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[Remembrance]

Do you have a sight impediment?

Because you missed one of my questions.

[TunnelVision]

Do you have a sight impediment?

Because you missed one of my questions.

Nope. And I didn't miss it... I chose not to respond to it. TOTALLY different.

Who's your strongest read at the moment? Town/Scum... whichever.

- Bauss -

[Remembrance]

Elk is my strongest read. Everyone else I can't swinging back and forth every time I read their post.

[hayatoBL]

That’s a lot of players. I’m used to play in a 9-player setup. This is really something else.

Interactions between RCow, ICE and MME seems to be the main focus. I dislike how RCow gives reasons on why pieguy might be scum, then vote for Ice.

I placed my vote for something else and I realized pie-ice afterwards, but it's good to see I'm not the only one.

What was the something else?

Also - about this pie-ice connection. Are y'all voting him because he voted away from pie immediately following two votes for pie, as a sort of attempt to de-rail that "wagon," or something else? Because if that's the case, given RVS, I don't really see that as suspicious. If I'm missing the point, though, please clarify.

And who the hell is Annie?

Pie claimed three scumreads in the reads list. Two of them were OMGUSes, whatever. I do that in RVS.

One of them wasn't, and was on IceNinja. This suggests a legitimate scumread, which would be the one worthy of a vote, and yet the vote went on to one of the random people

That doesn't add up.

I don’t like this post either.

Pie is his partner btw.

That associative tell was the reason I placed that vote.

@RCow
Why is the vote on Ice but not on Pie, who is according to your theory bussing her scum partner?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

@Ice
Why is Annie(RCow) obvtown?
Live outside US. Post normally around this hour. May vary.

[Mac]

Vote Count 1.03

Sound of Silence [L-6] - Pieguyn,

Mephistopheles [L-5]

- Flameaxe, Remembrance,
HayatoBL -
WBOCampfire1104 -
TunnelVision -
My Milked Eek [L-6] - ICEninja,
RadiantCowbells [L-6] - HayatoBL,
don_johnson -

ICEninja [L-5]

- RadiantCowbells, My Milked Eek,
Flameaxe -
Cedolad -

Remembrance [L-5]

- Mephistopheles, TunnelVision,
Pieguyn [L-6] - Sound of Silence,

Not Voting: WBOCampfire1104, don_johnson, Cedolad,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-01-03 08:48:07) from now.

[Remembrance]

Elk is my strongest read. Everyone else, I keep swinging my reads back and forth every time I read their posts and interpret it differently, wondering whether they are recalling how they're supposed to speak as town as scum, or whether they're generally trying to scum hunt.

For example, FF asked if I was town because she saw my "out of the box thinking" but is it because she's town and looking for that? Or because she knows she would notice that as town, but she's actually scum?

What about Radiant? His second post, is what I would expect from him, but is he trying to remember his intensity as town, as scum? Or is he town?

Elk has an excitement that he recognizes in himself that I think is townie. I choose to believe his eagerness is genuine, and he thinks he messed up by accusing him too early, I don't necessarily think Ice is scum though, so my vote isn't there yet.

Instead I'm voting Mephistopheles. Why do you think that is, Tunnel?

[hayatoBL]

Questions that I would like answered:

@SoS

I don't think of meta as something that requires the same circumstances.

I think of it as insight into how they see themselves and how they approach and interact with others

. You riled yourself up before posting, You let your frustration from the site being down seep into your words and I'm curious as to the motivation behind that.

Agree with the bolded.

Re frustration, I'm pretty annoyed at how many games I need to catch up on today so I can kinda relate.

How can you suddenly have more games to catch up to, when everyone else was experiencing the same downtime?

@Flameaxe

Everyone:

Are you town?

Thanks for your answer. I'll be sitting here until we're done petty bullshit like meta and answers we know the answers to already. We need less of that and more votes on Me Fisto.

I don’t see anything wrong with Mephis. Instead of sitting there, why not elaborate on your reads on Mephis. I'm town.

@MME
It's not that I don't like meta-reads, but it's hard to convince others with meta-reasoning. How am I(or other players) suppose to be convinced of your reads and help you lynch ICE? I haven't played with him. Why not let go of that for now, understand my reasoning for voting MCow and help me push her wagon instead? .

[Sound of Silence]

For example, FF asked if I was town because she saw my "out of the box thinking" but is it because she's town and looking for that? Or because she knows she would notice that as town, but she's actually scum?

That was GiF.

[Sound of Silence]

How can you suddenly have more games to catch up to, when everyone else was experiencing the same downtime?

This question makes no sense to me.

