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OH FUCK YOU'RE KINAC? i DELETED YOU.

Add me again: reckonerX#1716

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goddamn I've had the worst luck with arenas recently

My last two selections of classes have been Warlock/Warrior/Hunter and Warlock/Hunter/Druid.

In my past four runs I've seen zero epics or legendaries

I did have a nice little 5-3 run a couple days ago with a Paladin deck... seriously, Paladins are borked in arena

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Also cracked Tirion Fordring in a prize pack

That means I've got 2x Wild Pyromancer, 2x Equality, 1x Tyrion Fordring. I guess I should build some kinda Paladin control-ish deck?

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Whats wrong with warlock? Or druid?

Warlock power is useless without a deck built to complement it. Druid is okay but the ability is weak and it has ramp isn't great in Arena. I'd prefer rogue, mage, paladin, or priest. Pally and Rogue are nuts.

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Hunter/Warlock/Warrior again. ffs

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I'd say that Paladin, Mage, Rogue, and Shaman are all very fucking good and pretty close to one another when it comes to Arena (maybe Shaman a bit less so but still close-ish).

Warlock/Hunter/Warrior are just shitty. Card choices suck for Arena, worthless/less useful hero powers. Priest CAN be very strong if you get the right card pool but it's hard to do.

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Rogues are busted as shit because their hero ability means you'll always be able to attack. Having your own hero be able to smash into an enemy for damage is more often than not the difference between board advantage and losing the game.

Warlock ability is terribly costed compared to the other card draw in the game:

Warlock: 2 mana & 2 life = 1 card
Arcane Intellect: 3 mana = 2 cards
Battle Rage: 2 mana = 1+ card
Flare: 1 mana = 1 card
Mortal Coil: 1 mana = 1 card + 1 damage

So the hero ability is pretty shitty in comparison with literally any other card draw ability in the game. Gnomish Inventor & Novice Engineer give you a minion AND a card. Plenty of other cards (Cult Master, Acolyte of Pain, Gadgetgazan Auctioneer) let you replace cards you lose, and none of them involve having to lose 2HP to do it.

In constructed play, Warlock ends up working because it can build board control with minions then use the hero power when you're safe to build card advantage, waiting for removal/wipes. In arena play, you can't guarantee you'll get enough things to protect you enough to warrant the ability being useful. At least IMO -- aggro tends to win in Arena, and Warlock aggro isn't really a thing.

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That's fair. It's still terribly overcosted IMO

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Eh? Aggro in this context doesn't mean fast small dudes, it means constantly PLAYING attacking threats to whittle away their health bar. If you're building an aggro deck with no fatties for late game then you're doing it wrong.

I think Paladin/Mage/Rogue are all tier 1.

Druid/Shaman tier 2.

Priest is okayish tier 2.5

Shit tier is Hunter/Warrior/Warlock.

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I could see an argument for a swap between Shaman/Rogue actually.

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Druid

dear god why druid

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5-0 right now with this rogue deck in Arena:

Backstab x2
Deadly Poison x3
Betrayal
Blade Flurry
Acidic Swamp Ooze
Amani Berserker
Dire Wolf Alpha
Faerie Dragon
Headcrack
Earthen Ring Farseer
Harvest Golem x3
Raging Worgen
Scarlet Crusader
SI:7 Agent x2
Cult Master
Dark Iron Dwarf x2
Assassinate x2
Gadgetzan Auctioneer
Spiteful Smith x2
Venture Co. Mercenary
Sprint

My god. This deck is fucking BONKERS

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Yeah I finished with 8 wins. Wound up playing 3 paladin decks back to back and just got rolled.

Headcrack was a surprising all-star. With the curve so low, I could combo it off every turn for a recurring two damage. It literally was the only reason I won a couple of really close games.

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i want this deck. even if it sucks

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Yeah we know where the deck is

if a card is good there's no reason not to have two in your deck

what level is your mage?

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okay so you have all the basic mage cards, then

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- Don't play Mirror Image, it's bad.
- Absolutely play two Arcane Missiles if you only have basic cards, it's good.
- Absolutely play two Frostbolts, they're great. 2 mana for 3 damage that has a useful secondary effect against fatties/'late game.
- Frostwolf Grunt, Ironfur Grizzly, Silverback Patriarch, Stormwind Knight are all pretty bad creatures.

Actually why don't I just type out the basic mage deck I used one sec

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2 Arcane Missiles
2 Frostbolt
2 Acidic Swamp Ooze
2 Kobold Geomancer
2 Bluegill Warrior
2 Arcane Intellect
2 Shattered Sun Cleric
2 Water Elemental
2 Gnomish Inventor
2 Fireball
2 Polymorph
2 Chillwind Yeti
2 Gurubashi Berserker
1 Archmage
1 Stormwind Champion
2 Flamestrike

Couple of things to consider when playing this deck:

- You can use your hero power on your own Gurubashi Berserker to give it +3 attack
- Bluegill Warriors should usually be used as removal (aka, slam them into something to kill something bigger)
- Hold Acidic Swamp Ooze back against classes that love weapons (Rogue; Warrior; Hunter; Paladin). Otherwise, you can play them on curve.
- Deck strategy is to chip away at their health bar and slowly beat them down until they're in range for something like a buffed fireball + frostbolt. You want to basically surprise them and catch them off guard and kill them off in one turn when they're under about 15 health

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Oh you have a Harvest Golem? Throw him in for one Gnomish Inventor then

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Paladin is a great class! My only legendary (opened in my first pack ever) was a Paladin legendary so that's all I've been playing

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I've never gotten pally decks with the ones I've played in arena.

Maybe I'm just not familiar enough with pally strats or that I just got bad cards for the pally decks.

Lately gotten a lot of hunter draws for arena, and must say hunters are incredibly fun to play.

I play Paladin in arena as a very combo based strategy looking to get the maximum number of minions on the field possible and use my 1/1 recruits to trade up when possible.

Paladin weapons are fantastic... grab every Truesilver Champion you see, and take Sword of Justice over any other epic.

You're going to play the control game, forcing unfavorable trades then wiping their board with a well timed Consecration. For the rares, Aldor Peacekeeper is the best class card, whereas Knife Juggler/Argent Commander are the best neutral cards. Knife Juggler, if you can protect, gets out of control very quickly with Paladin's class ability.

You want to run over them with minions, so you want to grab cards that combo well with other minions on the board. That 1/1 recruit suddenly can trade with their 3 toughness dude when you throw out Dark Iron Dwarf. Stormwind Champion suddenly means you have an infinite source of repeatable 2/2s every turn. Your opponent will laugh at your army of 1/1 recruits until you drop a Frostwolf Warlord on curve and make it an 8/8 or 9/9 on turn 5. An army of 1/1s also gets really scary when you drop a Cult Master and get a shitload of card draw off of each of those little derps.

Paladins have no outright removal, so making favorable trades is where it's at... this is enabled by Truesilver Champion (4 damage weapon, gain 2 life when you attack) since it can hit MOST threats and kill them. Consecration allows you to wipe out 4-5 dudes at once if you trade properly. Blessing of Kings means your derpy 1/1 is now a 5/5 and they have to waste time trading with you and losing card advantage. Hammer of Wrath is 3 damage and card draw and is a very good card. Equality, if timed correctly, means their mean little lineup of fat dudes are suddenly nothing when your recruits suicide into them.

