Open 528: The Room of DOOM! GAME OVER

[Hiraki]

but not at the moment

[-Kubbs-]

Brian, your vote would be much better served on Redelphic.

I think so too,

but not because you're asking me to.

why do you feel the need to say the bolded part? Are you afraid of being called out on it?

Also, Dessew. I can't get a proper read on it because I swear it has a lightning rod on its head that makes me want to lynch the ever-loving fuck out of it even though I think it's probably town.

Why do you think he's town?

And as for notscience and Brian Skies, I think you are both town, although if Red flips town (unlikely), I might wind up feeling differently. Actually, I'm probably going to feel differently at some point since I'm always second-guessing myself in these games, but as for right now based on this argument you both seem to have the best interest of the town in mind.

I have a real problem with the fact you're saying you're already pretty sure you're going to doubt those townreads in the future. It doesn't feel town motivated.

You don't understand them because I haven't explained them. These are not traditional reads like you see everyone else always making. Before I received my role pm I read through the thread quickly and briefly in point form wrote down the first thing that came to mind. Call it whatever you want notscience but my reads are not "forced" as you say, I didn't even know my alignment at the time. I said to take them with a grain of salt, you should really not be reading into them like you are. I would rather be someone who replaces into a game and actually gives some point of view rather than a lurker who doesn't give a fuck and gets a free pass. When you ask these kind of people questions they don't answer them, they find 52 ways from sunday how to call you scum, it's pointless. Yeah my reads are a little wonky, but It's kinda hard to get reads off a stale bunch of posts that you had no involvement in.

Whether or not it is true that you got your reads before you got your role pm is irrelevant really. It's multiball, so scum can still scumhunt for the other team. I don't really see any reason why you brought that up.

Alright, so with Red, I liked his243. It seemed a bit like a genuinely frustrated town to me. At the moment think with him and notscience, one is scum and one a bad town. And, admittedly, the way notscience jumped the gun on Red being scum might be a scum taking advantage of a player who is inexperienced and gives an easy lynch. Or maybe they are both scum different factions, that's a definite possibility. But, notscience exaggerating how scummy Red, along with the fact that no on currently has their vote on notscience, makes me think that VOTE: notscience might be a good idea for now. If he flips town, though, we are totally lynching Red. And I'm not opposed to a Red lynch either, but at the moment, between Hiraki's ideas on notscience and notscience's pushing so hard, I think notscience at least deserves a vote.

Ewww... You want to lynch either of them, and when they flip town, lynch the other? Eww...

I say that skelda is next scum to die

Next = First actually. Vote with me!



Notscience is town.
I'm having trouble developing a proper read on Hiraki.
I'm not interested in Vieira Assasin(yet). He gets to live until day 2 for now.

Skelda is scum and should get more votes.
JKLM/Redelphic slot is still scummy.


Stubbs.

[notscience]

I'm more interested in Red right now stubbs.

[DoctorPepper]

Mutley ran away..

"Rats, I cant find him. Oh well, time to search for another torture victim

again

"its a-me, Luigi!"

Luigi Del Ray replaces Mutleyddmc
Still searching for a replacement for phokdapolees

[Brian Skies]

why do you feel the need to say the bolded part? Are you afraid of being called out on it?

No, this was directly addressed to notscience. There are no underlying reasons and I couldn't care less how other people view it.

Why do you think he's town?

I said I thought he was probably town but wasn't sure (hence me asking for opinions). All I had on him was a gut-read (admittedly, I wasn't reading the game very thoroughly the first time through because of the way JKLM wrote his posts [headaches and stuff]) and Dessew was increasingly irritating me by asking me the same question over and over. After a re-read though, I realized I was just overreacting. I'm pretty sure I have a post somewhere that implies the last part already.

Notscience is town.

I'm having trouble developing a proper read on Hiraki.

I'm not interested in Vieira Assasin(yet). He gets to live until day 2 for now.

Skelda is scum and should get more votes.

JKLM/Redelphic slot is still scummy.

I'm starting to see the abrasiveness notscience was alluding to. And the attack on Red just seems like something that would come from notscience. So yeah, I have a townlean on notscience.

As for VA, there is nothing alignment indicative and lynching him doesn't give us any information. I'm willing to let him slide for the first day because that's what he wants, but if he keeps it up, I will push a policy lynch on him.

