Micro 151: Mafia in New-Newbie Land (Game over!)

[Quilford]

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"We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things, because we're curious and curiosity keeps leading us down new paths."
― Walt Disney

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Xegarus

(3) Pala, Wisdom, Majiffy <

Majiffy

(2) Xegarus, CityElectric

mothrax

(1) Mr E Roll

Mr E Roll

(1) elvis_knits

Wisdom

(1) borkjerfkin

Not Voting (1) mothrax

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With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2013-04-15 06:29:02).

[Wisdom]

Forgive me for not getting the point here, but are you trying to say that getting annoyed at being called a lurker is a bad thing?

You're indeed not getting the point.
Two different things:
a) Getting annoyed at being called a lurker
b) Getting annoyed at being called scum for something you'd also do as town.

[elvis_knits]

3) His tone when accused of lurking. Like bork said, this sounds like accused scum who is annoyed about the reasons that they're being accused; probably thinking "wtf I would be like this as town too".

Have already pointed out why i disagree with that.
Now lets just entertain the thought that this is how i would play for both alignments. Assuming you believe it, what then?

this is how i would play for both alignments

this is how i would play for both alignments

this is how i WOULD play for both alignments

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You're not saying you're town.

You're saying you would play this way if you were town.

That's a problem.

[elvis_knits]

third was calling someone town. Correct me if I'm wrong but the object of the game is scum hunting, right? If you aren't doing that I don't see much contribution going on.

Sure that the way town wins is by getting rid of scum, but getting a town is just as useful as getting a scum read. I can't see your point here.

I'm not a big fan of blatantly identifying all town reads no.

I agree.

I think it gives scum a clearer picture of who to nk

Is that night kill or no kill?
If thats a night kill, then certainly. But it can help whomever got the read influence others.......assuming he isnt just scum with town cred.
If it was no kill, i dont quite understand.

Well I was gonna say that I only see scum say that giving townreads is a bad idea, but actually... I think I have probably seen some town saying it sometimes. But really, I have seen it more coming from scum. Scum discourage acceptance of townies as being townies because then it narrows their pool of people they can lynch. Nevermind how powerful a townblock can be, as you said.

There is also the other argumant against giving reads that it changes how people play depending on the reads given. Like say you give a scum a town read. It could give them the confidence to bus their buddy and still end up on top.

It seems like you're saying all different things on the topic of townreads.

First you don't see mothrax's point, and then you agree with him.

Which one is it?

[elvis_knits]

I wanna go charging off and vote xegaras

Why?
You sure love mentioning me, you have yet to give a legitimate reason to vote. Why even mention this if you haven't read everything? It shows you already have a fixed mindset to an ideal and probably will interprete based around that ideal. Or you're scum. Your early play about being clueless to pre game theory looked so forced, as if to try and town slip.

First of all, I did want to vote you based on my feeling you were scummiest so far (because you popped in immediately after being called a lurker -- and I pointed out that I didn't like this) but didn't want to without making sure I had thoroughly read everything. And even after I read everything I didn't actually vote you -- so how did I interpret things with a fixed mindset?? I actually have changed some of my opinions based on my through read (like the fact that i got less sure mothrax was town). My behavior actually disporves everything you're saying up there.

And where was I clueless to pre game theory?? I never said I was clueless. I said I don't think scum try to prolong pregame, based on my experience that I never have, so I didn't think it was a tell.

And now you're trying to say I'm trying to fake a townslip? Wut? That's so scummy, man. First of all, I don't know where I have townslipped, or where you think I have, but if I did then why do you think it was fake? This seems like the most horrible scummy reasoning to try to throw doubt on a person that most people are thinking is prob town.

Heck

Xegaras #47 is slightly weird because he's defending majiffy's right not to random vote while he is also voting majiffy. But I guess it's just a random vote, so it's not super hypocritical to defend somebody you're random voting since random votes aren't that serious. Still... a bit odd.

WTF is this? This means absolutely nothing but you still mentioned it. Why?

Trying to generate content and get this game started?

I thought it was weird for you to vote a person and them defend them. Get it?

Have you read everything yet?
Still feel the need to vote me?

YEs, and yes, but I think I will see what your response is to this first.

[borkjerfkin]

@ bork and Wisdom -- can you explain why you feel so confident that moth is town?

Yep --

My initial read was for #37, which I think is a good acknowledgement that scumreads are an analog thing and he wasn't trying to make a bigger deal out of his vote than needed to be on page 1/2.

The exchange with Majiffy solidified the read -- I think scum might've taken two potential routes with that
1) Continue the pissing match indefinitely in the hopes that someone calls it town on town or they see a crack in the armor
2) Immediately call Majiffy town for pushing back at all and ignore him

He(She?) didn't do either of those -- I think he acknowledged the playstyle gap and was willing to put the argument on hold, while not making a judgment that he didn't necessarily feel he had the answer to and pursuing other avenues.

I agree that the 6/3 speculation thing is null. It's maybe less null for someone out of practice for so long but meh. Some people don't dabble in normals.

[borkjerfkin]

I support the Xegarus wagon right now -- 165 is a bad bad post.

That said, there are plenty of people I don't have very good reads on and I'm not even remotely eager to end the day right now.

I'd like to hear more people's thoughts on Wisdom, Pala, Majiffy, Mr. E, and I'm going to try to harden my reads on the latter three of those players as well. I have better handles on the others. Not much I can do w/ CE right now.

[Majiffy]

-_-
Wanna say anything about it or are you just sheeping Wisdom.
If you are sheeping Wisdom, STICK THAT UP YOUR FLOWCHART.

AH LYKE WAGINZ.

[mothrax]

Eroll: do you think xerg is scum?