The typical cards that are good in arena are good here, too (Harvest Golem, Chillwind Yeti, Acidic Swap Ooze, Boulderfist Ogre, Scarlet Crusader, etc) so pack a bunch of the great neutral cards with the great Paladin class cards and you have a deck that will be able to favorably trade up nine times out of ten then just laugh as you mercilessly beat them to death with fatties. Good luck!

PS: Don't ever play low curve all out aggro Paladin because it won't work.

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Blessing of kings, it's not auto card advantage b/c you had to play blessing of kings, but it's 2+4 mana for a 5/5 if you put it on a recruit, which is pretty good stats.

Sorry, I should've been more clear: I meant that playing Blessing of Kings on your minion is a net 0 card loss for you (maintain status quo), while your opponent will have to sacrifice at least 1, more often 2 cards, to deal with the 5/5 minion that cost you no cards at all.

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Oh, yeah, I see your point. Was getting two things confused.

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Had some luck in Arena today with prize packs, decided to try and put together the shell of a Paladin control deck:

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There are tons of targets... over half of the deck is potential defender targets. And at the worst, they give me 2 2/2s with taunt (with my hero power)

The goal of having the defenders in there is just to control the board and stall the game out longer

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ALSO blizz really needs to implement rewards for ranked (crafting dust per advancement, anything)

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IMO suncleric is worth it and ill pay an extra mana for the taunt

but yeah I'm not THRILLED with how it's performing but IDK what else goes in that slot

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I don't see how Sunfury fixes the problem?

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In an ideal world I'd have Cairne and Ragnaros and this would be a perfect deck

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I made a few changes and I'm LOVING THE NEW DECK

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AP PLZ ADD
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Had some luck in Arena today with prize packs, decided to try and put together the shell of a Paladin control deck:

-1 Demolisher
+1 Harvest Golem

+1 Abomination
-1 Boulderfist Ogre

+1 Avenging Wrath
-1 Gelbin Mekkatorque

Deck has been working a lot better, for some reason. Avenging Wrath is just a wipeout most times. And I think Abomination being another combo board wipe with Equality is really good... and Harvest Golem is able to survive Equality + Wild Pyromancer combos and maintain board control. It's not perfect, obviously, but I'm digging the way it's going. I think if I had Ragnaros, Cairne, and maybe Sword of Justice I'd be good

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I think I'll try to craft cairne and nat pagle(which will almost certainly get nerfed and then full dust value yay!) then probably try to grind some ranked sometime as either druid or priest.

Outside of the dust refund, why Nat over Tinkmaster

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heal isn't bad in a control deck. are you high
I don't like to use my hero power a lot so ??? and the idea behind Pyromancer is it gives cheap combo board wipes w/ Consecration & Equality, and if not, then it's a 3/2 that can trade with a x/4 dude if I play a spell and swing
why would I run Blessing of Kings in a pallycontrol deck? I'm not aggro in the slightest, Kings is pretty useless here
Twilight Drake is fine since by the time I play it I usually havent played anything else anyway so I'm getting a 4/8 on turn 4 aka VALUEEEEE
Divine Favor isn't very good card draw when playing control and I have more cards in hand than my opponent 9/10 times

FWIW... the pro event from last night just had decks posted online:
http://www.gosugamers.net/hearthstone/n ... ight-night

ek0p's Paladin deck looks a hell of a lot like the one I scrambled together last night:

- He's running Sunfury Protector instead of Defender of Argus (which I had discussed swapping out anyway)
- He has more legendaries than me so that's obviously a big difference
- He has three Giants in his deck... I get the Mountain Giant, Sea Giant seems odd... I guess he takes damage till he can play Sea Giant then heals himself back up

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Never thought I'd hear those words

Mage is probably the best basic deck to build (though I think the basic Paladin and basic Rogue cards are very good too)

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A 4 mana 4/3 dies to way too many 2 mana creatures.


A card that only heals is not bad. You're placing value on that heal. 2 mana for 6 life is good, and you can use it to top off a minions health, too. Surviving against aggro decks is hard without heals to get me to that turn 6 sweet spot. I feel like you're talking about maybe a Pally aggro deck and are not considering how control decks work.

The only life total that matters is zero. Being lower on life doesn't mean someone is losing. It's all about keeping tempo and buying time

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Out of my last four Arena runs, 10/12 losses were to mages. fucking ridiculous

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http://www.twitch.tv/xxxpickemgenius/b/505296981

most of 12-1 run with the most ridiculous shaman deck. drafted it yesterday played a few games earlier then restarted a few hours ago.

that deck was fucking bonkers

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WHEEEE! just went 10-3 in Arena (best record so far) and pulled an Al'Akir the Windlord out of the prize pack!!

Second legendary yay (although he's rather underwhelming).

Never touched Shaman, so I just got my Shaman to level 10 and I'm running this:

2 Forked Lightning
2 Lightning Bolt
1 Stormforged Axe
2 Acidic Swamp Ooze
2 Kobold Geomancer
2 Novice Engineer
2 Feral Spirit
2 Hex
2 Lightning Storm
2 Questing Adventurer
2 Shattered Sun Cleric
2 Ogre Magi
1 Spellbreaker
2 Windspeaker
1 Bloodlust
2 Fire Elemental
1 Al'Akir the Windlord

Thoughts?

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Yeah I just threw it together quickly. I kind of hold early game with one or two threats and some burn and then go balls out mid game to win in 2-3 turns.

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Spoiler: My list

1 noble sacrifice
2 redemption
1 repentance
1 secretkeeper
1 argent protector
1 bloodfen raptor
1 bloodsai raider
1 dire wolf alpha
1 frostwolf grunt
1 ironbeak owl
1 murloc tidehunter
1 acolyte of pain
1 ironfur grizzly
1 raging worgen
1 razorfen hunter
1 blessing of kings
1 consecration
1 hammer of wrath
1 defender of argus
1 Sen'jin Shildmasta
1 silvermoon guardian
2 spellbreaker
1 avenging wrath
3 argent commander
1 guardian of kings
1 stormwind chapmion

Raging Worgen is usually dead so it's pretty bad.
Ironfur Grizzly is okay but I wouldn't take it unless the other two options just sucked ass.
I don't think there's a card I'd take Secret Keeper over in the game. Except Alarm-O-Bot. Fuck that card.
Repentance and Redemption are both really bad.
Ironbeak Owl really is okay but might've been overkill since you have two Spellbreakers.
Murloc Tidehunter is never the right pick unless your other two options were like... Wisp & Goldshire Footman.

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yeeeeeep

I mentally prepare for a loss when I hear "versus... JAINA!"

Mages are just really stupidly OP right now in Arena

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back to back arena runs on Paladin with literally the worst card pools I've ever gotten in arena

Mind Control Tech/Auctioneer/Mana Addict as my choices both times

The only decent Rare or higher I got was one Avenging Wrath the second go around

I had Imp Master both times as my "best" rare. ugh i hate this damn game sometimes

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Mind Control Tech is completely dependent upon letting your opponent get massive board control over you and then hoping you grab something good and not the 1/1.

He's not the worst rare but he's far from one of the best. I can think of like at least 10-20 off the top of my head I'd want over him.

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Argent Commander, Azure Drake, Knife Juggler, Twilight Drake, Stampeding Kodo, Defender of Argus, Sunwalker, probably even Emperor Cobra

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But it has taunt!!