And Red still hasn't done anything to convince me he's not scum. His reactions were terrible and I'm still waiting on an updated reads list. So yeah, I'd rather lynch Red.

[Hiraki]

As for VA, there is nothing alignment indicative and lynching him doesn't give us any information. I'm willing to let him slide for the first day because that's what he wants, but if he keeps it up, I will push a policy lynch on him.

D1 is the best day to do a lurker lynch. D2 might lead to a scum faction victory.

[Brian Skies]

Except VA is the type of player to do lurker actions as either alignment. If you want to lynch the lurker, go for it. I won't stop you, but you won't get my vote.

I still prefer lynches that tell us something even if we're wrong. VA isn't that type of lynch.

[Hiraki]

But you're willing to go for policy on D2 because...?

[Brian Skies]

But you're willing to go for policy on D2 because...?

Because I feel like he might open up more on D2 or D3. If he doesn't, he dies.

[Hiraki]

You're still not getting the point that you're contradicting yourself.

[Brian Skies]

Contradicting how? There are better lynches Day 1. Why do you want to lynch someone that gives us no information? VA likes to lurk regardless of alignment and we can't particularly link anyone to him. And if he flips town, then what?

[Viera Assassin]

He's saying I play better later, Hiraki. Lemme lurk.

[Brian Skies]

More like you actually play.

But think what you want. I won't stop you.

[Dessew]

Sorry, I've been busy lately.

About MS: I thought that he won't stay with his vote, saying "gut" if he can't bring up resons for his vote etc.

ns: I see your point, but it doesn't work here, because there are two scumfactions.

I will comment on other things later.

[Metal Sonic]

Hiraki case

I'm starting from post #6 of his or #122, as the previous posts were catchups/not alignment indicative.

Looking busy is something that scum like to do. To confirm that he's looking busy and not just actually trying something neato, there'd have to be a reason for the RQS (never given) and he would need to answer his own question.

P.S. The RQS had nothing going for it. It's almost always a scum tactic.

This post here has a minor null-weak-scum lean. It goes as though he is posting "theories" and "facts" to "help" newbies, but in the end is actually not contributive. However, this is an isolated incident, so this shall not factor in my case.

The good part comes in his meaty posts

Premise:

Hiraki has been calling out players such as notscience for "pushing", and Red for "being hypocritical". However, I am going to show that Hiraki is just as "pushing", if not more, than notscience. He calls notscience out for saying Red's posts are bullshit; yet Hiraki himself calls

my posts bullshit

. There's more. He contradicts himself when he calls red "you're scum. you don't have to write more."; in his next post bashes notscience for calling Red scum.

In the biggest self-contradiction in the whole of this game:

"This is not a town thought"

is pushing. 20 posts later he chides Dessew for calling me town, saying "This is not a town thought". yeah town thought my ass

Evidence

Doesn't this look like scum panicking "oh shit someone came in and pegged me who the fuck is this guy"

Not really.

Lmfao you aren't even TRYING to engage in a 1v1. I'm perfectly ready to, but that doesn't mean I won't push your lynch hard as fuck. And now, you're misrepping saying I'm not.

And now you're coming up with bullshit reasons.

You're definately scum, I'm debating Hiraki still.

You are dumb town.

then we get stuff like this

A 2 letter first post and then a random vote on the town as fuck hiraki, it's hysterical that you have the gull to call me scum.

You are scum. You don't need to write more.

I love how you scumslipped and now are whining about it

He did not scumslip in any way, form, or fashion.

His townreads were very buddy-like.

And his scumreads were shit.

I'm trying to engage him in a 1v1 and he has yet to vote me or push Yami.

Also known as: I don't like these things so let me complain about them but micmic how badly in context that he's doing and just try to make myself look better :):)

I'm in

complete assurance that your scumtells and towntells are absolute bullshit

so please, be sure to just give me that giant towntell now.

"How could anyone consider this person to be scum"

Is not a townie thought.

This, however, is pushing.

hypocritical to the max

he doesn't stick to his reads, he's flexible.

This is not a town thought.

[Metal Sonic]

Long story short, Hiraki's case here can apply to him as well. I haven't even written my explanation on why "being hypocritical is scummy" or "which scumtells he has displayed in my scum-catching book" yet, all I have just proven is that Hiraki self-contradicts and displays "scummy behaviour" as defined from

his own

"scumtell book". Yeah, no calling my scumtells bullshit this time, I'm using yours.

