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seems like soft omgus there
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As opposed to what? "If Palmar gives me an explanation" implies there's a chance he won't. If he doesn't then he will probably be lynched. That's ridiculous semantics.In post 98, Zhero wrote:
Both your cases are silly, so there's not really a 'valid explanation', but the way you say 'when' instead of 'if' really feels like you know Palmar's alignment.In post 93, Fegelein wrote:Except I'm voting him when Palmar gives me a valid explanation.
Doubling down on your read of me when called out also feels overdefensive.
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You can only judge a player on his own actions? Not really. If I give you as a townread and I flip scum, we look at you. And I have to say, Horus's wording is hilariously bad in that, it sounds manufactured as fuck and makes him seem like he wants to give the vote and is just waiting for an opportunity.-
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What a stupid post, you just try to reaffirm it by posting it twice. If I'm going to be called scum, at least say why.
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Why?In post 152, Bacde wrote:I could see CES scum, but I'm pretty sure TSO is like definitely scum-
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In post 169, Human Destroyer wrote:See I'm not sure where the fuck he gets this OMGUS thing from and he never explains it even when asked to.
It was bad oversight on my behalf. Bacde said "HD might be scum" and I read it as a soft backlash to a vote or something like that.
I agree with this point actually, Zhero's push here is kinda bad, and if he's scum I don't think TSO would call out his scumbuddy so blatantly on it.In post 111, T S O wrote:
As opposed to what? "If Palmar gives me an explanation" implies there's a chance he won't. If he doesn't then he will probably be lynched. That's ridiculous semantics.In post 98, Zhero wrote:
Both your cases are silly, so there's not really a 'valid explanation', but the way you say 'when' instead of 'if' really feels like you know Palmar's alignment.In post 93, Fegelein wrote:Except I'm voting him when Palmar gives me a valid explanation.
Doubling down on your read of me when called out also feels overdefensive.
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In post 115, T S O wrote:You can only judge a player on his own actions? Not really. If I give you as a townread and I flip scum, we look at you. And I have to say, Horus's wording is hilariously bad in that, it sounds manufactured as fuck and makes him seem like he wants to give the vote and is just waiting for an opportunity.
I'm not sure if this is town genuinely frustrated by the fact that he's being called scum for no discernible reason or scum frustrated that they've been caught for no discernible reason.In post 128, T S O wrote:What a stupid post, you just try to reaffirm it by posting it twice. If I'm going to be called scum, at least say why.
I just do not understand where Bacde's assurance I am scum is coming from, though his insistence on drawing it back to me every time is really beginning to raise my suspicions.
"hd what do you think of TSO?"
after a post which doesn't hammer me as Bacde would like
"hd are you scum with TSO?
He seems to be sure I'm scum from ....nearly nothing at all.
I seriously don't think Zhero is his partner though, at the very least. I could see a TSO/Horus team though? Third could be Palmar or Fegelein at this point.
See aboveIn post 160, T S O wrote:
Why?In post 152, Bacde wrote:I could see CES scum, but I'm pretty sure TSO is like definitely scumBacde gives 0 reasons why these are his reads, and just writes them twice for no reason. How on Earth could that look town?
@Bacde: why, in the above post, was I scum?-
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The naked vote.
Bacde, that seems coincidental and tacked-on. Not town =/= scum. That's a basic definition, and one you know. Not buying that at all.-
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You didn't see me as town, so you said I was scum. Would you not put me as null? It seems tacked on because it's a very handy answer. You couldn't seem to find any scummy posts so you used that response instead.In post 197, Bacde wrote:
what is tacked on and coincidental?In post 196, T S O wrote:The naked vote.
Bacde, that seems coincidental and tacked-on. Not town =/= scum. That's a basic definition, and one you know. Not buying that at all.
I don't even know what you are talking about
Fegelein and IFM, please contribute.
@roflcopter: does it make a difference to you that ces has nakedvoted 3 times this game? eg. it's a thing he does?-
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if you want to be objective, sure. relentless tunnelling is fun.In post 237, Bacde wrote:"hey guys I'm T S O and I'm scum and i'm not gonna post anything in the thread because pretending to be town is tough work"
basically you get the idea
feg/beastcharizard I'm choosing to ignore your useless interaction until later
subtle one there!In post 236, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:Yeah, let's lynch TSO.-
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You're right, I am a newbie. So me being "detached" is acceptable. You joined in 2005. You have Town awards. So why in your ISO is there not one post which is actually scum hunting? After seeing it's between us for the noose your last 3 posts have been tunnelling my vote, when you haven't even made a post about my play, you simply sheeped Bacde and naked voted me. You make one good point at least: my vote has been on Fegelein for too long.
