Mini 1446, Generic Mafia (Game Over)

[Bacde]

Vote: Ankamius

[Bacde]

hey guys lets lynch ankamius

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no thats the opposite of what I wanted

[Bacde]

I don't really understand your question

[Bacde]

can you rephrase it for me?

[Bacde]

oh I'm not

get back on animakius this quicklynch is going to happen

[Bacde]

Vote: Horus

why not

[Bacde]

ok now I actually think horus is scum

[Bacde]

ok hoopla is town

HD might be scum

lets get more votes on horus wooo

[Bacde]

nah

[Bacde]

mostly I just don't want my scum buddy lynched d1

what other false motivations are you gonna construe behind my actions?

[Bacde]

ok hoopla is town

HD might be scum

lets get more votes on horus wooo

seems like soft omgus there

where?

yeah this comment was outta left field

[Bacde]

I wouldn't have needed to infer your motivatations had you not declined to explain them yourself first

explanation: I'm scumhunting

feel better now?

I think its weird that you think I'm defending Palmar from my "HD might be scum" comment--which is about as light as suspicion can possibly be

my reasoning was that he made a Palmar/Horus connection really fast which I didn't see

[Bacde]

my reasoning was that he made a Palmar/Horus connection really fast which I didn't see

the way horus voted palmar is a bus vote

you really don't see that?

I could see that horus didn't have any gusto in his vote

maybe its cuz of a bus I dunno

[Bacde]

^^Yeah I don't really understand why Horus didn't just vote for Palmar to begin with, or why Fegelein's explanation (which was ok but nothing truly convincing) turned Horus to vote

[Bacde]

^^Yeah I don't really understand why Horus didn't just vote for Palmar to begin with, or why Fegelein's explanation (which was ok but nothing truly convincing) turned Horus to vote

actually I found the rvs point pretty good but that's besides the point

it reads as fake and bussing

I guess I'm just not convinced about palmar

horus def reads fake tho

[Bacde]

I'm bored and rofl is town so

Vote: Zhero

wagon on Palmar looks retarded

[Bacde]

dude CES why don't you suggest wagons to me

[Bacde]

you and me baby ain't nothin but mammals

so lets

Vote: Zhero

like they vote zhero on the discovery channel

[Bacde]

Scum

Zhero
T S O
Horus

Ok with lynching

Zhero
T S O
Horus

[Bacde]

I feel like I've missed something. Why is TSO being voted? Please refer me to an explanation if one has already been given and I'm overlooking it.

I didn't like the feel of his reaction to Bacde's reads in #128, it felt a bit like reaching to impart motivations into Bacde's post that were not apparent. He hadn't pinged my scumdar prior to that, though, so I'm a little confused by the sudden movement against him.

I don't really understand this post because you answered your own question

Vote: T S O

[Bacde]

Uninspired.

I'm reaching out to you CES

pretty soon you will be suggesting wagons to ME specifically

[Bacde]

I could see CES scum, but I'm pretty sure TSO is like definitely scum

[Bacde]

whats up homey

[Bacde]

Sup Bacde

I'm rereading entirely and now I think CES looks kinda bad in his exchange with you

He just gives me that "I'm slapping on reasons to call you scum that don't really exist" vibe

Do you agree?

I'm not impressed by CES's play, but it still makes sense from a town perspective

what do you think about T S O

[Bacde]

Are you scum w/ T S O HD?

[Bacde]

a lot of it has to do w/ your overreaction to me just putting you on the "scum" list

[Bacde]

Nah, that wasn't what I asked. Why was I on the scum list in the first place?

I just didn't see anything to make you town, so I threw you on there

your reaction convinced me though

[Bacde]

ok rofl it looks like we have similar reasons for suspecting our scumspects

naturally I think T S O is a better place to vote

[Bacde]

I make light ad homs like that as town all the time though

[Bacde]

lol fegel are you town in this game? I'm quite surprised

[Bacde]

Unvote, vote: TSO

The naked vote.
Bacde, that seems coincidental and tacked-on. Not town =/= scum. That's a basic definition, and one you know. Not buying that at all.

what is tacked on and coincidental?