That's pretty harsh Hiraki. notscience just potentially found us some scum.

notscience has pushed words into Red's mouth all the way to market.

The reason why

Red

Hiraki is scum has absolutely nothing to do with notscience's investigation.

Instead, it lies in the core of three details.

2) Red pulls a completely hypocritical move by calling BlueBonnet out for having a "2 letter first post", fails to introduce why we should care that this happened, and then goes accusatory on the idea that placing a

random

vote on me is bad because he thought I was town.

First off, it's self-explanatory how having a "2 letter first post" is hypocritical. His first post was a few days into the game and his first assessment of the game was two days ago.

Second off, Red fails to say why it's bad to have a two letter first post. This sort of ties in with the first point that he never realized that he was being super hypocritical here but is worth mentioning because stating something and giving nothing to back it up is not a good idea.

Third off,

Red finds something wrong with putting a random vote on someone that he thinks is townie and forgets the definition of townie.

Hiraki calls Notscience out for pushing his thoughts onto others, yet dismisses Metal Sonic's posts as "bullshit" and a player defending him as "not having townie thoughts". By that standard, it just looks like

Red

Hiraki doesn't understand what he just said.

Fourth, and the biggest one, he thought I was town. I don't have a huge problem with Red's read list (excluding the enormous lack of information and content) except for me.

Pushing skeld town. Scumteam or mason? Investing a lot for town which is town. After all the skeld town stuff he votes him lol.

Yet, you never even thought for a second to question whether or not I was town after 180'ing on my Skelda read?

Here's what I'm going to need to even think about changing my read. Full in-depth reviews of why X is town and Y is scum, and they better not contradict what you have already posted.

@4th point, how the hell does thinking that you're town makes him scummy? That makes 0% sense whatsoever.

[Metal Sonic]

VOTE: Hiraki


There. Let's dance.

[Hiraki]

In the biggest self-contradiction in the whole of this game: "This is not a town thought" is pushing.

This is my opinion and you have every right to disagree with it. I'm not pushing anything. I'm saying that "(I think) This is not a town thought." Pushing, on the other hand, would be putting words in someone elses mouth. Those words are from me and are my opinions. There is absolutely no possible way I could be pushing unless I am now bipolar.

hypocritical to the max

Saying the same words in a different situation is not doing the same exact thing. Find where Red said these exact words:

"How could anyone consider this person to be scum"

The point is that Red never phrased it that way. He was just saying that I was one of his town reads, admittedly in an odd way, but he didn't say that I had to be a town read for everyone else. Having a emotional response and then being pushed on it, because emotional responses almost always look bad and can be manipulated by town or scum, is pushing because notscience is performing that said manipulation (i.e. you could twist it into thinking that he meant that he thought that everyone should think I was town which again is just a thought and isn't scummy). He's doing it as town but anyone can still manipulate in order to fulfill their own agenda.

He calls notscience out for saying Red's posts are bullshit; yet Hiraki himself calls my posts bullshit.

No, I called out Notscience for pushing words into Red's mouth. I do think the reasoning that notscience uses is pretty much bullshit though yeah. I never said his posts were bullshit. Meanwhile, you've been delaying this post(s) for a few days now. That's something to question whether or not it'll come. That being said, this is pretty disappointing for a case.

There's more. He contradicts himself when he calls red "you're scum. you don't have to write more."; in his next post bashes notscience for calling Red scum.

What's your point? I can't have a scumread on a person who also has a scumread? Not only is that highly illogical but that's hysterically illogical considering this is a mutli-ball setup and Notscience could be on a different scumfaction that Red. Not only that but Notscience could be bussing Red just to get town credit and making a case that would work under normal circumstances isn't a bad attempt (assuming they're both scum here of course).

Pause for a moment if you will:

The good part comes in his meaty posts

However, all of the posts that you've quoted from me (201, 256, 278, 276) only one of them consists of an actual meaty post.

Not to mention, now that I've done that digging done, I'm going to call you out for your post manipulation. See here kiddies, watch and learn!

Is there any reason why you have blue text in those posts?

Could it be that you separated some of my posts to make your case look stronger to other people? 201 and 256 both come up twice but they skip a few posts before coming back. Is there any reason for this other than post manipulation? My bet's on no.

I haven't even written my explanation on why "being hypocritical is scummy" or "which scumtells he has displayed in my scum-catching book" yet, all I have just proven is that Hiraki self-contradicts and displays "scummy behaviour" as defined from his own "scumtell book".