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You always get at least 4 rares? Are you saying all those are bad

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But gnomish inventor

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apparently beta ends in a matter of weeks, not months

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Tinkmaster & Pagle nerfs.

Tinkmaster is just dead now, why not just remove it from the game?

Pagle definitely isn't great now. I have one, I'm debating on DE it for full dust cost, but I don't know what to craft. It's my only neutral legendary. I have Al'Akir and Tirion Fordring.

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Paladin Control just seems dead which is what I have built, so... I'm not sure what to build.

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I was leaning towards Cairne or Rag... I actually think Cairne got a lot better with Tink/Pagle nerfs.

Pagle may still be borderline playable but he won't be better than Mana Tide Totem now.

@Plum: Don't be scared of ranked! You literally can't drop below the first few ranks once you start playing so you have nothing to lose

Also

how the fuck can I beat Zoo

? I've been playing it some in ranked and I haven't lost a match with it. I have no idea how to beat it, though, because it seems to be a mirror match every other match and I want to counter it.

p.edit: http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/375-beta- ... ments-card

Nat Pagle/Tinkmaster nerfs; ranked rewards for 500 wins with a single class unlocks golden hero portraits; new cards backs; minor wording changes

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Yeah Tink is basically Gelbin Mekkatorque now (as far as value).

I figure if I dust Pagle now to craft Cairne or Rag that's fine as I can always craft Pagle again if his value doesn't tumble too much.

@Everyone: What's the best neutral legendary to craft if I have Tirion & Al'Akir? Although, it looks like Aggro is just strong as fuck right now, so maybe Leeroy or Rag are the right bets of Ysera or Sylvanas?

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went into Arena, almost DE'd Pagle for Rag, said "nah ill do it afterwards"

Went 10-0, opened Ragnaros

sooooo... I guess i should be doing Cairne now?

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*10-3

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Maybe I'll keep Pagle. The nerfs don't seem to have hit him THAT hard?

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this current shaman deck I'm laddering with is SO MUCH FUCKING FUN.

2x Earth Shock
2x Lightning Bolt
2x Rockbiter Weapon
1x Stormforged Axe
1x Flametongue TOtem
1x Nat Pagle
1x Wild Pyromancer
2x Feral Spirit
2x Hex
1x Lava Burst
2x Lightning Storm
1x Mana Tide Totem
2x Unbound Elemental
1x Chillwind Yeti
2x Defender of Argus
2x Azure Drake
1x Gadgetzan Auctioneer
1x Argent Commander
2x Fire Elemental
1x Al'Akir the Windlord

Considering cutting a Fire Elemental for another Argent Commander but unsure

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I haven't actually been able to use Al'Akir yet in a game, but him + Rockbiter weapon or Flametongue Totem just ends the game.

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this is gonna suck



My first arena run.

Also: Stormwind champion and a pryoblast

wish me luck.

how did you end up in any situation in which you have

two shieldbearers

and

kirin tor mage with zero secrets

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other than those three cards your deck isn't that bad though

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Oh I didn't see Mirror Entity or Ice Barrier (both are bad usually).

It's more than the two Flamestrikes though... it's that Argent Commander/Silver Hand Knight/Water Elemental/Sen'jin Shieldmasta/Mana Wyrm are some of the best creatures to have for mage

I don't see Pyroblast anywhere?

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I generally think vanilla bodies are pretty bad unless they're huge value (Chillwind Yeti/Boulderfist Ogre for example). It's too easy to get removed immediately and they do nothing to help board state when they're played

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There's not a TON of depth but... there's a lot more than meets the eye.

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It develops as you start running into decks with better cards and more synergy, yes. Although a pro player just hit legend rank with a free only shaman deck.

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So, I checked out this game a few days ago, and it does seem pretty nice. So far I'm doing pretty well on casual with the basic decks, but I know that's not exactly the whole game. I'm a little bit overwhelmed by the deckbuilder though. I just don't know how to begin or where to aim for. Does anyone have some good tips on how to get started with that?

Essentially, you can make a deck with whatever you want, but think of everything as wanting to get card advantage.

- You play a 4/5 creature. Your opponent plays a single kill spell. Even trade.
- You play a 4/5 creature that spawns a 4/5 when killed. Your opponent plays a kill spell. You come out ahead.

Deck synergies need to focus on maintaining board control while maintaining card advantage. There are a few exceptions to this (namely the Warlock Zoo deck that is the bane of my existence right now) but it's a good rule to follow for the most part.

Aggro decks want to play cheap guys that can go to the face, or in the case of stuff like Zoo, play cheap small dudes then buff them to trade with bigger dudes. Examples of popular aggro decks right now are: Aggro Hunter, Warlock Zoo Rush, Paladin Rush

Control decks want to keep the board clear of threats in the early to mid game until they can start slamming down their win conditions in the form of big mana fatties. Check out these decks for examples: Control Warrior, Control Shaman, Control Priest, Giants Paladin

Midrange decks want to slowly build to a scary board in the middle turns of the game and win quickly after that: Midrange Shaman, Midrange Budget Druid, Midrange Warrior

Combo decks are few and far between, but still fun: Druid Tokens, Miracle Rogue

If you're looking for a budget deck to play, Warlock Zoo and Budget Druid are both great. Most halfway decent decks are going to need epics/legendaries though... although, one of the professional players DID just reach legend rank using this Free to Play Shaman deck. No rares or crazy cards required.

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How is it consistently, Peg? I'm working on a budget deck (this one, specifically. I'm one the one epic short right now), but that's the eventual deck I'd like to start playing once I get the bajillion dusts I'll need with my luck.

Good thing about this deck, too, is that both Azure Drake & Faceless Manipulator can fit into most decks so they're really good neutral crafts.

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I don't think servers matter for the battle tag system.

My last three arena runs have been depressing. I'm hoping I can go more than 5-3 at some point soon.

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I think it does, because otherwise my friends list wouldn't still be empty...

Yeah but the battletag system works on all Blizzard games, including World of Warcraft, and you can add people cross-servers there (it's kinda the point of the battletag system).

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It's not a cost, it's an effect.

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Well, to be fair, if you have NO cards in hand you usually lose. That's why Soulfire/Doomguard are usually used as finishers because you go all in

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HMMMMMMM.

ANGRY CHICKEN, ALARM-O-BOT, OR SECRET KEEPER ON MY SHAMAN DECK.

I DON'T KNOW, HEARTHSTONE.

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OH AND MY FIRST MATCH IS AGAINST A PALADIN WHO GOES GADGEZTAN AUCTIONEER -> BLESSING OF KINGS -> FACELESS MANIPULATOR? YES PLEASE

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can someone please explain how angry chicken is supposed to work

because i'm JUST NOT SEEING IT

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I can't.

0-3. Paladin, Paladin, Mage. My options were Warlock, Priest, Shaman.

Double consecrates, flamestrikes, frostboltfrostboltfireball

I AM SO FUCKING OVER IT

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lol yep

They're both the most hated decks in the game right now. I've found two counters to them: Warrior Control, and out-aggroing them.

Also have about a 60% winrate against them on my Shaman control deck but it's less reliable than the other two

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The issue with Hunter is that without UtH, it's not a deck. But with UtH, it's unhinged bullshit.

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LOL

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ME VS 4 LEGENDARIES IN A ROW

IN ARENA

LET'S GO!

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like. i actually thought that was impossible

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welcomet o priest

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do not put core hound in any deck ever

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Hmmm.

