Mini 1536 - Silph Co. Reverse Mafia (Game Over)

[Bulbazak]

In that case bulba, its auto lose for town

We could end up with a prisoner's dilemma.

The way you're continuing about being autolose for town while there is a slim possibly it's not (as the mafia would know Whiskers has claimed third party), makes me think you just want more apathy and my townread on you is dodgy.

But for town to still win without resulting in a prisoner's dilemma. (or worse a king maker)
scum lynch today
whiskers to kill scum tonight. (we assume mafia decide not to kill whiskers while there are 2 members alive, so one townie dies)
We are now at 3:1:1 - lynch mafia/sk, preferably mafia as if it was wrong, the PA still comes in.
SK kills town
We lynch SK = town win.

This is incorrect in the most likely case of 3 mafia.
It's creepy that you are assuming two.

There are 3 there. 1 lynched today, 1 killed by the SK during the night, and 1 lynched tomorrow.

[TierShift]

Oh nvm
Reading is hard.

Bulbie what are your thoughts

[Bulbazak]

Bulbie what are your thoughts

Whiskers knows who he killed, and thus, who is scum. I figure sheeping him will prevent a mislynch. I also think Cxin is scum, due to the fact that he tried to shoot down sure fired reasoning for lynching scum.

[TierShift]

That's the shittiest reason to write someone off.

But yeah, let whiskers and our conftown dry come in.

[Bulbazak]

As I've stated multiple times, Whiskers will be playing to her wincon when voting, which means that she will correctly vote scum. Cxin says that following Whiskers would result in an auto loss for town, which it has been shown is false. He's relying on an Appeal to Fear to try to steer others from the correct course of action and toward acting hastily, which would likely result in a mislynch and a town loss. There is no town motivation for that, only scum. Ergo, Cxin is scum, along with whoever of Tier/Aj is scum.

[TierShift]

Do you believe that crap yourself?
This is worse than the way you were pushing for my lynch yesterday

Ergo, Cxin is scum, along with whoever of Tier/Aj is scum.

You're forgetting the third scum, is that yourself?

A/b/c scumteam sounds good here

[Cheery Dog]

In that case bulba, its auto lose for town

We could end up with a prisoner's dilemma.

The way you're continuing about being autolose for town while there is a slim possibly it's not (as the mafia would know Whiskers has claimed third party), makes me think you just want more apathy and my townread on you is dodgy.

But for town to still win without resulting in a prisoner's dilemma. (or worse a king maker)

scum lynch

today

whiskers to kill scum

tonight. (we assume mafia decide not to kill whiskers while there are 2 members alive, so one townie dies)
We are now at 3:1:1 -

lynch mafia

/sk, preferably mafia as if it was wrong, the PA still comes in.
SK kills town
We lynch SK = town win.

This is incorrect in the most likely case of 3 mafia.
It's creepy that you are assuming two.

Come again? I may have switched between calling them scum/mafia, but I am very capable of counting to 3.

[TierShift]

Ok cheery do you have opinions here

Your one big opinion died

[Cheery Dog]

Ok cheery do you have opinions here

Your one big opinion died

I have stated other opinions other than my one that turned out to be wrong with pasch.

Right now it's at least one of you and AJ are scum, I'm more prone to think it's you as your lack of use of the role night 2 still feels lacking.
(I'm also regretting missing the deadline by less than 5 minutes)

[Kenobi]

I'm really not liking Tier's behaviour here. There's a distinct difference between scumhunting and being deliberately argumentative, and this is crossing into the latter.

[TierShift]

Ok nvm this let's not go 1v1 with AJ

I'm a serial killer.

Claiming a scum role feels glorious.

[cxinlee]

Oh my gosh

Isn't it auto lose for you then Tier?

I miscalced/misread bulbas post.

Bulba's read seems poor (Very quick to call me out despite the possibility that I missed something)

[TierShift]

VOTE: bulba

It should be very obvious that there is at least one scum on my wagon and I'm back to leaning bulba. Or bulba+AJ.

[Whiskers]

I watched pasch and aj was the only one to go there.

My role is apparent to all.

Eh need to think before I vote.

Why immediately go for Aj? I'd like to see reasons before a vote, especially at this stage in the game.

Have you not read the end of day 2? Or his post?

Um, what?

I'm not understanding any of this: aj was the only one to go

where

? wtf are you talking about? Your openin post today sounds like you tracked aj, btw, and what is that about?

Your role ...is apparent to all? What? I'm not so fucking sure, considering last I recall, you've not talked about you or your role at

all

this game. Why is your role apparent? And if you're willing to divulge,

what

is it?

What about Day 2, or his post? What's going on?

[Whiskers]

Guys do you think AJ can be SK who shot pasch? Just doesn't make sense to me.

Assuming you're watcher, whiskers is sk and aj is mafia

I'm still having a non-SK feel from whiskers.

BTW, this is a mafia conversation. These two players are mafia, I'm banking on it.

[Whiskers]

As I've stated multiple times, Whiskers will be playing to her wincon when voting, which means that she will correctly vote scum. Cxin says that following Whiskers would result in an auto loss for town, which it has been shown is false. He's relying on an Appeal to Fear to try to steer others from the correct course of action and toward acting hastily, which would likely result in a mislynch and a town loss. There is no town motivation for that, only scum. Ergo, Cxin is scum, along with whoever of Tier/Aj is scum.

Oh, cool, I even have support.

Yeah, die.

Vote: Tiershift

It's kind of nice having the backup mod step in. After that bullshit nolynch due to rules that "make players pay attention more" I was itching for day to start so I could make a big fucking scene and publicly denounce Espy. But instead, we have a backup mod, which means the game continues. It's nice.