Oh, don't worry. Not only did I completely disprove you here, as in you found common words through them at the poster board and hoped they made a collage, but get ready for the firing squad.

The proof lies herin:

@4th point, how the hell does thinking that you're town makes him scummy? That makes 0% sense whatsoever.

The quote was to support the claim. I know

now

that you were just looking for petty words to incriminate me and that's without bringing forward my own evidence without the support of this post.

At the end, this wasn't a case and I expect more later because finding some posts like that out of the blue isn't very good. But here's the fun part.

town

Notscience
Brian Skies
Skelda
Me a-duh

not town yet but if they were town it would be really good

Mutley
Kubbs
Vierra??

Scumz

Reledelphic
Hiraki



The rest null


according to math that makes 3 null(6 if you consider the "not town yet" part)

By

this post

you nailed me as scum. Please explain why.

(But Hiraki! He just posted a huge post--)

The precipice of your case lied at the point where I said "This is not a town thought" at post 276.

I want to know why you thought I was scum before that point in time. Taking a post that was meant to inform Yami, and not just help newbies, is taking a post out of context (haha, what a coincidence! How could Metal Sonic do that???) and having one post for a scumtell is absolutely awful.

So, I want more details please. Why did you think I was scum before Post 246, please and thank you. There will be no dancing here. You don't have feet to stand on.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: I didn't really understand how to respond to his remarks on 225, which is before 246 to be fair, so I didn't include them in my big post. But now I understand that Metal Sonic edited my part out.

Metal Sonic: In the future, do

not

edit my posts in a manner that makes it look like I wrote those things. ESPECIALLY, DO NOT edit my post in order to put your words in it, bold or not bold.

I'm OK with commentary in bold. I am NOT OK with what you did. Especially in the third-off part. It was highly inappropriate.

[Metal Sonic]

In the biggest self-contradiction in the whole of this game: "This is not a town thought" is pushing.

This is my opinion and you have every right to disagree with it. I'm not pushing anything. I'm saying that "(I think) This is not a town thought." Pushing, on the other hand, would be putting words in someone elses mouth. Those words are from me and are my opinions. There is absolutely no possible way I could be pushing unless I am now bipolar.

My point was that you called notscience out for the above post, including the words "This is not a townie thought". That was notscience's opinion on what he interpreted red's post to be. Yet, you post the exact same words later? Pardon me, but I find this highly hypocritical considering that apart from notscience's tendency to repeat and miscontrue(as you claim) red's words based on his own

opinion

, you post the exact same abrasive phrases as he.

Saying the same words in a different situation is not doing the same exact thing. Find where Red said these exact words:

"How could anyone consider this person to be scum"

The point is that Red never phrased it that way. He was just saying that I was one of his town reads, admittedly in an odd way, but he didn't say that I had to be a town read for everyone else.

Having a emotional response and then being pushed on it, because emotional responses almost always look bad and can be manipulated by town or scum,

is pushing because notscience is performing that said manipulation (i.e. you could twist it into thinking that he meant that he thought that everyone should think I was town which again is just a thought and isn't scummy). He's doing it as town but anyone can still manipulate in order to fulfill their own agenda.

I agree that Red never phrased it that way. Question is: So what?
Notscience is reiterating what he inteprets Red says, albeit in a unprofessional manner. So what? Does that make him scummy? I don't think so.

@

Having a emotional response and then being pushed on it, because emotional responses almost always look bad and can be manipulated by town or scum,

Oh yeah, so now you dislike notscience taking advantage of Red's emotional response.

A 2 letter first post and then a random vote on the town as fuck hiraki, it's hysterical that you have the gull to call me scum.

You are scum. You don't need to write more.

Notice the emotive language that Red uses. "town as fuck hiraki" "hysterical" "gull to call me scum"
So isn't that an emotional response that you capitalise on as well?

My point is: Red posts quite a fair amount of emotional shit and its unfair of you to call Notscience out based on that.

While I was rereading I noticed this

His townreads were very buddy-like.

And his scumreads were shit.

I'm trying to engage him in a 1v1 and he has yet to vote me or push Yami.

Also known as: I don't like these things so let me complain about them but micmic how badly in context that he's doing and just try to make myself look better :):)

This is the exact example that I should have found.