So, yeah, this deck actually isn't bad. It's very all or nothing, but here are my suggestions for the future:

- You probably want at least one Mind Control. It's a pretty excellent late game card. Two might be overkill but one can outright win the game for you.
- I know it's tempting to go for Acolyte of Pain in this deck, but the amount of ::effort:: required to make him pay off is pretty not worth it.
- Don't play Shieldbearer in this deck. Just... don't.
- Holy Nova is a pretty good Priest card that'll outright win some games on Turn 5 against Aggro, I'd throw a couple in there.
- No Temple Enforcer!? WHAAAAAT! That card is the tits.

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Also obv go for the neutral commons that are staples (Harvest Golem / Acidic Swamp Ooze / Shattered Sun Cleric / Chillwind Yeti / Boulderfist Ogre).

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Good tips, I can work with that. What would you suggest in place of Shieldbearer though? That is one of the few cards that keep me safe early game, that four health for one mana is quite valuable to me. Same with Acolyte of Pain. I don't have the actual stats on that, but I feel like I'm getting about three cards out of it on average, so it would beat actually out Arcane Intellect for draw in addition to the benefit of having a minion on the table. I really need that draw...

I don't really get the appeal of Harvest Golem. I see a lot of people playing them, but they have yet to give me any trouble whatsoever. Those other minions are definitely solid. I'm actually considering taking out Frostwolf Warlord. It's definitely nice to have when you have a well populated board, but it is unreliable. Then again, having your minions simultaneously shout ‘For the Horde’ and ‘For the Alliance’ while you attack is pretty funny :p I've also been toying with the idea of putting Young Priestesses in there, but they may be a little too fragile to be worth it.

Harvest Golem is very hard for opponents to deal with effectively in terms of card advantage. Usually they wind up spending two cards to deal with the Golem + the 2/1 dink left behind... or at the very least, they end up spending one card + their hero power which sets their curve back a turn. Maybe a 2/3 and 2/1 aren't that scary but you're paying 3 mana for essentially a 4/4 that has to be killed twice.

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Oh yeah get rid of the Mogushan Warden too. He's bad. Sen'Jin Shieldmasta is a much better taunt body.

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What would you suggest in place of Shieldbearer though? That is one of the few cards that keep me safe early game, that four health for one mana is quite valuable to me.

You're taking up a card in your deck that essentially says "1 Mana: Heal 4 Health". It's not that great in the deck you're trying to run here. You're a Priest, to boot... you have enough incidental heal (and a heal power) that you shouldn't care if you take some extra damage early

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That's the problem. You really should be (using that mana for other stuff).

I'll just post my current Priest list that I play when I need 3-5 quick wins in Play mode for dailies. Feel free to give it a spin and see if you like it:

Northshire Cleric x 2
Power Word: Shield x 2
Shadow Word: Pain x 2
Acidic Swamp Ooze x 2
Loot Hoarder x 2
Shadow Word: Death x 2
Earthen Ring Farseer x 2
Lightspawn x 2
Chillwind Yeti x 2
Holy Nova x 2
Fen Creeper x 2
Temple Enforcer x 2
Boulderfist Ogre x 2
Stormwind Champion x 1
Mind Control x 1

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Wondering if I should start saving up gold NOW for the Naxxramas adventure mode... they still haven't announced how much each wing costs to unlock, but since it's a one-time unlock I can't imagine it's cheap.

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Hmmm. I wonder if it's worth it to save up for the wings... that means no Arena runs, only doing dailies, and it'll take about a 1.5-2.5 weeks to save up enough for one wing.

I'd bet the wings will be about $10 to unlock? Maybe $5, but that seems incredibly cheap (considering 150 coins = $2).

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Yeah I haven't tried it in Ranked. I only have about four decks I'll play in Ranked -- Shaman, Zoo, Huntard, and Paladin Control. Just had a "win 5 games as Warlock" quest, went 5-0 with Zoo, finally hit Rank 10.

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zoo is pretty free so you should think about using it

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Pretty much w/ a couple minor changes

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What I mean is, does Rogue get better as you add more cards, or is it all Mage and Priest all the time?

None of these are actually top tier decks, funny enough

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Yeah, that Rogue list is fine... although, if you were going to invest in those neutral cards, both Zoo (Warlock) and Aggro Hunter use basically the same minions and are better decks.

The best Rogue deck around is Miracle Rogue, and that's not even that great anymore.
http://hearthstoneplayers.com/guide-leg ... cle-rogue/

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Did you track those stats yourself?

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http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/for ... 73778812#1

HAHAHAHA FUCK YOU HUNTERS

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No laptop/tablet, RIP

Also I created my own spreadsheet for this season, but I included several tabs for each deck I play to have its own individual stats, an aggregate page to measure overall performance, and more stats for my winrates as each class vs each opponent class

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v2 link?

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Hmmmm. I don't like the dwarf change

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also I opened an Archmage Antonidas last night (7 mana 5/7, when you cast a spell, 'draw' a Fireball spell (4 mana 6 damage)).

sadly I don't have the cards necessary to play ExpensiveMageControl.deck (bloodmage, alexstraza, etc... but I have one Doomasayer and two Blizzards?) but I'm sure I can find some cheapish deck to throw this in.

hi, and welcome to aggromage.deck!

[Fanatik] Strategy Aggro (LEGEND)

• 2
  x Sorcerer's Apprentice
  
• 2
  x Mirror Image
  
• 1
  x Flamestrike
  
• 2
  x Frostbolt
  
• 2
  x Ice Lance
  
• 1
  x Archmage Antonidas
  
• 2
  x Mana Wyrm
  
• 2
  x Water Elemental
  
• 1
  x Azure Drake
  
• 2
  x Loot Hoarder
  
• 2
  x Kirin Tor Mage
  
• 2
  x Knife Juggler
  
• 2
  x Arcane Intellect
  
• 2
  x Fireball
  
• 1
  x Bloodmage Thalnos
  
• 2
  x Counterspell
  
• 2
  x Arcane Missiles

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You probably have literally all of that except Thalnos

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just throw in a 2mana card draw and it'll have the same effect. or skew the mana curve upwards and throw in a +SP card

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I have zero Mana Wyrms or Ice Lances

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Then you're not paying attention, because Zoo is everywhere and was like THE deck to beat for several months.

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is mage still stupid broken in arena

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I'm down for a league even though I don't play that much. I think rares and lower is probably a fine limit.

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Rares are literally 100 dust, there's no excuse not to have them.

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Here's a handy cheat sheet for crafting!

Rarity	Crafting (Normal)	Crafting (Golden)	Disenchanting (Normal)	Disenchanting (Golden)
Common (White)	40	400	5	50
Rare (Blue)	100	800	20	100
Epic (Purple)	400	1600	100	400
Legendary (Orange)	1600	3200	400	1600

The best time to disenchant is going to be right after balance changes in a patch, because for two weeks any cards that had balance changes will DE for their full amount.
You cannot disenchant soulbound cards, meaning the cards you get either by creating a new account or the cards you get as a reward for leveling up the classes.

