the fact that you keep revolving this aroundzMuffinMan wrote:point to one thing in either VA's or pdmedic's ISO that you think could be construed as a PR crumb or would lead me or my predecessor to think, "you know what would be a good idea? killing useless lynchbait because he's a threat to my wincon!"
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youand whatyouwould do is uber scummy. no one is saying anything aboutyouand what choiceyouwould make. we're discussing possibilities. you are eliminating a possibility based on what you would do as scum, which is self centered scummy thinking, ignorant problem solving, or incompetent play at best.town 39-32
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you don't know what scummy means if you think that's scummyspiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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by your logic, talking about how you thought slandaar was a doc and how the kill makes sense based on that, and talking about how it's so very unlikely that a recruit didn't happen (either accidentally or on purpose) and then hunting for scum on that basis, isn't at all ignorant, scummy thinking, no?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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like you've already practically closed off your mind to the possibility that VA wasn't recruited to the point that you're hunting for scum on the basis that VA was recruited (as evidenced by your abominable attack on me).
you have no ground to stand on if your argument is that being close-minded is scummy. you lost all credit before you started.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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actually think about what you've said today.
you've basically ruled out the possibility that scum missed a kill (whether intentionally or unintentionally) and given the amount of inactive players in this game so far,it's not that unlikely that scum could have missed a kill unintentionally. then you ruled out the possibility that two kills were protected against (because yeah, magic logic makes this less likely than a recruit). and then you started hunting scum based on VA interactions (like how i supposedly "danced" around the VA wagon).
you know what else you did today? suggested that kid A was trying to set up lynches after bussing his buddy. hey, wanna know what you did yesterday? you tried to set up a lynch on kid A as "number three" while voting VA.
wanna know what'sactuallyself-centred? suggesting we lynch someone to see if you're right...
you know what's borderline retarded logic? suggesting kid A votes himself because him flipping town would somehow "bolster" his thinking (because yeah, being town totally means a person is correct, right?) is that scummy thinking or just dumb town thinking, dj? you're the expert on scumminess, you tell me.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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the funnier thing about this conversation is you talking about how the way i interacted with VA was scummy, me saying nah that makes no sense because that's not how i'd play as scum, and you thinking it's scummy for me to point this out.
yeah, i'm happy just ignoring you until this game ends, actually.spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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I think muffin is town, too. just dumb.
most mods randomize actions if a missed kill is due to inactivity. assuming scum is playing poorly is a bad use of ytime.zMuffinMan wrote:actually think about what you've said today.
you've basically ruled out the possibility that scum missed a kill (whether intentionally or unintentionally)
because two successful doc protects in a row is less likely imo, than one success from each side of the ball.muffin wrote:then you ruled out the possibility that two kills were protected against (because yeah, magic logic makes this less likely than a recruit).
I've been hunting scum from all angles, thank you. i'm not going to ignore the possibility that VA was recruited.muffin wrote: and then you started hunting scum based on VA interactions (like how i supposedly "danced" around the VA wagon).
cause the evidence suggested it. in fact, YOU FUCKING AGREED WITH IT.muffin wrote:you know what else you did today? suggested that kid A was trying to set up lynches after bussing his buddy. hey, wanna know what you did yesterday? you tried to set up a lynch on kid A as "number three" while voting VA.
um, you know this is mafiascum, right? lynching people to see if you're right is kind of how you play the game.muffin wrote:wanna know what'sactuallyself-centred? suggesting we lynch someone to see if you're right...
again, you missed the point entirely by either not reading my post or deliberately ignoring my post. the point was not to get kidA to self vote, it was to show his self preservation is on high alert. but go on being smart.muffin wrote:you know what's borderline retarded logic? suggesting kid A votes himself because him flipping town would somehow "bolster" his thinking (because yeah, being town totally means a person is correct, right?) is that scummy thinking or just dumb town thinking, dj? you're the expert on scumminess, you tell me.town 39-32
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Thanks for your thoughts.However:In post 1044, zMuffinMan wrote:@mnem,
well it was a few posts, but it was more me rereading and thinking about things. i was going over ISOs.
the thing i did like about your ISO and the main reason i was giving you credit for being town, is that i wasn't sure whether you as scum would choose to attack slandaar in the way you did. because slandaar just seems like an odd choice of target to attack if you're scum. but then i thought about it a little more and your attack on slandaar makes absolutely no sense given your supposed reads at the time. D1 you had him as a very strong town read (the first listed among your two strongest town reads) and with little to no explanation you suddenly were "most unsure" about him of all the players and decided to ISO him first when doing ISOs (i'm not even sure if you did any other ISOs). nothing happened between D1 and D2 that should have changed your read on slandaar that drastically, and if anything your town read on him should have been strengthened after lucky's flip.
another thing i didn't like is your read progression on kid A. even just today you go from thinking his posts look genuine and not being able to see him as scum, to thinking he's null and worth a vote. why would you even vote a null read whose posts you think are "genuine"? why is someone whose posts you think are genuine even null?
there's also minor things here and there i didn't like. for example, the rolefishing stuff (docs + "there aren't any masons in this game, are there...?") and i agree with peabody's point about your initial post today - it did look like a variant of congratulating the doc.
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i'm gonna be straight up with you. even if i were scum and ididthink saki was a traitor, and even if ididthink recruiting a traitor was a worthwhile use of a NK (hint: i don't), i cannot think of a scenario where i would willingly shoot saki in an attempt to recruit him. that wasn't me misunderstanding anything, that was me thinking a saki recruit is ludicrous.
1. As for slandaar, I had re-read his ISO because I had felt like it, just because he had the most posts (and I think the most content), and while I did, I became unsure of his townieness. Then I decided to do a PBP analysis to finalize my thoughts on him.
2.The thing is, Kid A is the only one that had more than one vote (at that time), and one of the two wagons that town was willing to lynch (me being the other one, which I wouldn't want dead for obvious reasons). Because of that, my vote on Kid A
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DJ has a point here. There are multiple variations of the traitor (wiki it if you don't believe me) Even some where the traitor is in from the beginning.In post 1047, zMuffinMan wrote:
then you're an idiot.dj wrote:I have said many times now that the recruitment may very well not have been deliberate.-
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why did you think Slandaar was town D1?
also i remember you claiming that you ISO'd him first because you were most unsure about him, so what exactly was it that made you unsure about him?
your response to the kid A stuff didn't really answer any of the questions i asked there. why would you even vote a null read whose posts you think are "genuine" - as in, there's plenty of time in the day phase, why not push someone you actually think is scum? why is someone whose posts you think are genuine even null?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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In post 375, mnemonicdevice wrote:Slandaar: You were the person that I was the most unsure about. Well, except for the inactives, but what posts was I going to base that on?spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh spiffeh-
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granted this reads list is from D1 and it might have changed, but you were most unsure about slandaar?In post 254, mnemonicdevice wrote:TOWN
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mnemonicdevice has been lynched! He was aMafia Goon!
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You don't say.In post 1070, RadiantCowbells wrote:Mafia topic was unused.-
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCdjvTTnzDUIn post 1072, Desperado wrote:
You don't say.In post 1070, RadiantCowbells wrote:Mafia topic was unused.-
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