[ICEninja]

I did find a (weak, mind you) parallel. And I found it was more than enough for voting you. It doesn't matter how many words were in that post or how many weren't. There's intent. Want to know one of my few meta reads on you so far? You avoid getting on a wagon early game. You did so last game, you're doing so now.

Funny. Guess what I avoid doing almost every game regardless of alignment: get on a wagon early game. Once in a rare while the mood will strike me, but if you want to actually meta read me you'll notice I like to MAKE my own wagons early game, especially as town.

Secondly, as soon as a wagon (even the slightest hint of) starts while you're on it, you get off the wagon. Take a guess when you took your vote off of SoS (hint: after pie voted her).

Actually guess when I took my vote off a completely useless random vote (hint: after I thought you were probably the most likely player to be scum).

Your post seems to be town motivated scum hunting, though, and not trying to fit scumtells to a player. I'd toss you in my probtown pile for now, since your play right now seems to be looking for redemption from being spanked so soundly last game as town.

Unvote

.

With the exception of post 76, TunnelVision has been posting a lot of distracting fluff. Not liking that. Silence and hayato are both looking pretty decent. I'll give the non-presence players a day of grace period since the site has been down so much, but not longer than that.

I'm getting increasingly pissed about the reliability of this site though. If this is the trend don't expect me to stay in for much longer, just being honest.

[Remembrance]

@SoS I think Hayato means that since no one could connect, the games GiF was in haven't advanced, no one has posted in them. So having frustration that the site was down because he had fallen behind in his other game, makes no sense. I have difficulty understanding that bit of empathy by GiF too. Since I don't think Iceninja is in any other games than this one.

[Sound of Silence]

@SoS I think Hayato means that since no one could connect, the games GiF was in haven't advanced, no one has posted in them. So having frustration that the site was down because he had fallen behind in his other game, makes no sense. I have difficulty understanding that bit of empathy by GiF too. Since I don't think Iceninja is in any other games than this one.

That post was me, not GiF. I'm overloaded with games and haven't been able to stay in-the-moment this week.

[Remembrance]

Sign your posts. I am starting to get embarrassed.

[Sound of Silence]

Well actually you can get behind if
1) you're already behind
2) site goes down whenever you try to catch up
3) site goes up when you can't access and more posts are made
4) by the time you have time to catch up, site is down.

My case, GIF

[Flameaxe]

@Heyato His votes are bad and should feel bad. On that note, be less vapid. Your reasoning for voting RCow isn't all that great either. That tell doesn't exactly make either pie or ice more likely to be scum than the other. I don't disagree with the tell, so I don't have any intention of following you. It just isn't a tell against one or the other, so you jumping on it just seems like you could have jumped on it no matter which way the wagon fell. The washy, its wishy.

@Rememberance: E-E-K.

[don_johnson]

vote: remembrance

seems like the right thing to do...

[WBOCampfire1104]

Hai. First normal game.
VOTE: hayatoBL

YOU.

[don_johnson]

ha. just realized there is 4 pages. you guys are cookin'.

[WBOCampfire1104]

Sorry for being lazy, my computer wouldn't load the website for the LONGEST FRICKEN TIME. I plan to catch up on stuffs soon.

[Mephistopheles]

^ Why did you thank him for that clarification, then unvote? What do you think about Radiant's opinion on Pie and Ice?

It's interesting but not lynch-worthy - there are other explanations for Radiant's point (ones I would rather not point out until Pie has a chance to discuss them). I also figured that since others were pressuring that issue with their votes my vote would be better placed providing pressure elsewhere. You've added input very soon after your original post though, so I'm less suspicious of you right now.

I don't think so.
What made you think that way, just for curiosity? Because I didn't got that feeling.

The vote was for ICE, so I focused on his posts while searching for the tell, not pie's.

Are you town?

Yes.

Why is the vote on Ice but not on Pie, who is according to your theory bussing her scum partner?

I would also like an answer to this question.

[pieguyn]

I feel like walling \o/

Actually, this isn't random.

VOTE: IceNinja

scum

vote: RC

Yeah, I agree.

Unvote. Vote: ICEninja

Who's annie btw? And could we have the hydra sign their posts?

also scum, but would both scum really have done this at the same time? idk @_@

I placed my vote for something else and I realized pie-ice afterwards, but it's good to see I'm not the only one.

never mind probably town

Everyone:

Are you town?

Thanks for your answer. I'll be sitting here until we're done petty bullshit like meta and answers we know the answers to already. We need less of that and more votes on Me Fisto.

explain plz
if not plz tell me how confident you are in this read

@TV:

can you give me your first thoughts on ICE?

ha. just realized there is 4 pages. you guys are cookin'.

are you

I placed my vote for something else and I realized pie-ice afterwards, but it's good to see I'm not the only one.