What you did here is the exact same thing that Notscience does, only in a different fashion. Notscience goes "insert text here", you go Also known as:insert text here.

What I mean is that what Notscience was doing was to input his own intepretation of what Red was saying, and comment on it. If you find that scummy... well, you've done it too.

He calls notscience out for saying Red's posts are bullshit; yet Hiraki himself calls my posts bullshit.

No, I called out Notscience for pushing words into Red's mouth. I do think the reasoning that notscience uses is pretty much bullshit though yeah. I never said his posts were bullshit. Meanwhile, you've been delaying this post(s) for a few days now. That's something to question whether or not it'll come. That being said, this is pretty disappointing for a case.

"Pushing words into Red's mouth" is not valid anymore; in lieu of the nugget I found above.

There's more. He contradicts himself when he calls red "you're scum. you don't have to write more."; in his next post bashes notscience for calling Red scum.

What's your point? I can't have a scumread on a person who also has a scumread? Not only is that highly illogical but that's hysterically illogical considering this is a mutli-ball setup and Notscience could be on a different scumfaction that Red. Not only that but Notscience could be bussing Red just to get town credit and making a case that would work under normal circumstances isn't a bad attempt (assuming they're both scum here of course).

You misintepret. I meant that you can't have a scumread on a person for scumreading your scumread. You bring up the valid point that it is a multiball setup, and that both of them could be scum. However, you didn't state that in the previous posts and I had no way to figure out that that was your intention.

The good part comes in his meaty posts

However, all of the posts that you've quoted from me (201, 256, 278, 276) only one of them consists of an actual meaty post.

I consider those relatively meaty. Especially considering what little has gone on in this game so far.

Moving on...

Is there any reason why you have blue text in those posts?

To highlight the similarities in the blue posts I quoted. I'm sorry for not being clear.

Could it be that you separated some of my posts to make your case look stronger to other people? 201 and 256 both come up twice but they skip a few posts before coming back. Is there any reason for this other than post manipulation? My bet's on no.

It was to allow the masses to see a blatant contradiction next to each other. There is the inevitable fact that Contradiction A and B are many posts apart, and I have to remove Contradiction A from Post Z which contains other contradictions C and E.

Hold on for a second here.

Remember my initial statements for "scumreading" you? The fact that you were "arguing based on semantics"? This is a perfect example: in no way do the above two questions show that I am scum, nor does the line of questioning elicit a specific alignment-indicative tell from me; more of discrediting my case than proving me scum, which should be the goal. Your semantic questioning, with the above two questions being examples, are a scumtell in my book. And you're not going to tell me that my reads are bullshit, because that's ad hominem and is not a valid argument.

@4th point, how the hell does thinking that you're town makes him scummy? That makes 0% sense whatsoever.

The quote was to support the claim. I know

now

that you were just looking for petty words to incriminate me and that's without bringing forward my own evidence without the support of this post.

That was a question. Answer my question. Instead of posting snarky bullshit.

I want to know why you thought I was scum before that point in time. Taking a post that was meant to inform Yami, and not just help newbies, is taking a post out of context (haha, what a coincidence! How could Metal Sonic do that???) and having one post for a scumtell is absolutely awful.

So, I want more details please. Why did you think I was scum before Post 246, please and thank you. There will be no dancing here. You don't have feet to stand on.

Brian Skies and Skelda give out town vibes; they are actively questioning the game and pondering over others' reads.

The "scumread" on you is very weak, on second thought I may consider even putting you in the town pile. Not many events have happened yet in this game so "compared to the rest" your posts exhibit a few minor scumtells:

1. Pushing cases via semantics

2."notscience has pushed words into Red's mouth all the way to market."

minor hyperbole and misrep

I have explained red vs notscience

all reads at this point can change at any time- the information that will pour in will outweigh what I have seen in this thread as of yet.




on further inspection, you can go into the

"not town yet but if they were town it would be really good" pile.

what ever i'll refresh the reads list at around like... page 17 or so?

[Metal Sonic]

EWBOP: I didn't really understand how to respond to his remarks on 225, which is before 246 to be fair, so I didn't include them in my big post. But now I understand that Metal Sonic edited my part out.

Metal Sonic: In the future, do

not

edit my posts in a manner that makes it look like I wrote those things. ESPECIALLY, DO NOT edit my post in order to put your words in it, bold or not bold.