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You know, I was just doing ISO's on random people and I found this. Looking through the game it's very easy to miss, but up until that point HD had not interacted with CES once, or "said stuff earlier". The bit at the end makes it worse - he's never even made a case on CES and to get round that, he says he doesn't want to repeat.In post 256, Human Destroyer wrote:what I like just posted bs
anyway
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sheeping rofland I already said stuff earlier and I don't feel like repeating go away
Also, looking through Hoopla's ISO, he seems to read Horus/Zhero as scum the whole game, I appreciate this is WIFOM, but it's still worth stating.-
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This is pretty bad, as they go. "My vote looks opportunistic?" There were 2 people being lynched, and it was me and CES. I know I'm a Townie and I didn't know the alignment of CES, so it was a 100% chance to lose a Townie for me, as opposed to a lower probability to CES. I don't understand what you would have had me done - kept my vote which had been placed on the RVS and allowed myself to be lynched?In post 392, Zhero wrote:Infinity is probably town, and TSO is still the best vote. His CES vote was pretty opportunistic, and Ank's vote on him at the end of the day looks like a bus to me.
VOTE: TSO
And then there's the good old CES town/Zhero scum CES scum/Zhero town tell. He flipped town, didn't he?
But then voting you would be putting you at L-1 so early, and I'm not a fan of L-1's. I'm going to place a vote after I re-read.-
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In post 415, Fegelein wrote:TSO's really being opportunistic at the moment, stating he'll jump on the largest wagon today, while also jumping on the largest wagon yesterday that wasn't him to save his bacon.
I'll get you a medal for your RVS vote right after I laugh at you for pretending it's actually a valid in-game interaction which constitutes voting.In post 414, Human Destroyer wrote:In post 412, T S O wrote:but up until that point HD had not interacted with CES once, or "said stuff earlier". The bit at the end makes it worse - he's never even made a case on CES and to get round that, he says he doesn't want to repeat.In post 164, Human Destroyer wrote:Sup Bacde
I'm rereading entirely and now I think CES looks kinda bad in his exchange with you
He just gives me that "I'm slapping on reasons to call you scum that don't really exist" vibe
Do you agree?
Would you like to try again, this time with something that makes sense?
Your second point is admittedly valid, but it's all you've got. There were multiple wagons going on around you at that time yet you chose to hop in CES's, for one post where you felt he "was slapping things on?" If I was voting, I'd have a more concrete reason than that.-
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So you vote me, and then blankly unvote and vote Horus, with no reasoningg either time? Come on Palmar, you're better than this.In post 466, Palmar wrote:
sure I'm not going to be very productive anywayIn post 463, Infinity 324 wrote:Palmar, TSO is probtown. Join the horus wagon please.
Horus, do you hold that you've done nothing scummy all game?
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The case was presented already, see above.In post 469, Fegelein wrote:Ugh, generally losing interest in the game. Someone present the case against Horus here.-
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I see Fegelein as a person who's not afraid to put down decisive gambits. I wouldn't put that past him, especially since I'd already stated intent, so it's highly doubtful Horus would have survived.
Funny story. I was a PL in one forum game with him and Fegelein was the BG. Town was being massacred so Fegelein claimed neutral to try to root out some bads, though I didn't know this at the time. The two of us stupidly forgot Mafia was connected, leading me to PM him an excellent Beethoven claim. He then got me lynched in the thread and died the next night.
Point is, he's certainly not afraid to play riskily. If I was him, I'd have hammered too.
I doubt the serial killer would forget to send in a kill. Either we have a 1-shot Vigi or SK got PL'd/Jailkeeper made a nice play. You would assume that with us having an Odd-Night Tracker and Neighbouriser, we still have one or two decent roles (possibly an odd night Vigi?)
Sorry for set-up speculation but yeah.
Also, does anyone else think that when Horus knew he was gonna be lynched, he set up a Beast mislynch by saying Beast was "obv-town?"-
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Hey, this is the scumgame of Beast.
http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... pls/page10
I'm the partner of page 10 who came in and fakeclaimed. Still think my fakeclaim could have worked were it not for my cataclysmic mistake in not giving results. >_>
The guy who was the actual Cop, TIWSS, is possibly the best player I've ever played with in terms of not knowing his alignment. His town meta is the exact same as his Mafia one
Anyway, it went to LyLo and Fegelein (yeah, this current Mafia had 3 or 4 playing in that one) hammered the guy (braveswin) who I, when knowing I'd be lynched, breadcrumbed that he was Town, which when I flipped made him seem like my partner. Fun game.-
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the tone this is wrote in certainly suggests that he's not Vigi.In post 564, Bacde wrote:
If the vig claims, then yes we should massclaimIn post 562, Infinity 324 wrote:TSO is town. Read his ISO and tell me that's noob scum.
Scum is in {palmar, Rofl, beast}.
Should we just massclaim? If there's an SK they will just claim vig and the info about whether there's a doc will help us determine if there's a vig or an SK.
if not, then probably not, because that would indicate an SK OR that the vig doesn't want to out-
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Well, it was just being helpful. I didn't say it was good or bad, I simply gave a link so Infinity could see it faster.In post 593, beastcharizard wrote:The whole giving the link to my awesome scum play when Feg was supposed to do it.-
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If Bacde tried to kill Infi and then it failed, then Infi either had a BG or is BF. He hasn't claimed BF, so he probably had a BG. If he had a BG then rofl is lying and Palmar is town.
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Thanks for helping us but we're playing 50/50 shots here and you're a 100 shot. if pal really is JOAT then he can roleblock rofl and we'll know for certain. IN THE MEANTIME WE GET THE CONF SK.-
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