What was the something else?

Also - about this pie-ice connection. Are y'all voting him because he voted away from pie immediately following two votes for pie, as a sort of attempt to de-rail that "wagon," or something else? Because if that's the case, given RVS, I don't really see that as suspicious. If I'm missing the point, though, please clarify.

And who the hell is Annie?

town

@GIF:

what do you think of my reads list?

Well I've been frustrated at the site being down so much, if that's what you mean.

I'm also suspicious of a player who claims to see parallels between this game and the early part of my last game, without knowing anything at all about my town play.

uuu I hate this
you're actively discrediting him by saying he knows nothing at all about your town play. why would you be doing this? for all you know he could have meta'd you while you weren't looking. I'd think a town player who's getting accused for no reason at all would be a bit more interested in knowing what said read is instead of discrediting 0.0

ha. just realized there is 4 pages. you guys are cookin'.

is your vote serious?

[RadiantCowbells]

That’s a lot of players. I’m used to play in a 9-player setup. This is really something else.

Interactions between RCow, ICE and MME seems to be the main focus. I dislike how RCow gives reasons on why pieguy might be scum, then vote for Ice.

I placed my vote for something else and I realized pie-ice afterwards, but it's good to see I'm not the only one.

What was the something else?

Also - about this pie-ice connection. Are y'all voting him because he voted away from pie immediately following two votes for pie, as a sort of attempt to de-rail that "wagon," or something else? Because if that's the case, given RVS, I don't really see that as suspicious. If I'm missing the point, though, please clarify.

And who the hell is Annie?

Pie claimed three scumreads in the reads list. Two of them were OMGUSes, whatever. I do that in RVS.

One of them wasn't, and was on IceNinja. This suggests a legitimate scumread, which would be the one worthy of a vote, and yet the vote went on to one of the random people

That doesn't add up.

I don’t like this post either.

Pie is his partner btw.

That associative tell was the reason I placed that vote.

@RCow
Why is the vote on Ice but not on Pie, who is according to your theory bussing her scum partner?

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

@Ice
Why is Annie(RCow) obvtown?
Live outside US. Post normally around this hour. May vary.

Pie made a weird associative tell with IceNinja, which is only meaningful if both are scum.

Therefore, I can comfortably vote either.

Voting Pieguyn would put him on alert and make it harder to get tells from him. Voting IceNinja allows me to gauge Pie's reaction without risking him shutting down, which is a common town reaction to D1 pressure.

I feel like walling \o/

Actually, this isn't random.

VOTE: IceNinja

scum

vote: RC

Yeah, I agree.

Unvote. Vote: ICEninja

Who's annie btw? And could we have the hydra sign their posts?

also scum, but would both scum really have done this at the same time? idk @_@

I placed my vote for something else and I realized pie-ice afterwards, but it's good to see I'm not the only one.

never mind probably town

Everyone:

Are you town?

Thanks for your answer. I'll be sitting here until we're done petty bullshit like meta and answers we know the answers to already. We need less of that and more votes on Me Fisto.

explain plz
if not plz tell me how confident you are in this read

@TV:

can you give me your first thoughts on ICE?

ha. just realized there is 4 pages. you guys are cookin'.

are you

I placed my vote for something else and I realized pie-ice afterwards, but it's good to see I'm not the only one.

What was the something else?

Also - about this pie-ice connection. Are y'all voting him because he voted away from pie immediately following two votes for pie, as a sort of attempt to de-rail that "wagon," or something else? Because if that's the case, given RVS, I don't really see that as suspicious. If I'm missing the point, though, please clarify.

And who the hell is Annie?

town

@GIF:

what do you think of my reads list?

Well I've been frustrated at the site being down so much, if that's what you mean.

I'm also suspicious of a player who claims to see parallels between this game and the early part of my last game, without knowing anything at all about my town play.

uuu I hate this
you're actively discrediting him by saying he knows nothing at all about your town play. why would you be doing this? for all you know he could have meta'd you while you weren't looking. I'd think a town player who's getting accused for no reason at all would be a bit more interested in knowing what said read is instead of discrediting 0.0

ha. just realized there is 4 pages. you guys are cookin'.

is your vote serious?

And there you go, absolutely awful reaction.

VOTE: Pieguyn

[RadiantCowbells]

Pie/Ninja are scum together with an unknown third.

[Mephistopheles]

Pie made a weird associative tell with IceNinja, which is only meaningful if both are scum.

Is this associative tell what you pointed out about the scum list? If so, why is that only meaningful if both are scum?

[Remembrance]

@SoS, what do you think about the section where Pieguyn addresses Iceninja?