I'm OK with commentary in bold. I am NOT OK with what you did. Especially in the third-off part. It was highly inappropriate.

Uh yeah take a chill pill this is a game

For the purposes of this game, noted.

[Hiraki]

My point was that you called notscience out for the above post, including the words "This is not a townie thought". That was notscience's opinion on what he interpreted red's post to be. Yet, you post the exact same words later? Pardon me, but I find this highly hypocritical considering that apart from notscience's tendency to repeat and miscontrue(as you claim) red's words based on his own opinion, you post the exact same abrasive phrases as he.

But your point is an incorrect view of the situation. That's what I was getting at.

Just because we said the same words doesn't mean that we have the same meaning.

I agree that Red never phrased it that way. Question is: So what?

So what? That's the basis of Notscience's point there. He thinks that and I think this? How could you just play it off as a so what? I was addressing that he was wrong and furthermore it was pushing words into his mouth. That sole claim wasn't the only point I had you know. I didn't just say "notscience did one bad thing and therefore he's done it waaaaayyyy too many times." He did it almost every time in that post(s) except for maybe twice, if my memory serves me correctly.

So isn't that an emotional response that you capitalise on as well?

No? I'm looking at the whole statement while Notscience focused on the "town as fuck" part. When I examined that particular phrase further on, I didn't talk about how he said it. Notscience did talk about that. What I said was a completely different subject matter (how/why could he think I was town?) I absolutely did not take an emotional role into my assessment and if you feel that I did I would expect you to quote where I did it and explain how I did it. Again, you're doing the same thing here. Throwing words at a poster and hoping they'll form a collage. The problem is that it's not working.

What I mean is that what Notscience was doing was to input his own intepretation of what Red was saying, and comment on it. If you find that scummy... well, you've done it too.

For like the fifth time now, I do not think the thought was scummy. People can think and can write down their thoughts in the thread, that's fine. But when the thought manipulates the thought of another person, i.e. what Notscience did, then that thought can be considered scummy. You're trying to make it so that I'm saying that all thoughts are scummy which is absolutely not the case.

"Pushing words into Red's mouth" is not valid anymore; in lieu of the nugget I found above.

I'm glad you're able to explain it but it's so obvious that you don't need to?

However, you didn't state that in the previous posts and I had no way to figure out that that was your intention.

Huh? I wasn't even thinking of factions right now. I'm just looking at reads. I would be OK with finding someone who I think is scum that also thinks my other scumread is scum. Haven't you heard of bussing? I mean, really?

I consider those relatively meaty.

I'm glad relatively was used in this scenario.

To highlight the similarities in the blue posts I quoted. I'm sorry for not being clear.

Right, OK. Totally believing this.

Remember my initial statements for "scumreading" you? The fact that you were "arguing based on semantics"?

You do realize that in order to find scum you absolutely need to understand the terminology of other players in order to realize that they're slipping rather than I(you) think you're slipping because it doesn't work with my standards of communication that you could make that statement and be town?

This is a perfect example: in no way do the above two questions show that I am scum, nor does the line of questioning elicit a specific alignment-indicative tell from me; more of discrediting my case than proving me scum, which should be the goal.

I don't think you're scum. You're leaning dumb town at this point. That being said, I'm not here to figure out your alignment yet. I'm satisfied with two scumreads. If I find something that piques my interest, I'll bring it up. So far, I have been discrediting your in case in my viewpoint. Since you are stubborn, and I know this now and it's regardless from alignment, I know you will never cease trying to find me as scum. So eventually I'll just "give-up." Not yet though.

And you're not going to tell me that my reads are bullshit, because that's ad hominem and is not a valid argument.

Woah, huh? Are you planning out what you think I'm going to say? Not only is that pretty dumb but that's actually scummy.

That was a question. Answer my question. Instead of posting snarky bullshit.

No, that's seriously it. The quote right after that should explain it. You just didn't read the entire post and now it's completely clear. Sorry to embarrass you but it's the truth.

And, in response to Post 251, what did I say?

1. Pushing cases via semantics

It'd be great if you could emphasize what points you're talking about because then I'd be able to respond to them, as I've been trying to do.

Oh right, yeah. I did say this but I

totally

regret it now because I know you're just picking and choosing posts to take out-of-context.

Uh yeah take a chill pill this is a game

For the purposes of this game, noted.

And

now

you're on my shitlist. Fuck off.

