Open 552 - Hope Plus One (GAME OVER) Town wins
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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Because me claiming may not be the most pro-town thing to do right now.In post 1275, Sakura Hana wrote:If you're scared of scum QHing you why not start claiming then?
Sakura, you're not making sense. Why would you comment on me being possibly quick lynched (and not taking your vote off on top of it), but not on the appearing contradiction I pointed out in your logic? Do you even think I'm scum, or are you voting me because it's easy?-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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Lemniscate Goon
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This is the very AtF I stated would happen before, like if they lynch me right now, they have something to fear being quick lynched tomorrow. You're not going to quick lynch tomorrow based off of a bad hammer today and risk putting yourselves in Ly-Lo all due to a hammer; That's bad town play. I already explained that though, so it's making me upset that you don't appear to be reading my posts.In post 1277, Sakura Hana wrote:I think you're scum obviously. And i have no issue with scum QHing you if they want to make themselves be that obvious as there's only 1 left, if you're scared then go ahead and claim.-
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uctriton00 Mafia Scum
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btw if Lemniscate claims anything other than doctor we're lynching her.
If lemniscate doesn't claim, we're lynching her.
At this point is obvious that lemniscate is either Doctor or scum preparing up a fake claim. And if i can see that, scum certainly can see it too.I bloom in spring?
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Zephyrus Goon
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Possible doc?In post 1276, Lemniscate wrote:
Because me claiming may not be the most pro-town thing to do right now.In post 1275, Sakura Hana wrote:If you're scared of scum QHing you why not start claiming then?-
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Dr Pants Mafia Scum
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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Baezu Mafia Scum
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(L-1)Lemniscate: (3) Dr Pants, Zephyrus, Sakura Hana
Dr Pants: (1) BoroPhil
Not Voting: uctriton00, Lemniscate, Lia
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2014-05-09 16:30:00)
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yeah the doc should certainly claim before lylo as a counter claim would be impossible and they would be conftown. If it is Lem, and they are claiming, then it's pretty certain they are the last doc.
If Lem is the doc, also at L-1, and a pretty easy mislynch, good chance scum is Pants or Zeph?
I'm telling you - it's Pants.-
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Sakura Hana She/HerSurvivorShe/Her
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My guess is that she isn't claiming because she's the last scum and as I said a VT claim means she dies and a doc claim means we autowin if she's scum, her posts towards me look like scum caught for the wrong reasons, but if i am wrong and she's the real doc i have no problem lynching Pants.I bloom in spring?
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BoroPhil Mafia Scum
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uctriton00 Mafia Scum
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uctriton00 Mafia Scum
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Review of Uctriton:
Day 1he said nothing about any of the other players, his only content being a game plan that had no chance of working.
Day 2
No content for the first 3 days.
339 Says he personally didn't get any kind of alignment tell out of Neil's pre-flip post but thought it was suspicious enough to have a wagon put on him and was "worthy of conversation". If it was a null tell why was it suspicious? And why encourage talk about it?
This was the post that first made me suspect triton. He is claiming that Beli told Neil to "move to Tricks", with the effect of pushing the other docs off him, when Beli was saying quite the opposite. He was insisting that if he protected Neil he should stayIn post 829, uctriton00 wrote:There's something in Beli's ISO where he is urging Neil to protect the cop.
Let's ditch aside the doctor-stay, doctor-switch theory for a second, and look at what Beli is saying. Beli says
There's a difference. There's, "neil do the same thing you've been doing", and then there's "neil, put it on tricks". Everyone (except Sakura) is urging that nobody switch their night actions. However, Beli isn'tIn post 741, Belisarius wrote:Neil, this means if you're not fakeclaiming and you protected Tricks last night, you can sing to the heavens how you're not going to protect him, but do it anyways. If Tricks dies tonight, I'm blaming you.exactlysaying that. Here he's saying, "neil, move to Tricks" which means "other doc, move to someone else".
If neil is fake scum doc, this means Beli has effectively *pushed* the other docs off of Trickster, leaving him open for a kill.onhim. Telling him not to switch. If you read the rest of 741, you will see Beli is very clear that he doesnotwant the docs to switch. Triton doesn't vote Beli at this point but the misrep leads Trickster to vote that way.
In view of the above I didn't like the wording of 854.
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This is a poor reason for clearing someone as town and it feels like buddying. As did 906. The post he highlighted there was nothing special.In post 1141, uctriton00 wrote:Was it Lia? who said my drive against Beli is bad? If so I think Lia is cleared as town as I feel pretty damn bad for doubting Beli's claim.
How could a replacement explain that? And wasn't Trickster more or less confirmed as town by then?In post 1181, uctriton00 wrote:1. The disagreeing with Trick's plan, well, KB/Beli disagreed too, so I'm null on using that as a read. Although there is a part where Shadi does say Trick is town. Whoever replaces Shadi is going to have to figure out how to explain that one.
All this has to be balanced against his consistent push on Moonlight so I'm putting him under Zeph on the list; Shadi/Lem still being at the top.-
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I can answer most of these
I didn't get an alignment tell out of it first because my gut reaction was damn, a speed lynch was probably bad times and scum driven. But as other people pointed out, how can someone know absolutely for sure that it was a mislynch? So that was something to think about, and we should see what was up behind that. That's my logic there.
Second thing you're talking about, was the whole craphat that happened that day. This is the timeline I saw:
1. Neil = I'm doc, I'm not protecting Trickster
2. Beli = Neil, put it on Trickster.
I was coming from a Neil scum prospective. Neil's statement pushed the doctors both onto Trickster, creating a collision. Beli then says no, you put it on Trickster. With scum neil, that means both doctors are off of Trickster, and Trickster is open. I came up with the logic in my head that, well damn, could Beli be a Neil scum teammate?
I get what you're saying that town Beli could be encouraging Neil to repeat the Day 1 action which is the pro-town part, but I was coming from the scum Neil perspective, which ruined my view on Beli and making him scum. There's holes in that logic but that's where I came from.
I also didn't like the ATE. I'm used to using ATE to plead and fight from my position and attack others, but I saw Beli being very pedantic and it upset me, and because it was me thinking Beli was scum, I voted him. I shouldn't use ATE reads as much anymore, but I was honestly disturbed at the pedanticness. "Be a town leader!" doesn't apply in mafia when we're nowhere near a lock-game scenario at that point.
Honest to goodness I have put no work into reading you really and all I got from scrolling through your ISO was that you're pointing the finger at me. I'd expect scum to buddy me for a bad read, but you question my bad read. It's a coin flip in my head if you're town attacking town or you're scum buddying someone who blew a read, so I went with the former. I should really put more work into your ISO but I just end up scrolling past half-heartedly and not seeing anything suspicious mostly because nobody else suspects you, and because I think we are good with Shadi/Lem and Dr Pants.
Saying "whoever replaces shadi will have to explain" is dumb because I never re-read my predecessors so I take that back. There are others who re-read predecessors but I don't because there's no point IMO.-
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