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Class-specific rare cards to craft (although plenty of classes use specific neutrals, such as Injured Blademaster in Priest & Shaman, Twilight Drake in Warlock etc.):
Druid - Keeper of the Grove
Hunter - Savannah Highmane, Eaglehorn Bow for control/trap Hunter, Flare if you really like Hunter/Kolento midrange.
Mage - Kirin Tor Mage & Counterspell for Mage-Aggro, Blizzard for control.
Paladin - Equality, Aldor Peacekeeper
Priest - Auchenai Soulpriest, ???
Rogue - SI:7 Agent, Blade Flurry(?)
Shaman - Feral Spirit, Lightning Storm, Mana Tide Totem (1)
Warlock - Doomguard
Warrior - Frothing Berserker, Armorsmith

This is an okay list, though I think the Kirin Tor list for mage is above average at best.

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So about this Hearthstone league idea?

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I spent so long collecting dust to craft Nat Pagle that even after the nerf I couldn't bring myself to DE him.

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Should win dust to put more stuff in over time

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NAXX HYPE

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i swear the 3rd boss almost made me break something but I DID IT

now to cry while trying to do heroic

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Starting my heroic runs today. HUZZAH.

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Beat Anub & Faerlina with ramp druid. Taunt taunt taunt. Takes a few tries to get the perfect mulligan but once you get it, it's easy.

Beat Maexxna with a healadin deck... basically, start out by throwing down Stonetusk Boar and Voodoo Priest (w/e his name is), they'll constantly return to your hand... keep doing it until you hit a Consecration, cast the thing when she has 4 of the 1/2 guys that creates 2 1/1s... floods her board with 1/1s and she can't cast anything else. Then you heal through the initial onslaught using Earthen Ring Farseer/Voodoo Priest/Holy Light until you get to 7 mana, then you just cast Guardian of Kings -> GoK + Voodoo every turn to outheal the 7 damage she's throwing at you. Any time you are at 8+ HP, you instead throw out GoK + Wolfrider to get in 3 damage... alternate GoK/Wolf with GoK/Voodoo every turn to whittle her down, then slam down two strong charge guys (I used Argent Commander + Wolfrider) once she's in kill range.

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kinda sad there are no heroic rewards though :\

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snipe on my nerubian egg with a knife juggler on the field is fucking hilarious

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Warlock Zoo with Abusive/Dark Iron/Shattered Sun/Argus etc., to boost it and provide AoE protection?

GOD YES, NAXX LOCK ZOO IS AMAZING

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Soulfire x2
Abusive Sergeant x2
Argent Squire x2
Flame Imp x2
Voidwalker x2
Young Priestess x2
Dire Wolf Alpha x2
Haunted Creeper x2
Knife Juggler x2
Nerubian Egg x2
Harvest Golem x2
Shattered Sun Cleric x2
Dark Iron Dwarf x2
Defender of Argus x2
Doomguard x2

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just went against a mage in arena who had 3 ice blocks (the one that prevents damage at fatal) in a row at 1HP and then fireballed me 4 turns in a row to win

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but PACKS

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Also I finally got Grimm to download this and start playing :3

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spiders also give you threats after a consecrate/flamestrike/etc

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gonna try that Zoo list with -1 Abusive/DarkIron and +1 Mortal Coil/Argent Commander, we'll see how it goes.

dunno if I like the Spiders yet, but I guess it works with Juggler.

I ran Mortal Coil in Zoo religiously up until like two days ago and I must say I'm much happier without it

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Just drafted the worst rogue deck of all time in arena.

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agar played me in janky priest vs janky priest last night

i won

he yelled

it was grand

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>buy 4pack of naxx wings
>go to play
>"Opens Week 2"
>see it's not opening till 3am tonight
>cry

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I get the rogue or warrior quest like 3 times a week... and I don't have a deck for either

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this wing was very easy >_>

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The Hunter class challenge is glorious.

Yeaaaaaaaah. I loved that challenge.

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I really liked Amaz's Death Knight concept, although the hero power seems a bit OP with some of those abilities.

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CRACKED MYSELF A BLOODMAGE THALNOS FINALLY

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hey guys the league is starting

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Yeah what's the tracker you use called?

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It's just a match history, though... is there a live tracker so I can see what cards I have left in a deck and what my opponent has left?

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http://hearthdecker.blogspot.se/

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arena: pick mage, pick fireballs, win

I mean there's actual strategy but it's the RNGest of RNG

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I usually go 7-8 wins but holy fuck do I hate it. Arena is boring as fuck. I would rather do pretty much anything else. At this point instead of doing arena runs, I just buy a pack for 100g every other day.

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pick paladin or mage (or rogue, if available)

Then there's just basic draft strategy based on pick priority. Never try to go for card synergies with the neutral cards, just pick the "bombs": Chillwind Yeti, Harvest Golem, Dark Iron Dwarf, Argent Commander, Azure Drake, Knife Juggler, etc. Build a deck with good value dudes in each slot and don't worry about anything else.

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Egg is getting put in a lot of decks because it synergizes with the fast aggro strategy that has dominated the meta.

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If/when the meta switches away (which I imagine will come in the form of some card buffs to control/removal), Egg won't see play anymore.

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Guys, I made Miracle Druid. It is fucking AMAZING to play. I haven't had this much fun playing Hearthstone since I started playing.

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I'm posting from memory so i'm probably wrong about some of this... but... from what I remember:

THE ENGINES:
2x Gadgetzan Auctioneers
2x Violet Teacher
2x Coldlight Oracle

THE DUDES TO GET YOU THERE:
2x Azure Drake
1x Bloodmage Thalnos
2x Keeper of the Grove

THE SPELL FODDER:
2x Innervate
2x Wild Growth
2x Moonfire
2x Claw
2x Swipe
2x Wrath
2x Naturalize (yes, Naturalize)

THE FINISHERS:
2x Savage Roar
2x Power of the Wild
1x Force of Nature

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I'm probably missing some cards but that's the basic deck idea.

FUN THINGS TO KNOW:

You can easily and pretty consistently open up the game with some combination of Coldlight Oracle + Naturalize. This forces them to draw FOUR cards usually on turn 3/4 (or earlier with coin), which makes them start burning cards. They have to make suboptimal plays just to empty their hand so they're not burning away legendaries off the top deck. This strategy kicks special ass against Handlock & Miracle Rogue. Yeah, go ahead and hold onto your cards, asshole.

I usually use the Auctioneers early to draw through my deck... play out the Violet Teachers, then use the rinkydink spells to pump out 1/1s, trade into any taunt guys, and finish with a Savage Roar + Power of the Wild combo for tons of damage.

Deck can struggle against Zoo & Aggro, particularly, because of the lack of taunts. This is why Thalnos + Drake + Swipe are in the deck.

This deck is all or nothing. You draw through fucking everything then hope your hand full of spells can do enough shit to turn that army of 1/1s into killing machines, and usually it can. I won about 8/10 games w/ this last night.

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Posting my Crusher Shaman list here so I can remember it after I inevitably fuck up trying to build a version with Baron Rivendale:

2x Ancestral Healing
2x Earth Shock
2x Lightning Bolt
2x Ancestral Spirit
1x Bloodmage Thalnos
1x Wild Pyromancer
1x Feral Spirit
2x Hex
2x Lightning Storm
2x Injured Blademaster
1x Mana Tide Totem
1x Unbound Elemental
2x Sen'jin Shieldmsta
1x Spellbreaker
2x Azure Drake
2x Earth Elemental
1x Faceless Manipulator
2x Fire Elemental
1x Ragnaros

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I just paid for it... 700 a week times 4 weeks means you need 2800g... which, based on current arena runs, is $2 per 150 gold. That means that 2800g is about $35... or just pay $20 to get the whole thing.

