Consulmaker - Carthage wins!

[AndrewS]

Timmy: Explain?

Primate: Explain?

(In reference to your votes)

"Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse" Vote Count

Cephrir - 2(AndrewS, Battle Mage)
Rand Althor - 1(

Primate

)
Battle Mage - 1(Cephrir)
livingod - 1(Panzerjager)
TheEyeOfMordor - 1(ubertimmy)

[PJ.]

Thank you Spoon.

[Battle Mage]

hmm... ive never played a game with Masterchief-only ever replaced him on multiple occassions.

BM, it takes a lot to be the "easiest Day 1 lynch on the entire site". I don't think you're there yet, you have the likes of Max and Masterchief to live up to, not even counting those who came before them.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Lucky you.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

YARR!

[Zindaras]

Sorry, I was gone for the weekend.

Primey, I don't think Randy's the play. I've played a couple of games with him before (he's Logain on WotC), and he tends to play like this. Personally, I'm more interested in Cephirir and Battle Mage at the moment.

Cessy, could you also state who is not voting anyone at all in your vote counts?

[Toaster Strudel]

vote: Cephrir

- reason: pressure.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm looking into replacing Cheesefan and mole.

Zindaras: For brevity's sake, I'm going to have to say no.

[Zindaras]

It's one line, two, tops. That's worth my desire for knowing who's not voting.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If you find it sufficiently important, it is fairly easy to look up. I do not.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

TheJiveMachine replaces Cheesefan.

[TheJiveMachine]

Hey everyone. Reading thru, will post tonight.

[Twito]

Ya

rr!

I'll be back.
Maybe I'm not contributing but I'll SOOOOON.
Cookies?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

HackerHuck replaces mole.

[HackerHuck]

I'm in and should have my readthrough completed this evening.

[Battle Mage]

welcome HH!

[Mastermind of Sin]

yay for replacements.

[Rand Althor]

vote Rand al Thor

Please explain this.

[HackerHuck]

This may take me a bit more time to put together someting coherent. The game mechanics have made it a bit difficult for me to analyse after the first read. It's also really late at night and I probably won't be able to post tomorrow. I'm going to free flow, so I apologise in advance for my rambling.


A couple of comments I wanted to get out there.

I think the tribune power is quite overrated at this point in the game. This early, both the tribune and the consuls are not likely to stray far from the consensus of the town without calling much suspicion on themselves. Ergo the scum would not find it necessary or even desirable to have scum elected as tribunes.

I would really appreciate it if people were very clear when voting for tribune. It is a bit hard to remember what phase we were in at the time when doing a reread and I certainly don't want to mix up those two votes.

Zindaras - where did you get your basis for the statistical analysis. I haven't seen that we know there are 5 scum in the game. Was that just a possible secenario? Andrew at least noted that he was making estimates with his statistics.

I don't like the fact that Panzerjäger claimed, but I'm pretty certain that he's town because of it. I can't imagine that scum would do such a strange thing unless they have some kind of special power that appears in day three or something. Whoa! I really don't like how he claimed Cato after being told not to disclose more.

I don't get the tribune vote for battle mage by N9V. Pity vote?

Primate takes a bit of a mentoring role with Panzerjäger. I don't disagree, but I wanted to note it.

Don't like AndrewS pseudo-claim of nameless power roll and minor follow-on fishing. Could be breadcrumbing. The list of FOSes is also quite useless. At that point in the game, there are few if any real reasons to vote someone else.

MoS makes a very good point. Early in the game, scum are very unlikely to go against the town's wishes in vetoing someone, so it's certainly better to pick an experienced player. That way if they're scum, they're more likely to act in favor of the town than someone who is inexperienced but town.

In regards to Raffles' assertion that we should be taking more time to determine the tribune, I feel that to be false. We have a finite amount of time to find scum - four weeks, so more discussion to that point is better. Analysing the "pro-town votes" will be more usefull later in the games when the tribune's role has more power.

Battle Mage makes the same useless FOSes as Andrew did earlier. I've lost count, but I think that BM has determined that at least half of the players in this game are scum.

MoS - I nominated you, then Mole - but it turns out that Mole isn't nearly as active as he was back when I was here the first time.

Mole had only posted once all game and that was just a vote.

Ubertimmy is a little suspicious for his day1 playstyle - or rather the fact he didn't disclose it up front.

At the moment, I'm feeling the least good about Livingod. He's contributed absolutely nothing at this point, but he's popped up enough to avoid prods and any real attention. Timmy and Twito seem to have excuses for their lack of activity which is more than I can say about Livingod. Out of the active players, I'm most suspicious of AndrewS.

consuls - is it worthwhile for me to

vote: Livingod

or does it even matter to you that I actually place one?
That's WIFOM - ut est vinum pro mihi

[TheJiveMachine]

First off, HH - excellent player analysis.

Second, apart from overdefensiveness at an obvious joke, I don't see the reason for all the calling for BM's blood. It could just be a way of backing a new player into a corner he can't fight his way out of. Although I find N9V's vote to tribune-ize him even more suspicious - nearly anyone would be a better option. (no offense BM.)

Third - Panzer's claim. I'm inclined to believe it, it's just I'm not sure if it's a role scum couldn't have. I think if he's town, throwing out that much info about his role at this stage in the game was a mistake.

I'm getting bad vibes from AndrewS, saying he has a role and that he suspects Panzer just because only one of them has a name to claim.

I'm not voting since I find it pointless with this setup. If the consuls want my opinions, they can read my posts.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras - where did you get your basis for the statistical analysis. I haven't seen that we know there are 5 scum in the game. Was that just a possible secenario? Andrew at least noted that he was making estimates with his statistics.

25% is Mafia. That's the rule of thumb I use. Looking at the flavour, the game seems fairly straightforward, so I don't expect double Mafia groups. SK is possible, of course.

[AndrewS]

Since everyone seems to be so concerned about my very limtied claim, I'll explain. When Panzer claimed Cato, I was a bit surprised because my role doesn't include the name of the person. I believed this to be true with everyone at the time. Furthermore, it looked more like scum trying to validify a false claim because Cato was, if I recall, fighting during the war and not politicking. You can see that in the discussion. It was not my intent to fish, nor was it me trying to crumb for a role - I was simply trying to ascertain whether Panzer's claim was true or not. Also, which useless FOSes were you referring to? If it is the suggestion of 3 names once we entered the execution stage, I did that to start discussion. At the time, we weren't really getting anywhere - so I posted a few quick names off the top of my head.



As for today's execution, I still think that one of the lurkers who have been posting enough not to be replaced is probably our play. Timmy and Livingod are the prime examples of these. Timmy stands out more to me, though.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Yea, I agree with HH. livingod needs to contribute or hang.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

Why couldn't there be 2 Mafias?
Although I doubt it, I think there still is a chance for that to occur.

[AndrewS]

Flavor prohibits it? Unless we're fighting against Hannibal AND the Visigoths, but that's a bit later..