NY 171: An Education in Telling Jokes (Game Over!)

[tman2nd]

Is Page 41 (where Nikanor's Post 1023 is found) from Day 1?

Yes.

This doesn't make sense, Yates.

I realize that now. I was thinking that was from day 2. Just realized in my response to GC it was still Day 1.

Meh. I still don't like him and don't have a better vote.

Hold on, I still see a problem with that quote. He was giving Zekrom a vig target in bold saying that he knew Gooner was scum, but he wasn't serious? That doesn't seem right. It can't think of a scum motivation for it, though.

[pirate mollie]

what is that crayon creature banging on about

also the city people cut my cable line so my activity will be spotty until it gets fixed

[tman2nd]

Not posting is better than posting garbage.

You say as you post garbage...

[Ythan]

Excuse me but you're tman2nd. Don't lose perspective.

[tman2nd]

Do you think I've been posting garbage?

[Green Crayons]

Is Page 41 (where Nikanor's Post 1023 is found) from Day 1?

Yes.

This doesn't make sense, Yates.

I realize that now. I was thinking that was from day 2. Just realized in my response to GC it was still Day 1.

Meh. I still don't like him and don't have a better vote.

Hold on, I still see a problem with that quote. He was giving Zekrom a vig target in bold saying that he knew Gooner was scum, but he wasn't serious? That doesn't seem right. It can't think of a scum motivation for it, though.

This is an observation that I, too, had. I'm not quite sure why Yates is back peddling and/or doubting his original suspicion.

As an aside, tman2nd has generally voiced opinions that I have held, and therefore I believe him to be town.

[serrapaladin]

Both times, actually, and in your town games, there was significantly less content which was just filler calling people wrong without saying anything about their alignment.

Hogwash. I'm not going to self-meta but I disagree. I also disagree with your assertion that I'm not taking a stand in *this* game. PLUS, you are accusing me, of essentially this, yes?

Also a special scum point for Gooner for this unnecesary theory post. This is an up and coming reliable scum tell for me - easy way for scum to look like they are contributing while not actually taking a position on a person or argument.

So you are trying to claim that I'm scummy for doing something I'm calling a scum tell as if I wouldn't know? Whu? I'm not sure what your game is here, but you aren't making sense. And the fact you should know how to read me by now is more than a little disconcerting.

In rereading you in ISO, my bigger concern at this point is your hedgey [http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p5703842]post 1446[/url] where you tried to pretend you were for a Zek lynch in 1445 then immediately backed out in the span of 19 minutes because... "paranoia?" Explain, please.

Bottom line: I'm voting you or Nik today. I feel more confident in my Nik-scum read because I admit to some confirmation bias on my Serra-scum read but - you know - "paranoia."

Not quite. What bothers me about you are throwaway comments like "What am I even reading? I'm taking a break." in 907, and posts like 1148 where you just describe why someone is wrong and somehow translate that to a potential scumread, without considering scum or town motivation. I know you know that scum don't have a monopoly on being wrong.

As to zek, I initially unvoted just to make sure he wasn't quickhammered, but I also held some reservation about zek being scum just because of cabd's cc.

Explain to me your reasoning about nik and his post from yesterday. Whether or not you've forgotten when nik posted that, what scum motivation would nik have for that post?

I don't want to lynch marquis, but pere's recent posts are making me consider voting there. Also Elyse.

[Yates]

then get the fuck on with it. sooner or later you're going to have to have opinions

I had stronger opinions before the post loss. There's something missing now and I can't remember what I saw. So yeah. I'm a little annoyed. I've also got 3 or 4 people I would vote and there was... something... I didn't like about Nik from a post that got deleted and I just can't remember what it was but that's what really got me onto Nik-scum. So I have an opinion - I just can't substantiate it as well as I want.

[Yates]

Marquis is reading more as frustrated town who is impressed with his Day 1 play and does not understand why others don't see it.

How do you distinguish between that and scum looking for town-cred? Serious question and not facetious.

Whether or not you've forgotten when nik posted that, what scum motivation would nik have for that post?

Initially, I thought I had that marked as him possibly faking a scum result. Seems way less likely to be a faked result if it was day 1. You see where scum have motivation to fake a result had that been D2.

The part that remains *kinda* scummy is the directing a vig thing. It is, however, less scummy since the motivation is just as likely because Cabd was a 2nd scum suspect as because he is scum trying to target town. I still subscribe to the theory that being wrong =/= being scum. Motivation is key.