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if you void terror both Stallag and Feugen with Rivendare on the field...


yeah that's 4 thaddius

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warrior challenge is the biggest load of RNG horse shit I've ever seen

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I'm very much enjoying playing my Thaddius Paladin homebrew in ranks 15-10 so far... so much aggro/Zoo

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I'm closing in on 1600 dust. Which legendary should I craft?

Al'Akir the Windlord

Alexstrasza
Archmage Antonidas
Baron Geddon

Bloodmage Thalnos

Cairne Bloodhoof

Captain Greenskin
Cenarius
Deathwing
Edwin VanCleef
Grommash Hellscream
Gruul
Harrison Jones
Hogger
Illidan Stormrage

King Krush

King Mukla

Leeroy Jenkins

Lord Jaraxxus
Lorewalker Cho
Malygos
Millhouse Manastorm

Nat Pagle

Nozormu
Old Murk-Eye
Onyxia
Prophet Velen

Ragnaros the Firelord

Sylvanas Windrunner

The Beast

The Black Knight

Tinkmaster Overspark

Tirion Fordring

Ysera

Bolded are the ones I'm considering at the moment (although i'm open to suggestions)... I

do

want VanCleef and Velen, but I should probably be crafting a neutral rare.

TBK is boring to craft but I feel like he's killing it in the taunt-crazy meta we have right now.

Leeroy is used in so many decks it'd be crazy not to craft him because he doesn't really have a replacement.

Cairne was my #1 to craft a few months ago but he's sorta fallen out of the meta.

Sylvanas could work, I guess, but she seems rather boring.

Ysera is just good.

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Also wow, I'm doing REALLY well with my Thaddius Control Paladin deck.

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I'm gonna post my current group of laddering decks and see if anyone has any suggestions/changes. I'm doing okay but I haven't been keeping up with meta calls or anything so any advice is useful.

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Spoiler: Tempo Rogue

2x Backstab
1x Cold Blood
2x Deadly Poison
2x Argent Squire
1x Blade Flurry
2x Eviscerate
1x Bloodmage Thalnos
1x Defias Ringleader
2x Loot Hoarder
1x Perdition's Blade
2x Harvest Golem
2x SI:7 Agent
1x Anub'ar Ambusher
2x Defender of Argus
1x Assassinate
2x Azure Drake
1x Loatheb
1x Spiteful Smith
2x Argent Commander
1x Ragnaros the Firelord

Spoiler: ThaddyPally

1x Humility
1x Elven Archer
2x Equality
1x Holy Light
2x Wild Pyromancer
1x Acolyte of Pain
2x Aldor Peacekeeper
1x Harvest Golem
2x Truesilver Champion
2x Consecration
2x Sen'jin Shieldmasta
1x Spellbreaker
1x Feugen
1x Loatheb
2x Sludge Belcher
1x Stalagg
2x Stampeding Kodo
2x Sunwalker
1x Guardian of Kings
1x Lay on Hands
1x Tirion Fordring

Spoiler: Crusher/Deathrattle Shaman

2x Earth Shock
2x Rockbiter Weapon
2x Ancestral Spirit
2x Reincarnate
1x Bloodmage Thalnos
2x Flamtongue Totem
2x Haunted Creeper
1x Loot Hoarder
2x Nerubian Egg
2x Unstable Ghoul
2x Hex
2x Lightning Storm
1x Baron Rivendare
2x Bloodlust
2x Earth Elemental
1x Faceless Manipulator
2x Sludge Belcher

Spoiler: Zoo

2x Soulfire
2x Power Overwhelming
2x Abusive Sergeant
2x Argent Squire
2x Flame Imp
2x Voidwalker
2x Dire Wolf Alpha
2x Haunted Creeper
2x Knife Juggler
2x Nerubian Egg
2x Harvest Golem
2x Void Terror
1x Cult Master
2x Dark Iron Dwarf
1x Defender of Argus
2x Doomguard

Spoiler: Midrange Hunter

1x Hunter's Mark
2x Tracking
1x Timber Wolf
2x Explosive Trap
2x Freezing Trap
2x Haunted Creeper
1x Ironbeak Owl
1x Scavenging Hyena
2x Starving Buzzard
2x Eaglehorn Bow
2x Animal Companion
1x Deadly Shot
2x Kill Command
2x Unleash the Hounds
2x Houndmaster
1x Oasis Snapjaw
1x Stampeding Kodo
1x Maexxna
2x Savannah Highmane

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Those are the five I'm using... though Tempo Rogue & Hunter get used way less than the other three.

My other slots are for 3 MS League decks, and then Miracle Druid, which I can't decide if I love or hate.

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Hunter absolutely wants Leeroy, it's the only thing stopping me from playing it more competitively.

Shaman probably doesn't.

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It's working fine... Deadly Shot is actually working out really well versus non-zoo decks.

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What a disappointing final wing. Although, I will say I freaked out a little at the Saphirron fight since they had the ice block'd gnome there.

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I'm considering crafting Cairne just so I can build this cool ass Shaman deck:

Shaman Cards

2x Earth Shock
2x Lightning Bolt
2x Ancestral Spirit
2x Reincarnate
2x Hex
2x Lightning Storm
2x Earth Elemental
2x Fire Elemental

Neutral Cards

1x Bloodmage Thalnos
2x Loot Hoarder
2x Harvest Golem
1x Baron Rivendare
1x Faceless Manipulator
1x Feugen
1x Loatheb
2x Sludge Belcher
1x Stalagg
1x Cairne Bloodhoof
1x Ragnaros the Firelord

Though I supposed Leeroy for Cairne wouldn't be so bad in that deck. I think I want to put Kel'Thazud in it somewhere.... it's just...

...Faceless Manipulator on Ragnaros... or Ancestral Spirit + Reincarnate + Baron Rivendare on Rag...

...Or Stalagg & Feugen wombos with Rivendare/Reincarnate... (three Thaddius sounds good)...

...Or Earth Elemental, Ancestral Spirit... Reincarnate it... then Kel'Thuzad...

...Or just recinarnate Cairne to get Cairne AND Baine back...

... Cairne + Ancestral Spirit + Reincarnate = 2x Cairne, 1x Baine

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I also don't think Feugen and Stalagg are very good because you have to draw both of them for them to be good and Thaddius is extremely susceptible to hard removal as well as bounce effects like Sap and Freezing Trap (and Kidnapper). Although Feugen has a decent statline, Stalagg's is pretty bad since on Turn 5 it'll die to basically everything. If you had to take anything out for Kel'Thuzad, I'd look here (and add a second Faceless Manipulator).

As a counterpoint to that, I'm usually happy drawing either on T5. People panic and use removal/silence stuff on them. Plus, a ton of decks are running Feugen now on the ladder, so even just having Stalagg means I get to combo off of their shit.

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this reddit thread is amazing

"I used to date a spider... but she's Maexxna."

"That was terrible. 10/10."
"Are you sure you don't mean 2/8?"
"I don't care about the numbers, I'm still dying."

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Sjow is actually running a secrets Mage deck and went from 100 to 6 using this list:

Sjow New Naxx Secret Mage Deck!

