Newbie 1441 (Game Over)

[Brian Skies]

I have JS as a scum-read every game, yet I always find it difficult as hell to vote him. It's ridiculous.

[notscience]

JS is lurky usually (pretty sure he got hardcore called out for it in my experience with him).

However, I find the fact he's making an effort to be a good example here somewhat townie.

[Brian Skies]

Some of his posts actually give pretty good town-vibes, but his play-style clashes with mine. It's too watered down and widespread to figure out what he's thinking.

[notscience]

Regardless, he seems town this game, therefore making his lynch a bad one.

I still stand by my SE townread. My Tigris and Spaces townreads as well.

[Brian Skies]

So that leaves me, Drake, and Nom.

Why do you feel Drake is scummy? I feel like he's quite aggressive and he attacks everything. His logic at the end of the day was weird, but it didn't go against what he was thinking for most of the game.

[notscience]

I don't like his stances on montosh or JS. It's giving me a bad taste in my mouth. Nothing he's done makes me think town.

[Brian Skies]

I still stand by my SE townread.

This guy hasn't done anything since your predecessor ripped everything out of his RVS vote except that analysis against Montosh.

[notscience]

I don't know what Ravenpaw was thinking.

But he gives me that newbtown vibe. The newbtown easy lynchbait vibe.

[Brian Skies]

The newbtown easy lynchbait vibe.

That gets completely demotivated once he gets deathtunneled without understanding why. Yeah, I know the type of player you're talking about. Also, I was heavily scum-reading Raven for that push.


@Drake: What do you think about Tigris and Spaces? I don't see a whole lot of thoughts about them in your iso.

[Brian Skies]

But he gives me that newbtown vibe. The newbtown easy lynchbait vibe.

This still doesn't give him a pass for his recent lack of effort. The analysis was pretty good but he somehow manages to stay off the wagon and fly under the radar for the rest of the day.

[notscience]

When you get zergrushed, that kinda gives you the nerves of it happening again.

[Drake Crusader]

The newbtown easy lynchbait vibe.

That gets completely demotivated once he gets deathtunneled without understanding why. Yeah, I know the type of player you're talking about. Also, I was heavily scum-reading Raven for that push.


@Drake: What do you think about Tigris and Spaces? I don't see a whole lot of thoughts about them in your iso.

I felt like I would include what I have about them with the rest of the list. So you can get an idea of where I am coming from. I am trying to be less confusing.

My list as of now :

Town (< 85% sure) -

Spaces

- I kinda view him as a null to town player. He asks questions seems to kinda just float around and idk. He hasn't done really anything that would seem to me like a scum move. He does seem to go from wagon to wagon. But , I would imagine that to be done as a pressure move ? He would appear to be Town if I had to put him in a group. I don't know how I feel about his vote on NotScience. But, NS did just vote himself so I guess anything goes there.

Tigris-

A tough cookie. Appears to be town also. I can't read either. Really just sifts through the info and gives pointers. It gives me something to compare to. Other than that I really can't find something to make her scum. Tigris likes to push for more activity every now and then so I would find that to be a town move. Seems to be open which I gather is another town move. I would have to put Tigris in the town category also.

Null Town (50% - 85%) -

Nominull

- He just pops in and out from time to time and doesn't really help much. However, he does give solid advice and seems to be someone who is Town in the end.

Brian Skies

- Still forming an opinion of you. Since your predecessor was null Town in my list , you get the same read until I can prove otherwise.

Null Scum (25% - 49%) -

JacobSavage

- Hasn't helped , lurked around , defensive , just doesn't seem like the person who would want to help win the game with you. Almost like he doesn't really want to play his role.

NotScience

- I don't even know. He is a ball of question marks wrapped into a cocky , very misleading player. He most recent style matchs Montosh. Maybe he believes that by replicating it he can be avoided since Montosh did it and he turned town. Time will tell.

SecondEngineer

- Just gives me an uneasy feeling when I picture him as a town. Just doesn't help out either like JS. Almost like SE and JS are related. He wants to push all his mistakes on being a newb which I completely understand however, he seems to just post the mistakes and then kinda floats along until he is forced to post again with content or something of that nature.

Scum (0% - 25%) -

Unsure about this slot. I would like to think about JS or SE in this slot. However, with them being prodded and possibly being replaced out I want to see what they or their replacements have to say. NotScience could be considered scum if he continues to just play like he is. However, I kinda view him as a null scum to null town kinda player.

[Spaces]

I'm not suspicious of NS because, as he said, "he pushed a lynch on a townie omigawd."

Five of us lynched a townie, not just NS, so to imply that such is the reason to suspect him is misleading. I suspected Montosh too, but there were also times when I wasn't sure. In fact, I can't be sure about

anyone

until the mod reveals their alignment (barring special roles, of which you'd still know nothing on D1). Only mafia

know

who's who in regards to alignment.

NS acts like he knows everything. It seems like he wrote up a list of what to think about everyone early on and hasn't deviated from that list at all. He hasn't even done any scum hunting this round. And he

says

that he changes his mind about alignments:

Second part was legit. Like, if I have someone I'm repeatedly wrong about I try to read them and then think to myself "hmm you're probs wrong"

But this is exactly what he

doesn't do

. His words aren't matching his actions.

That was the idea. I'd rather get lynched now rather than be quickhammered in lylo thanks to paranoia.

This whole self lynching thing is also convincing me further.

Why

would you rather be lynched now than quickhammered late in the phase? If you're town, and have the town's best interest in mind, then spend this phase examining people, and encourage others to do the same. A town offering themselves to the noose early in the phase does

zero good

for the rest of the town, which is why I'm believing more and more that you're not town at all.

[JacobSavage]

Okay I've beene all kinds of busy recenty and don't really have time at the moment.

I'll get to this in the evening. In the man time if anyone has any IC questions just bold them.

[Nominull]

hahaha, I am

thrilled

with my vote now

[JacobSavage]

How come?

[Nominull]

How come?

That self-vote, didn't you see it? Self-voting is highly suspect under the best of conditions, and in this case he wasn't under enough pressure that it really would make sense for it to be legit frustration. If the best he can come up with to defend himself is this passive-aggressive nonsense, that's a really good sign he's scum.

Seriously, self-voting in that circumstance as town is so pointlessly bad that I'd say either he's scum or he's violating the rule about playing to your wincondition. Town would never even

suspect

that was a good idea, so either he's not town or he's sabotaging the game.

[JacobSavage]

Fair enough. Why would getting zerg rushed make you vote though...

[Brian Skies]

Fair enough. Why would getting zerg rushed make you vote though...

He's referring to SecondEngineer.

[notscience]

he's sabotaging the game.

>utility lynches sabotage town (which is what your initial point to vote me boils down to btw)

[notscience]

I'm not scum, and I admit I am setting a bad example, but this really is the best course of action.

[Spaces]

I'm not scum, and I admit I am setting a bad example, but this really is the best course of action.

Because?

[notscience]

Why?

Because I hardcore tunneled a now confirmed town. So far to the point, that it is an EXTREMELY easy lylo bait. If I make it to lylo, we have no chance at winning the game.

[Nominull]

Why?

Because I hardcore tunneled a now confirmed town. So far to the point, that it is an EXTREMELY easy lylo bait. If I make it to lylo, we have no chance at winning the game.

I could explain the various reasons this is a silly argument, but I don't want to confuse people into thinking we shouldn't lynch you.

Newbies, remember to ask me after the game why notscience's argument here is silly.

[notscience]

I'm not trying to confuse people.

If I was trying to confuse people, I'd drop a bunch of faux-softclaims and then claim VT.

I'm being entirely serious.