[Yates]

What bothers me about you are throwaway comments like "What am I even reading? I'm taking a break." in 907, and posts like 1148 where you just describe why someone is wrong and somehow translate that to a potential scumread, without considering scum or town motivation.

I finally see what you are saying. You realize I'm a replacement player, right? 907 was my 1st content post - and I hadn't even finished reading the 900+ posts from before I replaced in. Ditto 1148 - I'm still trying to get caught up at that point. I'm sure I'm missing a bunch of crap but I actually never finished reading day 1. And frankly I'm not going to at this point. *shrug*

[Marquis]

Marquis is reading more as frustrated town who is impressed with his Day 1 play and does not understand why others don't see it.

How do you distinguish between that and scum looking for town-cred? Serious question and not facetious.

hi i am looking for towncred and sheeping my townreads

[Marquis]

I had stronger opinions before the post loss. There's something missing now and I can't remember what I saw. So yeah. I'm a little annoyed.

actually i at least sympathize with this

[Desperado]

RadiantCowbells, evilpacman18, Malakittens, and pisskop were all prodded

[RadiantCowbells]

The thing is I had a heavy scumread outside of UT before the info got erased and now I'm just trying to figure out who it was.

VOTE: UT for now.

[PeregrineV]

The thing is I had a heavy scumread outside of UT before the info got erased and now I'm just trying to figure out who it was.

VOTE: UT for now.

What was your heavy scumread based upon?

[DeathNote]

The thing is I had a heavy scumread outside of UT before the info got erased and now I'm just trying to figure out who it was.

VOTE: UT for now.

Seriously? The five or so pages that we are missing really screwed up your reads that bad?

[RadiantCowbells]

Someone was calling someone else scum in an insanely scummy half-assed way.

Remember anything like that?

[Untrod Tripod]

Someone was calling someone else scum in an insanely scummy half-assed way.

Remember anything like that?

Found it

The thing is I had a heavy scumread outside of UT before the info got erased and now I'm just trying to figure out who it was.

VOTE: UT for now.

[PeregrineV]

Someone was calling someone else scum in an insanely scummy half-assed way.

Remember anything like that?

I meant your UT scumread. I remember nothing that does not exist.

[Elyse]

@serra
You keep mentioning that I might be scum at the end of a sentence like it's an afterthought. It looks to me like you are keeping your options open because you haven't actually provided a reason for me as possible scum.

@Yates
I just get that vibe from Marquis. I don't really know how to explain it. You could certainly be right that he's scum expecting towncred, but him blatantly asking for it makes me think he's just frustrated town because I don't think scum would be that open about it.

@whoever asked for my PerV read
His paranoia of me seems genuine, I've played with him as town and scum and this reminds me of his towngame, and I understand his reads progression and it seems logical.

[pirate mollie]

I am having some connectivity issues hopefully will be resolved in the next couple of days

UNVOTE:

[pisskop]

Prodding hurts. I think Ill dig about tomorrowish.

[Porochaz]

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Im ill atm so my activity is going to be rough(er). Basically, Mala has shown little interest in the game (I know you are ill atm.) but the post quoted at the time really hit me as off. I made a post about it -

I think Zekrom is an easy bait at this point. He's pretty damn new.

Also Marq:

How can you tell the difference between stalling scum and inexperienced players?

Hey min, let us do some scum hunting, alrite?

The fact is he hasn't done much, I want him to place an opinion on something. I am not advocating a wagon on him, I have not put my vote down. That said, those who have done have every right to do so. He is clearly stalling and by nullifying pretty legitimate reasoning with "oh, but he's new, give him a break" is pretty scummy.

See.

Now that he has flipped scum, your post looks extremely awful.

Post 414 as well.

VOTE: Mollie

Serious vote.

You remind me of Shos when he discredited every single one of my crumbs in OGM. Shos was scum;therefore you are scum by default.

Also;

I think I'm down for a Zek lynch, but not voting because not many people have posted and I don't want a quick lynch to end this day off, tbh.

Is your next post I find offensive, the half hearted defence throughout the day is gone and suddenly "SCUMREAD... but I don't want to vote..."

Then there is still the fluff posting etc.

vote malakittens

Found scum here guys. Please vote accordingly.

[Porochaz]

I will read the last 10/20 pages or so at some point, but lets be honest here. Now that I have found certain scum, we should probably just lynch it.

[evilpacman18]

Got the prof. I'll be in tomorrow for sure, it's spring break so I think I have time for this now