I don't even know what you are talking about

[Bacde]

^^What's wrong with making a "mistake"?

what are you worried about?

[Bacde]

plus I think T S O admitted that he is "not town"

sounds like "caught me for the wrong reasons"

[Bacde]

Fegelein and IFM, please contribute.

TSO-Fegelein looks too good; this is such a classic.

And I'm waiting for you to give reasoning on me that has any depth, 'copter.

I mean I can see what roflcopter is getting at when he suspects you

I'm just not convinced

your responses do suck, since you are pretty centered around "why am I scummy" instead of "lets catch scum guys"

[Bacde]

Unvote, vote: TSO

The naked vote.
Bacde, that seems coincidental and tacked-on. Not town =/= scum. That's a basic definition, and one you know. Not buying that at all.

what is tacked on and coincidental?

I don't even know what you are talking about

You didn't see me as town, so you said I was scum. Would you not put me as null? It seems tacked on because it's a very handy answer. You couldn't seem to find any scummy posts so you used that response instead.

Fegelein and IFM, please contribute.

@roflcopter: does it make a difference to you that ces has nakedvoted 3 times this game? eg. it's a thing he does?

sheesh, the lack of town motivation is pretty apparent in this post:

1) I haven't done ANYTHING in this game, so I haven't done anything scummy. How did you catch me so fast?

2) Please contribute guys, even though I'm not

3) Random question, possible defense of CES, not directed at finding scum

[Bacde]

I could totally see CES scum but can we lynch T S O first plzkthx

[Bacde]

maybe he meant "just saying" instead of "JacobSavage"?

[Bacde]

What a dumb abbreviation. Oh well, your explanation did seem to make too much sense for an accidental post.

...wha?

[Bacde]

"hey guys I'm T S O and I'm scum and i'm not gonna post anything in the thread because pretending to be town is tough work"

basically you get the idea

feg/beastcharizard I'm choosing to ignore your useless interaction until later

[Bacde]

we need more people to pay attention to ces

tbh I haven't really noticed anything about CES that is worthy of my vote

just vibes

[Bacde]

if beast flips scum then CES is probtown

just saying

[Bacde]

we need more people to pay attention to ces

tbh I haven't really noticed anything about CES that is worthy of my vote

just vibes

that's my point. he's a slimy non-presence. he keeps implying what i've brought up against him is insufficient due to the amount that i suck at this game while at the same time doing nothing further of enough worth to merit even mentioning (thus preventing me from having anything other than what i've already said about him, that he's already dismissed without trying to actually refute).

so once again, votes for ces please.

why vote for CES who might be scum when we can lynch confirmed scum T S O today?

[Bacde]

obviously once T S O is out of the picture I'll be more interested in pursuing CES

[Bacde]

but I'm more confident T S O will flip scum

and thus here is where the source of our disagreement lies

[Bacde]

the only thing making me not like lynching T S O right now are the names besides me on the wagon

[Bacde]

lol I feel like I helped you convince me

VOTE: CES

[Bacde]

Hoopla might be scum getting comfortable on his horus vote

[Bacde]

nice

[Bacde]

so HD

whats up

whats going on man you're in this game

[Bacde]

Judging by that Bacde-roflcopter chat, unless it was (very unlikely) co-ordinated, I see the pair of them as Town.

I strongly disliked this post. I'm having a difficult time placing why, though.

lol why

[Bacde]

To be perfectly honest, I get minor scum vibes from both TSO and CES.

Let me iso the pair of them before I go on.

me too, tbh I'm ok with lynching either of these scumbags

[Bacde]

Why not TSO, Hoopls?