[Whiskers]

Unvote

Just finished reading the, like, last two posts.

[Whiskers]

So here's my question:
Does the lynch go to Bulbazak, or cx?

cx is the obvious choice, but then, Bulbazak is so manipulative. I was going to mention the kill list, but it's pretty universally good-- RainbowDash and Pasche. I could make the argument that only a competent player (say, Bulba or Cheery, not sure about the rest of 'em) would make those kills. But it'd be a really, really weak argument.


I'm also uncomfortable with the fact that Dry-Fit has done nothing to warrant a nightkill, with his "conf-town" status. He's conf-town. He should have been murdered ages ago. He's not posting. He's not doing

anything

. It's worrying me.

[Bulbazak]

Do you believe that crap yourself?

My logic is pretty sound and is the only way I can see to ensure a guaranteed scum lynch. What do you find problematic about the logic?

This is worse than the way you were pushing for my lynch yesterday

How so? It looks like I hit the nail right on the head.

Ergo, Cxin is scum, along with whoever of Tier/Aj is scum.

You're forgetting the third scum, is that yourself?

I haven't figured out who the third scum is yet. I figured lynch the two we know and then use PoE to find the last one.

Ok nvm this let's not go 1v1 with AJ

I'm a serial killer.

Claiming a scum role feels glorious.

I miscalced/misread bulbas post.

Bulba's read seems poor (Very quick to call me out despite the possibility that I missed something)

I don't see how you could misread my post. I was pretty clear in regards to my logic. So do you want to pass by me again why you think following the claimed 3rd party to find scum and avoid a mislynch will lead to an auto town loss?

VOTE: bulba

It should be very obvious that there is at least one scum on my wagon and I'm back to leaning bulba. Or bulba+AJ.

So you're a claimed anti-town (scum) role, which means that we were right about you yesterday when we wagoned you. Why does that automatically mean that scum were pushing you, especially when it shows that we were right in pushing you? Your logic does not compute.

We really need to lynch between Tier/Cxin/Whiskers today in order to hit scum. I really doubt that there are 2 3rd party roles in this game, following Occam's Razor, and as such, one of Tier/Whiskers is mafia. I'm personally leaning Tier, since his interactions with Cxin, and Cxin's defence of Tier look like team interactions. It also doesn't make sense that Tier as SK would 1v1 somebody in Mylo, since that would mean that if he was wrong, he'd automatically lose. However, it's perfect to claim a false guilty as mafia, since a lynch would end in a win. However, since it is Mylo, I feel it is not best to lynch between Tier and Whiskers today. Instead, we should lynch Cxin and hope that the issue sorts itself out during the night via crosskills.

Vote Cxinlee

Whiskers, listen to your heart.

[Whiskers]

So you're a claimed anti-town (scum) role, which means that we were right about you yesterday when we wagoned you. Why does that automatically mean that scum were pushing you, especially when it shows that we were right in pushing you? Your logic does not compute.

We really need to lynch between Tier/Cxin/Whiskers today in order to hit scum. I really doubt that there are 2 3rd party roles in this game, following Occam's Razor, and as such, one of Tier/Whiskers is mafia. I'm personally leaning Tier, since his interactions with Cxin, and Cxin's defence of Tier look like team interactions. It also doesn't make sense that Tier as SK would 1v1 somebody in Mylo, since that would mean that if he was wrong, he'd automatically lose. However, it's perfect to claim a false guilty as mafia, since a lynch would end in a win. However, since it is Mylo, I feel it is not best to lynch between Tier and Whiskers today. Instead, we should lynch Cxin and hope that the issue sorts itself out during the night via crosskills.

Vote Cxinlee

Whiskers, listen to your heart.

Actually, I like this. I'm only worried about if Tiershift actually

is

an SK, in which case he and CX aren't partners (obviously). But, why the "team interaction earlier?"

Actually, to their credit, if they were both mafia, why would they be doing that "team interaction" in the first place? They just came from a long Night, presumably with nighttalk open. They wouldn't need to talk about what roles they were, or what roles the thought

Whiskers

was, in the thread-- they would have had plenty of time to hammer it out.

Tiershift, who did you kill, and why? I'm assuming I know, (and that maybe you've even answered this directly, already, and I just missed it,) but I want to make sure I get it.

[TierShift]

Whiskers fullclaim please

Bulba do you think whiskers is not scum?

I'm also uncomfortable with the fact that Dry-Fit has done nothing to warrant a nightkill, with his "conf-town" status. He's conf-town. He should have been murdered ages ago. He's not posting. He's not doing anything. It's worrying me

How's it worrying? Mostly just plainly annoying.

[Whiskers]

Btw, Bulbazak, how would TierSK "automatically lose" if he 1v1'd somebody and "was wrong"? Doesn't an SK want to lynch town today, avoid crosskills, and coast to endgame with the mafia?

[Whiskers]

I'm also uncomfortable with the fact that Dry-Fit has done nothing to warrant a nightkill, with his "conf-town" status. He's conf-town. He should have been murdered ages ago. He's not posting. He's not doing anything. It's worrying me

How's it worrying? Mostly just plainly annoying.

Because the only thing we have to go on is his own word, that he's "conftown." That, and the reputation of the Mason role of usually coming in groups.
...Eh, I guess I remember someone saying that he was kind defending Empking Day 1? Or something?

[TierShift]

Btw, Bulbazak, how would TierSK "automatically lose" if he 1v1'd somebody and "was wrong"? Doesn't an SK want to lynch town today, avoid crosskills, and coast to endgame with the mafia?

You realize mafia will kill me if there's a town lynch right right

[TierShift]

Dry is town, plain and simple, don't be weird.

I doubt we have 2 3rd party roles here so I need you to claim.