If xerg is scummy for lurking (I know it's not the only point against him) what are people's opinions on CE?

[CityElectric]

Super scum, I'd guess

Also, my reads are parrots of Majiffy's? Didn't notice.

And, with the risk of being accused of sheeping and all, I think I like the xeg wagon. Majiffy feels town.

[elvis_knits]

^^ That was most boring post evar

[Pala]

Quick post to say I haven't had time for much more than a quick skim today, but I'm happy with where my vote is for the moment. Will try to catch up properly tomorrow.

[Xegarus]

3) His tone when accused of lurking. Like bork said, this sounds like accused scum who is annoyed about the reasons that they're being accused; probably thinking "wtf I would be like this as town too".

Have already pointed out why i disagree with that.
Now lets just entertain the thought that this is how i would play for both alignments. Assuming you believe it, what then?

this is how i would play for both alignments

this is how i would play for both alignments

this is how i WOULD play for both alignments

...

You're not saying you're town.

You're saying you would play this way if you were town.

That's a problem.

You see the part where i say "entertain the thought", it means i'm talking hypothetically.

It seems like you're saying all different things on the topic of townreads.

First you don't see mothrax's point, and then you agree with him.

Which one is it?

I am perfectly happy with someone giving a town read. Heck, i'll do the same. What i don't like is giving reads on everyone. Id much rather give the reads of what would be most relevant at the time.

First of all, I did want to vote you based on my feeling you were scummiest so far (because you popped in immediately after being called a lurker -- and I pointed out that I didn't like this) but didn't want to without making sure I had thoroughly read everything

If you haven't noticed, i have been popping up at around the same time. This is the only time i am actually free and able to post. It was just a mere coincidence that he called me a lurker at the time i was free.

And on the matter of lurking, sure i was annoyed at being called a lurker rather than being called scum for doing something i would do as town, but it was more to the point that i was wrongly and baselessly called a lurker.

And even after I read everything I didn't actually vote you -- so how did I interpret things with a fixed mindset??

Let me get this straight.
You keep saying you will vote for me after you have read everything.
I post saying that you will interprete everything i do in a fixed ideal.
You post, having read everything including what i say, and say "I didnt do what you said i would therefore nothing wrong with me"
If someone predicts what you are going to do and is correct, if you notice it before you do it, you are likely to not do it.

I actually have changed some of my opinions based on my through read (like the fact that i got less sure mothrax was town). My behavior actually disporves everything you're saying up there.

Forgive me for being a little arrogant but we are talking about you saying you are going to vote me and the fact that it would affect your judgement of me.

And where was I clueless to pre game theory?? I never said I was clueless. I said I don't think scum try to prolong pregame, based on my experience that I never have, so I didn't think it was a tell.

And now you're trying to say I'm trying to fake a townslip? Wut? That's so scummy, man. First of all, I don't know where I have townslipped, or where you think I have, but if I did then why do you think it was fake? This seems like the most horrible scummy reasoning to try to throw doubt on a person that most people are thinking is prob town.

My apologies. I fucked up here. A wrongly misinterpretation on my part. Sorry.

But on the pre game point, whether or not you saw no benefit to prolong pre game, You must have seen that there may have been advantages to scum. And you questioning on why people would do that seems off.

I thought it was weird for you to vote a person and them defend them. Get it?

First of all, i didnt defend anyone. I merely asked a quesion.
Secondly, even if i did defend the person i was voting, what is so weird about that?
You expect me to tunnel my scum read soo hard that anything anyone says gets a free pass?

YEs, and yes, but I think I will see what your response is to this first.

Well here is my response, voting yet?

I support the Xegarus wagon right now -- 165 is a bad bad post.

Bork, you know what would make your post even better, if you make it even vague-er. Cause at the moment its far too specific.

And, with the risk of being accused of sheeping and all, I think I like the xeg wagon.

You know, saying that doesnt get you off the hook of sheeping. What do you think of Mothrax?

[elvis_knits]

Super scum, I'd guess

Also, my reads are parrots of Majiffy's? Didn't notice.

And, with the risk of being accused of sheeping and all, I think I like the xeg wagon. Majiffy feels town.

Just noticed you're voting majiffy...

Someone you think is town...

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Uhhhh

???

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[elvis_knits]

I really don't wanna play the wall post game with xegarus.

I think we both made our points.

I still don't like him.

[Wisdom]

You're still not voting him.

[borkjerfkin]

I really don't wanna play the wall post game with xegarus.

I think we both made our points.

I still don't like him.

I concur. Anyone else you don't/do like? We need more breadth

[elvis_knits]

I don't like xegarus, or Mr. E roll.

But now I don't like CE either because he is voting majiffy who he says is town.

[borkjerfkin]

I think she's just being lazy

[borkjerfkin]

I say this because she simply hasn't moved her vote and hasn't said "I confirm this Majiffy vote as no longer random" it's just been there the whole time.

[elvis_knits]

Yeah that's true.

It's taking "not trying" to a new level.

But I guess I don't really get scum vibes off his posting. But my patience is waning.

And I don't like how he's apparently paying no attention to who he is voting or he knows he's voting somebody he thinks is town.

[borkjerfkin]

CE = girl

She's not an appropriate D1 lynch at this particular juncture.

[elvis_knits]

Nah I wasn't suggesting we lynch CE.

OK I think it's time

VOTE: xegarus

You're L-1 dude.

But I really want more CE participation, hopefully before day ends.

[mothrax]

I'm stating intent to hammer here. I will when the time comes but I have more to say before the day ends, just not when I'm phone posting. I also second the call for more CE posting.

[borkjerfkin]

It's not just CE we need more from. It's pretty much everyone but you, elvis, and me.