HD, it makes more sense to sheep me. Rofl's stuff is a pretty good example of reasoning that fails the "Is X the kind of player that would actually do this as scum?"-test.

this is a pretty good example of "caught for the wrong reasons"

[Bacde]

can any of the stooges on the fegelein wagon explain to me what they are seeing and why fegel is scummy so that I can believe something other than you are just trying to hide?

[Bacde]

when ces flips scum we lynch ank tomorrow

did you see ank's "case" on fegel?

it was so lazy

actually it wasn't bad though, it was just the laziest case I've ever seen in my life

I had to ISO her, find her worthless "case" post, and then ALSO iso Fegelein so I could see the posts she was referring to, and had to jump back and forth between her post and the ISO on fegel

honestly her "just ISO me" pissed me off enough that I am never going to vote fegelein today, just because of the laziness of the case. I want ankamius to learn that if she wants to convince people to vote with her, she can learn to fucking make a good case and spend a little bit of time writing some enjoyable rhetoric or something to make me actually want to follow her. also if someone asks her to restate her points she can do that rather than just demanding a self-ISO

so basically, I'm not convinced that she was trying to develop a counterwagon for scum purposes, but god damn that was a lazy thing to do that she asked of me yesterday

[Bacde]

Also, Bacde, look at the context of the post before you throw shit at it. You might find that your point suddenly falls apart.

the context of how the post was lazy and I had to open like 4 tabs and switch between them to even have your case be somewhat coherent?

I'll throw shit at whatever I want, I would have rather you just write 2-3 sentences about why I should vote for who you are voting for; instead you referred me to a previous post of yours (not even link me mind you, just telling me to ISO you), which didn't even have links to the posts that you found questionable!

I'm cool w/ lynching T S O or CES at this point tbh

[Bacde]

Bacde calling anything anyone else does lazy is the funniest thing ever.

Also, I'm not female.

how am I being lazy?

[Bacde]

maybe mafia isn't the game for you then.

hey man don't say that to an '05

[Bacde]

^pretty good post

[Bacde]

I dunno why you quoted his ISO though

[Bacde]

maybe mafia isn't the game for you then.

I make up for my lack of quantity with quality tho'.

P-edit: being detached is more of a scum tell for newbies as it requires bad scum play whereas bad town play doesn't really explain it. I'm obviously not sheeping Bacde;

no one sheeps Bacde

. If you want to talk to me about being a 2005er, do you think I have trouble faking scumhunting as scum?

fuck you too

you'd be surprised

I think you're experienced enough to insert little jabs like that so I will go "oh wow little jabs he

must

be town"

[Bacde]

scum like to read me as town since I'm highly susceptible to AtE's

There's like a 0% chance of both CES and T S O flipping town

are they both scum? possibly

esp. with that "elaborate bussing" comment

[Bacde]

IFM NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Bacde]

Eh, CES reads town to me, and this wagon feels pretty bad. TSO voting because CES has a scummie and therefore must play better than this as town is horrible logic, and Feg agreeing with his point is equally bad. TSO also calling CES voting for a counterwagon scummy before immediately voting for a counterwagon is funny, if nothing else. Feg's 305 is fence-sitty as hell, and his change of heart is super fabricated looking.

It would be nice if CES's defense wasn't so half-assed so we could go back to better wagons.

Zhero = scum if CES = town

Zhero = town if CES = scum

this is my assertion based on this post

[Bacde]

actually if CES is scum Zhero could be town or scum but that last post screams "I want town cred"

[Bacde]

You're not bothered by the fact that the threeway tie got broken by TSO and Fegelein voting for me? That's scum suspect #1 and #2.

RIP knowing that if you are town, we've caught zhero

[Bacde]

it's exactly the sort of post you make when a mislynch is about to go through and you don't want to get your hands dirty.

Not wanting to get my hands dirty would be lurking through the lynch. We're a day and a half away, why would I interject?

