NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

[Nachomamma8]

The spat they had at the beginning of the game where TUA called ArcAngel scum for "selective scumhunting" in her RVS vote?

Yeah, that. She's town.

Anyway, Arc's play yesterday was really not focused on scumhunting or town play, but rather discrediting a lot of players in the game who were actually looking for scum, mostly those pushing her, and she always seems to disappear at the most opportune times.

I don't like this flip.

[DrippingGoofball]

@Syryana - You should read my posts.

1) HD is not the best lynch because if you are scum he moves to one of the strongest town reads. When you mesh this with the fact that from the TUA reads you are a decent scumpick just in a PoE situation, im not interested in his lynch.

[Voidedmafia]

Votecount 9.06:

Nachomamma - Dripping
Dripping - Rainbowdash, BBmolla, DCL
Arcangel - human
Human - zdenek

Not Voting - arcangel

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch and 4 to no-lynch.

The Deadline is in (expired on 2013-06-06 00:48:03) or by 11:50 PM on June 5th, 2013.

[Human Destroyer]

The spat they had at the beginning of the game where TUA called ArcAngel scum for "selective scumhunting" in her RVS vote?

Yeah, that. She's town.

Anyway, Arc's play yesterday was really not focused on scumhunting or town play, but rather discrediting a lot of players in the game who were actually looking for scum, mostly those pushing her, and she always seems to disappear at the most opportune times.

I don't like this flip.

Huh, I actually forgot about that point.

Hm.

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofball >>> mod-confirmed town
Human destroyer >>> town read, also, RD's comment quoted in my post above on this page.
RachMarie DLCXVI >>> town for wagon analysis
BT zdenek >>> town for wagon analysis
Robocopter87 BBmolla >>> town read

Klick Nachomamma8 >>> Likely scum from wagon analysis and feels like unctuous needling scum.

Otterhorse (hydra of zoraster and Rainbowdash) RainbowDash >>> town read

Arcangel9 >>> I don't get other player's town read and likely scum from wagon analysis

So here's the deal.

Let's lynch Nacho & AA9, I don't care in what order though I'd prefer Nacho first.

If these two flip town, lynch me. If Nacho/AA9 doesn't contain the scum, then whatever scum there is cannot be picked up by my scumdar, it will be my time to go.

[ArcAngel9]

DGB, Is your point is i am scum with NACHO or one of us are the scum???
I don't know how many times i will have to deal this with you ..but can you just stop this nonsense for god sake?
you're not the greatest mafia player, so accept that. You could be wrong, you have been .... so give a benefit of doubt on everything.
you did this with me in an another game, i can assure you i am town again. if you're town.. just stop this..

And just becuz someone gives you some crappy wagon analysis makes them town? What is wrong with you? grow up lady.. your thoughts are stuck in 6th century.. be practical. and STOP this!!!!

[BBmolla]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: HD

[ArcAngel9]

explain molla ?

[Voidedmafia]

DCl has been prodded.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, Is your point is i am scum with NACHO or one of us are the scum???

Only ONE.

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey AA9

If you're not scum, you should vote Nacho, he's IT.

[Zdenek]

Here's why I am concerned about HD:

His early play was incredibly non-aggressive - asks questions and not attacking.
Then attacks TUA (Monday), vanishes Tuesday, comes back Wednesday with a flurry of posts:
Tries to tie Antilles to TUA, keeps pushing TUA, defends Marangal because she's being normal, doesn't lile Rach's comment, TAM is scum, Otterhorse is town, KBW is scum, Antilles is pretty scummy, tries to tie Marangal to KBW, says he likes Titan, light scum read on Serrapaladin.

*with the exception of Serra, he calls scum, scum, and defends town, calls town town and at worst calls town, pretty scummy.

Despite pushing TUA hard before, takes a break to question Klick about his metal overlord scum read.

He says that he won't be happy until MO is lynched, despite the fact that they are sharing scum reads, and looking at it now, his reason at the time didn't seems all that great. He also didn't vote him immediately. I think this is scum exaggerating the strength of an argument against someone, failing to read someone rationally, and deciding to keep bussing for a bit, while what they had to say suggested they should change their vote.

Claims a scum read on Reek, just before DGB replaced in. After that consistently buddies DGB.

The fact that he was attacking MO for voting TUA, but then voted TUA makes literally no sense.

Despite several accurate scum reads on day one, at the start of day two he only pushes TUA.

Pushes the Amished tell against MO, not against DGB (despite thinking reek was scum).

Attacks Jen, doesn't vote her, but complains about the wagon falling apart.

Tries to clear TUA based on a Jennifer scum flip.

[Human Destroyer]

His early play was incredibly non-aggressive - asks questions and not attacking.

...okay? Remind me how this is scummy?

Then attacks TUA (Monday), vanishes Tuesday, comes back Wednesday with a flurry of posts:
Tries to tie Antilles to TUA, keeps pushing TUA, defends Marangal because she's being normal, doesn't lile Rach's comment, TAM is scum, Otterhorse is town, KBW is scum, Antilles is pretty scummy, tries to tie Marangal to KBW, says he likes Titan, light scum read on Serrapaladin.

*with the exception of Serra, he calls scum, scum, and defends town, calls town town and at worst calls town, pretty scummy.

Again, how is this scummy?

Despite pushing TUA hard before, takes a break to question Klick about his metal overlord scum read.

