm

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lol. yes, i'm being defensive. =P i don't care. i'm playing the game how i believe i need to play the game in order to insure victory for my side. =P
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:11 pm

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Ensure*

You could start by looking really, really townie.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:12 pm

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The fact you said 'my side' rather than 'the town' has been noted, signed, and documented in triplicate. Good job there, pal.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:27 pm

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well, i'm glad it has been noted. i don't want to blurt out my role and then have you question me for lying. so i went with a neutral.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:40 pm

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What do you mean question you for lying?

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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:41 pm

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In post 184, Lord Mhork wrote:What do you mean question you for lying?

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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:11 pm

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maybe question was the wrong word. pressure me and accuse me are more the way i was going with that. every time i claim early in a town game because i think it will help everyone thinks its a stupid idea and says i'm not what i say i am and believes i should be lynched for being scum. =P
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:13 pm

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So you fear pressure. Is that what you're saying?
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:21 pm

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yes, very much so. regardless of my alignment i do. doesn't everyone? town should fear it if they want to survive towards the end to solidify a town win.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:03 am

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In post 175, Lord Mhork wrote:Isn't it a little early to be discussing which lynch, town or scum, can be informative?

It's never too early to discuss information. That, however, is not at all what I was saying. I was saying serra is either scum OR playing in a way that impedes Town [much like -L- did in 0%] which makes *ME* comfortable with his lynch. Anybody else on the wagon needs to have their own reasons for being on it as it will be analyzed later.

In post 175, Lord Mhork wrote:Are you seriously saying that you want to play scummy to avoid taking the bullet for the town?

Not exactly - but yes. I'd rather be around and have at least *some* control over how this game goes than be dead and leave the game in the hands of people I have less confidence in read wise than myself. You don't know my role. Maybe I'm just waiting for the right moment to drop the PR [soft]claim to draw scum to me at a later point - as I did in Politics Mafia. All that remains to be see is this; do you already know my alignment?? <_<
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:12 am

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Mhork, -L- is already being replaced

In post 167, fuzzybutternut wrote:The whole "there is a possibility that everyone is scum" thing gave me a town read on him, but, now that I look back at it, I'm willing to take that much back.


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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:55 am

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Sup, Saftey. You scum, bro?
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:55 am

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Are you sure you're not scum Yates?
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:47 pm

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Fuzzy and Lev are pretty scummy imo.

I dont like the
"I take it back" attitude from Fuzzy.


Also Lev if what you said in post 180 is true, and your ideology is "guilty until proven innocent" then I am pretty sure you are trying to make scum win.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:27 pm

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there is nothing wrong with "guilty until proven innocent" it basically says that i'm not trusting that much because anyone can be scum which is how town is supposed to play the game.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:10 pm

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In post 194, kiwieagle wrote:Fuzzy and Lev are pretty scummy imo.

I dont like the
"I take it back" attitude from Fuzzy.


Also Lev if what you said in post 180 is true, and your ideology is "guilty until proven innocent" then I am pretty sure you are trying to make scum win.
Making you scum.


What "I take it back" attitude are you talking about?
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:34 pm

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I don't get why Yates isn't really commenting on anything besides me. It seems he's quite content to have me as his target for the foreseeable future and justified this by saying even if I'm not scum, my play is bad enough for town to warrant my lynch. Surely there are other people who warrant his attention more than me.

Levi's back and forth with Mhork is pretty bad, and I don't know in how far I'm willing to accept Aj's read, that levi is too scummy to be scum.

I don't really see fuzzy as scum.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:35 pm

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^^^^ well, then you will just have to see for yourself how wrong you are. =)
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:37 pm

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^The hell was that?
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