Why does post 330 sound so much like you know CES is town?

why did your post feel like you were trying to say

"I disagree with this lynch but whatever!"

instead of trying to say

"GUYS GET OFF CES SERIOUSLY I HAVE A WAY BETTER SCUMSPECT HERE VOTE THIS OTHER DUDE"

[Bacde]

You're not bothered by the fact that the threeway tie got broken by TSO and Fegelein voting for me? That's scum suspect #1 and #2.

RIP knowing that if you are town, we've caught zhero

I'd rather lynch TSOscum.

you don't think zhero's post looks bad at all?

you should realize that its VERY difficult to tell if you are town or not (I've been looking at a couple of your other games), and Zhero comes in all confident like he knows whats up?

[Bacde]

you should realize that its VERY difficult to tell if you are town or not (I've been looking at a couple of your other games), and Zhero comes in all confident like he knows whats up?

Don't look at CES, look at his crappy, half-assed wagon. Half the votes are "eh, I guess" sheepy crap. He's only L-1 because both the other possible lynches dogpiled him at the last moment, and you don't even blink?

As for alternative targets, the case on TSO is already pretty plain.

dude you were one of the names that I didn't like on the T S O wagon which is why i switched out

the alternative wagons would probably vote this way regardless of alignment tbh

[Bacde]

does CES ever troll in twilight as mafia?











:/

[Bacde]

I agree, HD is acting fishy

but the thing is, as scum he also tends to become the center of attention

so I don't know what hes doing but its a good start

Vote: HD

I'll check through ankamius's ISO later

[Bacde]

if voting HD gets boring I'm down to move to zhero

[Bacde]

just reread the first two pages

DEFINITELY a double-bus going on

VOTE: Zhero

[Bacde]

Votecount 1.12

Cognito Ergo Sum [7]

- roflcopter, Bacde, Human Destroyer, Hoopla, T S O, Fegelein, Horus -

LYNCHED

T S O [4]

- IFM, Cogito Ergo Sum, Zhero, Ankamius

Fegelein [1]

- Palmar

Not Voting [1]

- BeastCharizard

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2013-05-08 13:03:53)

[/i][/area]

Infinity 324 replaces IFM.

actually this VC doesn't support Zhero being scum :/

I mean its possible but unlikely

[Bacde]

I'm asking you to explain any of that

preferably all

pedit- thank you HD I was about to get to that

[Bacde]

Zhero is at L-2

Infinity still hasn't explained his reads or why he isn't voting for fegelein

[Bacde]

Yes, that part I mainly got from Ankiamus, who felt like he was trying to find reasons to vote fegel. He's still A gut town read though, so I'm hesitant to vote him now. Basically, I just read through and took notes and didn't have time to analyze it. Explanations:

Zhero - town: 212 in particular was really anti-opportunistic and anti-OMGUS. He also brought up a good point about the CES wagon and I can see how everything he posts could be written from a town mindset. Also gut.

Horus - fegelein: 82 felt like it was trying to dismiss the Horus wagon as an RVS-ish wagon, and moving on, which everyone kinda went along with

Bacde - palmar (idk how I missed this): Basically 61.

Rofl - Bacde: Gut based on the exchange where Rolf convinced Bacde to vote CES, however only really relevant if it's scum-scum, which it isn't.

Horus - palmar: Normally when two scum are on an equal level of scumminess, they either bus or buddy each other. Horus had his vote on Palmar, but palmar had a town read on Horus, making me feel like one is town.

HD - Horus: second paragraph in 177

Horus - zhero: Similar to Horus/palmar, Horus voted zhero but zhero had a townread on Horus.

Beastcharizard - Horus: Horus gave bc a townread without explanation, which is unusual for what I've seen from Horus so far. It seems like buddying to me. (Also I didn't find that post particularly towny) Here is Horus's post.

On my phone & don't have time, I'll finish later.

if you aren't going to believe your own reads why are you sharing them?

eg why are you not voting fegel? How can you see this connection but not be voting on it?

If you see a connection between animakius and fegel, but are unwilling to vote fegel due to gut townread, why should I believe ANY of the connections you see between players?