Is this going to be a huge wall post where I just ask "why is this scummy"?
I can do that, y'know, though it'd be fairly boring.

He says that he won't be happy until MO is lynched, despite the fact that they are sharing scum reads, and looking at it now, his reason at the time didn't seems all that great. He also didn't vote him immediately. I think this is scum exaggerating the strength of an argument against someone, failing to read someone rationally, and deciding to keep bussing for a bit, while what they had to say suggested they should change their vote.

Or I could have that magical thing called multiple scumreads.
People seem to be calling that out a lot as if that's super scummy when...it's really not.

Claims a scum read on Reek, just before DGB replaced in. After that consistently buddies DGB.

DGB towntold a lot when she replaced in. Strong townread =/= buddy.

The fact that he was attacking MO for voting TUA, but then voted TUA makes literally no sense.

Hm? Where was this? I agree with you that it makes no sense, probably because I never did it.

Despite several accurate scum reads on day one, at the start of day two he only pushes TUA.

Again, why is this scummy?

Pushes the Amished tell against MO, not against DGB (despite thinking reek was scum).

Amished Tell has a clause that says it doesn't work on females.
Didn't I mention this?

Attacks Jen, doesn't vote her, but complains about the wagon falling apart.

I'm 75-80% sure I voted her, so I don't think this is accurate at all.
I do complain about wagons I'm not on falling apart that I think are on scumbuddies of the people I

am

voting though--maybe this was one of those games? Meh, memory's shot, don't care to look back.

Tries to clear TUA based on a Jennifer scum flip.

Mastin reading 101: If he votes and pushes scum, he isn't scum.
TUA's immediate vote change to tug their vote straight off of Jennifer in the literal 10 seconds after they voted her struck me as dodging a bussing bullet though.
If you'd like to tell me why my scum self then proceeded to bus the two of them in succession, go ahead! I doubt it, though.

[ArcAngel9]

Hey AA9

If you're not scum, you should vote Nacho, he's IT.

If you can show me how he is scum, I will join you with no second thought.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DCL

Coasting scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

@ AA9

One of these guys NEEDS to be scum.

Master Mew - DrippingGoofball

, Nachomamma, BBmolla,

DCL, zdenek,

Rainbowdash (LYNCH!)

Bulbazak - DrippingGoofball,

zdenek

, Arcangel, BBmolla,

DCLXVI

, Nachomamma,

Metal Overlord

(LYNCH!)

In this one, Arc, Molla & Nacho could well be scum.

[Rainbowdash]

@DGB - See that kind of this is why I think you have a decent chance of being scum here. Yeah VCA works fairly well most of the time, but when the one using it is cutting all of these corners and removing half the playerlist from being scum to start its pretty useless since it doesn't really have all the information there anymore.

Also who is really to say scum play into that. Ive made moves as scum just incase town tries to use VCA later in the game it backfires on them.

I feel like I may be going back on my AA read.

Does anypony have a list of those who "townslipped" though? Or do I have to go back and find it all.

[DCLXVI]

prod doding, I have some things to say which will be said later today.

[Nachomamma8]

Busy until tomorrow

[DrippingGoofball]

Nacho you're scum, thanks.

[Rainbowdash]

Out of curiosity, how confident are we, as a whole, that we are right about who the last scum is going to be?

If its mild to high I think we can just put a plan into action and end the squabbling.

[Rainbowdash]

Nacho you're scum, thanks.

No he isn't.

See Klick twilight day one post. Where he expressed a whole lot of distaste that KBW got lynched over TUA between the lynch and the flip. That's probably a bit more forward thinking than Klick-scum would make right there. Yeah I love Klick/kondi and he is one of the most improved players ive ever seen, but im not sure he makes that snap reaction post as scum when scum just got lynched over scum.

Like ive said, im defending Nacho basically 100% off of Klick.

[DrippingGoofball]

1. Reek (hydra of Channeldelibird and Nexus) DrippingGoofball
2. Human destroyer
6. RachMarie DLCXVI
8. BT zdenek
13. Robocopter87 BBmolla
14. Klick Nachomamma8
16. Otterhorse (hydra of zoraster and Rainbowdash) RainbowDash
17. Arcangel9

We're 7 townies, one scum.

My plan is to lynch Nacho & AA9, then me. I think the scum is within these two. If I'm wrong then I give up.

[DrippingGoofball]

And, yeah. Right now, looks like a MO-DGB-Lurker-Jennifer scumteam.

We can get that MO lynch.

He picked three good town reads and Lurker.

If TUA is scum, I want to lynch Lurker next.

Okay @Underachivers

This is what I would like to clearly understand in a follow up post from you please. Even if Mastin is V/LA, I am hoping Nero can still answer for him given your hydra communications. If Mastin hasn't indicated a read on a specific person then indicate that below:

What specific reads are Nero/Mastin both aligned on and what are those reads?
What specific reads do Nero/Mastin disagree on and what are those reads?
What people do neither Nero or Mastin have a read on?
If one of you has a read on someone and the other has no read on that person, who is the person, who has the read (and what is it), and who has no opinion?

^This post will help us should we be wrong about you, so if you're town you should be willing to clearly indicate the above.

This is a really good post.

I iso'd Klick and frankly I don't see anything that makes me shout out "townie!"

[DrippingGoofball]

Where he expressed a whole lot of distaste that KBW got lynched over TUA between the lynch and the flip.

I must have missed this.