• 1
  x Sylvanas Windrunner
  
• 1
  x Flamestrike
  
• 1
  x Ethereal Arcanist
  
• 2
  x Frostbolt
  
• 2
  x Mana Wyrm
  
• 1
  x Water Elemental
  
• 2
  x Harvest Golem
  
• 2
  x Loot Hoarder
  
• 2
  x Kirin Tor Mage
  
• 2
  x Arcane Intellect
  
• 2
  x Fireball
  
• 2
  x Counterspell
  
• 2
  x Mirror Entity
  
• 1
  x Duplicate
  
• 2
  x Undertaker
  
• 2
  x Mad Scientist
  
• 1
  x Stalagg
  
• 1
  x Feugen
  
• 1
  x Loatheb

Removals:
-1 Flamestrike
-1 Water Elemental
-1 Mirror Image
-1 Polymorph
-1 Ice Block
-1 Sen'jin Shieldmasta
-1 Archmage Antonidas
-1 Pyroblast

Additions:
+2 Undertaker
+2 Loot Hoarder
+1 Harvest Golem
+1 Sylvanas
+1 Stalagg
+1 Feugen

The optional thing is to remove Stalagg/Feugen for 2x Sludge Belchers if you're not big on them.

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I've tried putting Undertaker + Deathrattle in almost every shell. It's so good.

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They can't change any mana costs on the secrets, otherwise it defeats the purpose of the secret since people would know what you played if its mana cost was different.

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Posting this here for my own records

Spoiler: Cards Needed-Class Specific

RARE

Bite x2 (Druid)
Misdirection x2 (Hunter)
Flare x1 (Hunter)
Mass Dispel x1 (Priest)
Headcrack x2 (Rogue)
Shadowflame x2 (Warlock)
Siphon Soul x2 (Warlock)
Upgrade x1 (Warrior)
Armorsmith x2 (Warrior)

EPIC

Force of Nature x1 (Druid)
Ancient of Lore x2 (Druid)
Ancient of War x2 (Druid)
Bestial Wrath x2 (Hunter)
Gladiator's Longbow x2 (Hunter)
Ice Block x1 (Mage)
Spellbender x2 (Mage)
Pyroblast x2 (Mage)
Shadowform x1 (Priest)
Cabal Shadow Priest x2 (Priest)
Preparation x2 (Rogue)
Patient Assassin x2 (Rogue)
Kidnapper x2 (Rogue)
Far Sight x1 (Shaman)
Pit Lord x1 (Warlock)
Twisting Nether x2 (Warlock)
Brawl x2 (Warrior)
Gorehowl x2 (Warrior)

LEGENDARY

Cenarius (Druid)
Archmage Antonidas (Mage)
Prophet Velen (Priest)
Edwin VanCleef (Rogue)
Lord Jaraxxus (Warlock)
Grommash Hellscream (Warrior)

Druid Completion:

3800 dust

Hunter Completion:

1900 dust

Mage Completion:

3600 dust

Paladin Completion:

0 dust

Priest Completion:

2900 dust

Rogue Completion:

4200 dust

Shaman Completion:

400 dust

Warlock Completion:

3200 dust

Warrior Completion:

3500 dust

Spoiler: Cards Needed-Neutrals

RARES:
2 Angry Chicken
2 Bloodsail Corsair
2 Lightwarden
2 Murloc Tidecaller
1 Secretkeeper
2 Ancient Watcher
2 Mana Wraith
1 Alarm-o-Bot
1 Coldlight Seer
2 Ancient Mage

COST:

1700 dust

EPICS:
2 Hungry Crab
1 Big Game Hunter
2 Blood Knight
1 Murloc Warleader
2 Southsea Captain
1 Faceless Manipulator
2 Sea Giant
2 Mountain Giant
2 Molten Giant

COST:

6000 dust

LEGENDARIES:
Lorewalker Cho
Millhouse Manastorm
King Mukla
Tinkmaster Overspark
Leeroy Jenkins
Captain Greenskin
Elite Tauren Chieftain
Harrison Jones
Cairne Bloodhoof
Hogger
Illidan Stormrage
Sylvanas Windrunner
The Beast
The Black Knight
Baron Geddon
Gruul
Alextrasza
Malygos
Nozdormu
Onyxia
Ysera
Deathwing

COST:

35200

COST TO CRAFT ALL NON-LEGENDARY CARDS:

21600

COST W/ LEGENDARIES:

66400

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yes

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Yeah like the guy who coined into hero power on hunter T1

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Ancient.

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If you consider that the arena games could be regular games, where 6 wins gets you 20 gold, you don't actually turn any profit until 7 wins, you are often losing gold with less than 6.

It's not about just turning profit... it's possible to break even (Booster = 100g, + 50g back) after just one win. It's guaranteed after 4/5 wins. 7 wins is where you get booster + 150g back.

If you can reliably get 4-5 wins on each arena run, it's just as gold efficient as buying packs. Granted, you also have to consider the 7-8 matches you'll have to play on that arena run. I was only grinding arenas for awhile but goddamn does that format take a toll on you.

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Both of you are just incorrect if Mage isn't #1 overall. You judge it based on what each class brings to the table with their class specific cards. No class comes close to touching Mage's suite of class commons [Flamestrike, Fireball, Water Elemental, Frost Bolt, Polymorph] except MAYBE Paladin [Truesilver Champion, Consecrate, Blessing of Kings, Argent Protector, Hammer of Wrath].

GODS:
Mage/Paladin

GOOD:
Druid, Shaman, Rogue (ish)

BAD:
Rogue (ish), Priest, Hunter

SHIT:
Warlock, Warrior

I've already explained why Mage/Paladin are far and away the best... they offer the best commons, which are what you'll have access to more often than not.

Druid has a pretty good suite of class cards in rares & epics [Ancients, Keeper of the Grove, Starfall] and a few worthy commons [Ironbark Protector, Swipe, Druid of the Claw].

Shaman is mage-like in its commons but comes in slightly less with only Hex, Axe, and Fire Elemental as great commons (then a huge drop off to stuff like Forked LIght

Warlock has NO commons I'd want to take... maybe Shadow Bolt? I don't know. That class just sucks in arena when you can't build around specific strategies.

Warrior's problem is that their good commons are all ones that require Warrior to take face damage to get value (War Axe, Reaper, Weaponsmith).

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That's... not a bad pack. Legendary, rare, and golden rare.

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I wanted to play Gruul in a deck.

So I built "Alarm-O-Bot Curve Wrecker"

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I crafted Mana Wraiths and Alarm-O-Bot. Help me. THE JANK...IS...REAL

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Disenchanted a Cenarius, Lorewalker Cho, and The Beast to get my Leeroy. Let's hope that changes everything.

I am at an 80% winrate with face hunter, but I tweaked the typical list a bit to make it more consistent:

Hunter Cards

2x Hunter's Mark
2x Flare
2x Tracking
2x Webspinner
2x Explosive Trap
2x Starving Buzzard
2x Eaglehorn Bow
2x Animal Cmpanion
2x Kill Command
2x Unleash the Hounds

Neutral Cards

2x Leper Gnome
2x Undertaker
2x Haunted Creeper
1x Ironbeak Owl
2x Mad Scientist
1x Leeroy Jenkins

When I say "face hunter", I mean FACE hunter. It's the easiest deck ever because there's NO decision making -- you just attack the face. T1 undertaker, T2 haunted creeper, T3 Kill Command to the face is just about the dream opener with this deck.