[Bacde]

tbh the same question to bacde.

what part of my explanations have been lacking?

w/ context and my posts I feel like my reasoning this game has been fairly transparent

[Bacde]

VOTE: infinity

[Bacde]

And I know SK hunting is a scumtell. I don't care. If I have an opinion, I think it would be anti-town not to voice it. (I don't agree with the tell if you're not actually pushing a lynch)

its that on top of how it doesn't even look like you believe in your reads

you made a lot of connection cases and then your vote isn't even based on that

it feels to me like you are trying to plant seeds of confusion and doubt while simultaneously trying to fit in by voting somewhere that doesn't make sense based on your reads

[Bacde]

ok I guess I didn't notice that

you're looking better now infinity

[Bacde]

yep, I noticed that too

now stop your whining and let me decide what I'm going to do next on my own terms

[Bacde]

I'm game w/ infinity right now

after rereading I also can't really remember why the horus wagon stopped

VOTE: Horus

[Bacde]

A+ point I feel better about this wagon

[Bacde]

Horus wagon has the official Bacde Seal of Approval

we need to lynch here today

[Bacde]

Ugh, generally losing interest in the game. Someone present the case against Horus here.

if you have no interest why do you need a case?

why not just vote?

[Bacde]

^^lol

if you don't think that's town then I don't even

[Bacde]

oh hey H_D is still in this game whats up dude

[Bacde]

Bacde, who is horus's scumpartner?

i dunno lol ¯\(°_o)/¯

probably we will figure it out though, its not worth it to really look hard until after we get a flip

[Bacde]

oh hey H_D is still in this game whats up dude

Hi Bacde!

TSO is still scum.

Anything new with you?

yeah I'm voting horus now its pretty nice you should try it out

[Bacde]

the goal is to look like you were going for a scum lynch instead of a town lynch.

This

But ankiamus was planning to get zhero lynched instead

And make sure TSO doesn't flip

HD does this a lot, and he is right sometimes and wrong sometimes but he is always this stubborn

imo horus is a better vote

I'm not 100% on HD being town either

[Bacde]

^^Hey that post also includes a really shitty reason to townread CES

[Bacde]

hey hey nice to see ya

[Bacde]

you're not absta until you fakeclaim cop with a guilty on me and I have no counter because the only reason I know you are fakeclaiming is my scum knowledge

seriously, that play took balls

[Bacde]

Yea so to summarize the Horus case he's scum because of misrep'ing, ingenuous actions to avoid making up BS and hammering his townread CES.

did he really hammer CES?

lol can we lynch this plz

[Bacde]

Does anyone here think that Horus is likely not-scum, or at least has a reason to think that Horus might possibly be town?

cuz things aren't looking too good for him tbh

[Bacde]

I once read a game where scum hammered an unclaimed cop and got away with it

I think I was town in that game

tbh I would have preferred a claim but what are you gonna do :/

[Bacde]

Is anyone going to claim neighborized?

If so, what did you guys discuss?

[Bacde]

With 10 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. The day will end in 13 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes

its 8 alive and 5 to lynch, right?

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[Bacde]

Yay I feel so proud of myself On my first game at mafiascum, on the first day I replaced in I switched the wagon from town to scum

its a good feeling, right?

watch out cuz you will get addicted (I am not kidding )

[Bacde]

How am I scum exactly?

I would like that question to be answered by both Feg and Infinity.

Personally I believe that either Feg or Infinity are the actual scum. The hammer on Fegs part could be part of the mafias plan to clean Feg and for him to slide into an easy victory. Infinity who has said I was not paired with Horus since he started playing is now saying I am paired with Horus. It just stinks of an opportunity to get me lynched which means that he is not lynched.

vjiwheihkgbuih

This is terrible logic. I agree fegel could be scum because of my alignment tells, but that means he would have

hammered his only scumbuddy D2.