[Metal Sonic]

But your point is an incorrect view of the situation. That's what I was getting at.

Just because we said the same words doesn't mean that we have the same meaning.

Fine.

I agree that Red never phrased it that way. Question is: So what?

So what? That's the basis of Notscience's point there. He thinks that and I think this? How could you just play it off as a so what? I was addressing that he was wrong and furthermore it was pushing words into his mouth. That sole claim wasn't the only point I had you know. I didn't just say "notscience did one bad thing and therefore he's done it waaaaayyyy too many times." He did it almost every time in that post(s) except for maybe twice, if my memory serves me correctly.

The basis of his point is that he thinks that "Red is saying this and I find it scummy."

Yet, you capitalise that "Red never phrased it like this therefore Notscience is scummy"

So, your point is that Notscience is wrong and it is miscontruing Red's words; did I understand you correctly?

Question is, how is Notscience being wrong; and phrasing Red differently from what it originally was, scummy?

Town can be wrong. Town can manipulate phrases.

Thank goodness you have him in the dumb town pile.

No? I'm looking at the whole statement while Notscience focused on the "town as fuck" part. When I examined that particular phrase further on, I didn't talk about how he said it. Notscience did talk about that. What I said was a completely different subject matter (how/why could he think I was town?) I absolutely did not take an emotional role into my assessment and if you feel that I did I would expect you to quote where I did it and explain how I did it. Again, you're doing the same thing here. Throwing words at a poster and hoping they'll form a collage. The problem is that it's not working.

I don't agree with your opinion that notscience talking about emotional aspects is wrong, but fair enough.

I want you to explain this:

A 2 letter first post and then a random vote on the town as fuck hiraki, it's hysterical that you have the gull to call me scum.

You are scum. You don't need to write more.

9 words. Describing an obviously emotional statement; and concluding he is scum. Explain this for me.

For like the fifth time now, I do not think the thought was scummy. People can think and can write down their thoughts in the thread, that's fine. But when the thought manipulates the thought of another person, i.e. what Notscience did, then that thought can be considered scummy.

Thanks for making this clear.

However, I don't think notscience's manipulation of Red's "thoughts" was malicious:- as in having scum intention. More of miscontrived. But I can see where your conflict is coming from now.

Huh? I wasn't even thinking of factions right now. I'm just looking at reads. I would be OK with finding someone who I think is scum that also thinks my other scumread is scum. Haven't you heard of bussing? I mean, really?

That's just a hypothetical situation just to cover up what might have been the worse case scenario, it is clear from your posts that those weren't your thoughts at that time. Next, I find it highly unlikely that Red and Notsciences, if scum, are on the same team together.

But didn't you have him in your "Dumb town" list?

You do realize that in order to find scum you absolutely need to understand the terminology of other players in order to realize that they're slipping rather than I(you) think you're slipping because it doesn't work with my standards of communication that you could make that statement and be town?

It's a common fact that some scums like hiding behind technical detail. My intepretation is that scum tend to discredit a case by harping on the semantic aspects of it instead of rebutting the main points. You showed behaviour of this in quite a few of your previous posts, therefore it pinged.

I don't think you're scum. You're leaning dumb town at this point. That being said, I'm not here to figure out your alignment yet. I'm satisfied with two scumreads. If I find something that piques my interest, I'll bring it up. So far, I have been discrediting your in case in my viewpoint. Since you are stubborn, and I know this now and it's regardless from alignment, I know you will never cease trying to find me as scum. So eventually I'll just "give-up." Not yet though.

Well I'm here to figure out your alignment. I don't have enough scumreads.

Just to clarify again, who are your two scumreads? Red and who?

Notscience is in your "dumb town pile", and I believe VA is a policy lynch on your part.

Also, you hit it spot on on the fact that I am stubborn. I'd be satisfied at this point, but there are still a few more things I need to clarify.

Woah, huh? Are you planning out what you think I'm going to say? Not only is that pretty dumb but that's actually scummy.

No. I meant if you called my scumreads "bullshit" once more I would have put you on my shit list.

You didn't.

No, that's seriously it. The quote right after that should explain it. You just didn't read the entire post and now it's completely clear. Sorry to embarrass you but it's the truth.

It would've been alot clearer if you explained why he would buddy you of all people, and is scum. Objectively speaking, that quote could have been done by an extremely idiotic town.

And

now

you're on my shitlist. Fuck off.

You're too abrasive.

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