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Also this Pally secrets deck I've been running is LEGIT

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Nothing feels better than watching someone kill your Sludge Belcher, only to trigger Avenge (which makes the ooze left behind a 4/4 instead of a 1/2) and then Redemption (bringing back that 5/1 belcher).

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Loatheb seems really bad in this deck.

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It's surprisingly okay. Doesn't do immediate damage on t5 but it does help.

Yeah but this deck wants to be winning T5/T6. Anything that doesn't do immediate damage or get guaranteed damage through is a bad card in this deck

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I've got Thalnos, Pagle, Leeroy, Ragnaros, Gruul, Al'Akir, Tirion, King Krush, Gelbin Mekkatorque, and all of the Naxx cards.

P.EDIT: "In theory it wants to be winning turn 5/6, but sometimes that doesn't happen." Right, sometimes you get bad draws, but the solution is not to slot in cards that don't play to the deck's primary strengths.

Comparing RDW in MTG to Hearthstone isn't really valid as they're not the same game. Different rules, different cards, different interactions. If you're making that comparison, saying you should play Loatheb in this shell is like saying you should play counterspells in an aggro deck so they can't remove your creatures. You want to be maximizing your mana->damage ratio, which is why coining into hero power is sometimes correct. This deck doesn't really care about your opponent removing your creatures as long as they get damage in. If played properly, you should usually be 2 hero power + Leeroy away from killing them. And it's pretty consistent.

Tracking into Kill/Leeroy/Kill is such a rare and improbable occurance that I'm willing to take the risk. In a game of heavy RNG, Tracking into that specific combo (I'm bad at math, but using my limited knowledge of hypergeometric distribution, there is something like a 0.02% chance of happening, up to like 0.04% if you don't have KC/KC/LJ in your opener) is the least of my concerns.

I'm pretty consistently winning T5/T6, or losing. Face Hunter is very all or nothing, but increasing the consistency of damage going through makes it more all than nothing. SOMETIMES, if it goes to T7, I can pull off Leeroy/UTH combo.

The point of the creepers is that they're guaranteed damage in one way or another (unless they get silenced)... and in that case, they just wasted a silence on a creeper instead of something more valuable.

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my solution to that has been to only play the required amount of games to not lose out on quest gold, and wait for meta that annoys me to blow over.

Or play casual.

Control Paladin actually dumps on the current Hunter decks. (Especially if you have a Harrison Jones to toss in.)
Equality+Pyro & Consecration gives you FOUR board wipes against it.
Run Belcher, Sunwalker, Taz. Guardian of Kings, Lay on Hands. Hunter can do nothing.

Backspace Rogue actually does well against Hunter -- you either outrace Face Hunter, or crush Midrange Hunter.

Also, a few Priest builds seem well equipped to deal with Hunter, but I have like no Priest cards and have no experience with the class so I don't know.

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HEY SO THAT LEEROY JENKINS & STARVING BUZZARD NERF EH?

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Buzzard supposedly going to cost 5 mana and be a 3/2, and Leeroy will be a 5 mana card instead of 4

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>see legendary outline
>flip card last
>it's another nat pagle

GOD FUCKING DAMMIT BLIZZARD.

Okay, should I just go ahead and DE him? Is there actually any chance of Pagle getting tweaked again given the fact they nerfed him into unplayable territory?

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nerfs confirmed now:
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/for ... 79128810#1

So do I DE Leeroy for something else

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Yeah I'm basically thinking my Leeroy will become a Cairne or Sylvanas.

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5 mana leeroy is just awkward because typically you're doing Hero Power + Animal Companion or Kill Command on T5 to get them in range for Leeroy+Hero Power on T6. It also fucks up the awesome Leeroy+UTH combo for finishers.

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4AP:

1x Avenge
2x Redemption
1x Repentance
2x Equality
2x Haunted Creeper
1x Loot Hoarder
2x Mad Scientist
2x Aldor Peacekeeper
2x Harvest Golem
2x Scarlet Crusader
2x Truesilver Champion
2x Consecration
2x Defender of Argus
1x Loatheb
2x Sludge Belcher
2x Sunwalker
1x Kel'Thuzad
1x Tirion Fordring

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http://www.twitch.tv/onenationofgamers

Pretty cool tournament going on right now.

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I don't play this game, but the problem with the Hunter deck from what I've seen of the streamers is UTH. Buzzard took a lot of setup and was only useful if you could 'go off'. Bad change. UTH should cost, like, five or something if they really want to fix Hunter.

UTH costing five would essentially make it useless. UTH is fine in most situations. It has synergy with some cards, sure. The issue was its synergy with Buzzard, specifically. Nerfing Buzzard was correct, but they overdid it. Making it 3-4 mana would be better. The Blizzard balance team is way too reactionary... like when they absolutely WRECKED Tinkmaster's playability by essentially making it useless instead of tweaking its ability. Similarly, UTH started as a card that just buffed all beasts to give them charge and +1 attack. Then they decided to have it be what it is now, but cost 2 mana. The nerf to 3 mana was fine.

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I don't think UTH is insane because it has synergy and can board clear things... every class has crazy combos/synergy. Nobody is complaining about Shaman's Unbound Elemental+Lightning Storm combo, which wipes the board and gives you a 3/5 at the end of it all.

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God, no.

They could've fixed it by making it slightly more expensive but not by much, or they could've just left it as-is and made the hounds in UTH non-beasts.

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I'm not in favor of making a 50% coin flip trigger each time a beast is summoned, that's silly. That wouldn't fix the problem, as sometimes it would still end up drawing you a card every time. If you don't make UTH beasts, then there's no insane burst 5-draw combo. Sure, maybe people can get away with playing lower cost beasts to synergize, but then the card is just replacing itself, they're not actually gaining card advantage.

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That's almost more powerful, since you can plunk down little guys, and then drop him/UTH, and clean up even harder.

Yeah if it was death then the Buzzard/UTH combo would be more powerful and could take advantage of an already existing board state instead of having to create it.

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So then if people want to continue playing Hunter for some reason, is Cultist now better than Buzzard?

Yeah, Cultist is almost certainly a better Buzzard now. Plus, it triggers off of non-beasts.

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Mal is the thing I'm seeing tossed around the most as an alternative.

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The 26-card core is something like:
2x Backstab
2x Prep
1x Conceal
2x Deadly Poison
2x Sinister Strike
2x Blade Flurry
2x Eviscerate
1x Sap
1x Shiv
1x Bloodmage Thalnos
1x Fan of Knives
1x Earthen Ring Farseer
1x Edwin Van Cleef
2x SI:7 Agent
2x Azure Drake
2x Gadgetzan Auctioneer
1x Malygos

Headcrack is something I've seen seriously discussed because w/ Malygos out it becomes 6 dmg to the face for 2 mana every turn. Repeatable. Like Hunter power on steroids.

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Yeah whoops I was thinking Maly was +5SP.

And also I dislike the whole "but wut ab removal" thing because that's going to be a thing no matter what with any card unless it has charge or battlecry

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I mean what's going to have spot removal for stuff like that? Mage with Polymorph and Shaman with Hex. I don't think Shaman will be incredibly popular though.

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Hunters? With what?

Priests? With what?

Rogues have assassinate but it's not meta at all

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How the fuck do I go an entire Mage draft without seeing a single Flamestrike, Fireball, Frost Elemental, or Frostbolt?

This is me, too. Last mage draft I got none of the above AND no polymorphs AND no mage epics.