Who do you know that would be bold enough to do that as scum? For that reason, I don't trust my alignment tells and I am instead going with process of elimination/gut to conclude that you are the last scum. (This issue was addressed in my first post of the day look harder please)

tbh there are plenty of players on this website who would be bold enough to do that as scum

I dunno if fegel would though, I don't think he would

[Bacde]

though probably there's only one scum left. so i think that if either beast or tso is a 1-shot vig that shot ank on night one you should claim and be removed from the lynchpile. we are so far ahead that we should start collecting some conftowns.

agree w/ this

hydra slip, this was me

[Bacde]

TSO is town. Read his ISO and tell me that's noob scum.

Scum is in {palmar, Rofl, beast}.

Should we just massclaim? If there's an SK they will just claim vig and the info about whether there's a doc will help us determine if there's a vig or an SK.

If the vig claims, then yes we should massclaim

if not, then probably not, because that would indicate an SK OR that the vig doesn't want to out

[Bacde]

honestly I don't think scum would be ballsy enough to vote for infinity right now

I'm still seeing beast as town, esp. with what hoopla said about beast (she said some good stuff at the beginning of the game that I agree w/)

I think Palmar's reason for joining the beast wagon is bogus, plus he waited til the bandwagon was going strong

VOTE: Palmar

[Bacde]

UNVOTE:

Something's not right here

I am an SK

I am not kill-immune

I targetted Infinity last night (sorry bro!)

Honestly I'd rather town win than mafia as I've been pretty much destroying them

pretty sure roflcopter is lying about something

[Bacde]

yep, this is good

VOTE: roflcopter

[Bacde]

I understand I'm not winning this game but I'd like to at least kill the mafia and feel good about that

[Bacde]

Bacde could be really good at faking different playstyles. Maybe he's just normally different as SK than as scum. I don't think rofl-scum would do this; I think he's town anyway.

I think its two things:

1) I purposely play differently in every game I play

2) Its way easier to scumhunt when you don't know who the scum are

Lol, I totally voted you when you started SK hunting I was afraid afterwards that you might look back and see it but whatever I'm outted now

[Bacde]

Not gonna lie I've been playing this game as though I was town

I thought it was a smart idea at the time but now its biting me in the ass so I want to lynch scum that isn't me lol

so you can get lynched now scum

[Bacde]

What are you about to say fegel?

[Bacde]

I mean I've been helping the town more than anyone else can I appeal to your emotions just to lynch a mafia?

@Fegel Infinity was protected by the JOAT as well, it makes sense you didn't die

[Bacde]

I killed ank and agreed w/ infinity's case on Horus

I'm not trying to be benevolent I'm just serious when I say I've been playing as though I was town

I'm guessing roflcopter risked guessing I was SK after he saw the JOAT track

[Bacde]

Infinity if you vote me vote me cuz I'm the SK; I didn't lie

[Bacde]

Yeah true...why didn't you claim vig bacde?

because idgaf, I was tracked to the kill--I will be lynched this game

I dunno why you think I'm lying--everything fits except for roflcopter

[Bacde]

I'm guessing roflcopter risked guessing I was SK after he saw the JOAT track

But town autowins if they know scum is in {You, Palmar, Rofl} which is what happens when he claims watcher

I'm guessing there is something more to rofl's role that has motivated him to do this

[Bacde]

There's seriously no way that Palmar could have known that I killed ank except w/ a track so

[Bacde]

There's seriously no way that Palmar could have known that I killed ank except w/ a track so

Maybe there's 2 scum PR's. 1-shot tracker/jailkeeper/goon vs. SK vs. BG/odd-night tracker/even-night watcher/VT's seems really maf sided tho. SOMEONE HELP ME WHAT IS GOING ON

JoaT/Tracker/BG/VTs + SK + Maf JK/2goons

[Bacde]

there's a reason roflcopter is trying to make you feel stupid

[Bacde]

I died too

[Bacde]

nah its ok i claimed sk no matter what they shoulda lynched me there